Byakuya Kuchiki VS. Kakashi Hatake (9-11-1, Grace Period)

[HST_Master]

1. Drop the condensation

2. Again you show little evidence that Byakuya can't keep Bankai on Kakashi until the 5 mins are up or that there'sanything to stop him from moving it.

3. That's only when he phases his entire body, since his entire body is inside the Kamui dimension instead of his head or torso and since he'd be being pelted with Senbonzakura constantly he can't do jack


You're blantantly ignoring Kamui's mechanics to curve the argument

So prove

A. Byakuya can't keep Senbonzakura on Kakashi while avoiding him (And he has Shunpo to boot)

B. Kakashi can attack while using Kamui Full Body

C. Prove how Kamui Shurikens in one direction counters a continuous assault from all sides

 

[AstralKing7]

you literally dont know aynthing about Kakashi's abilities. IT doesnt matter if Byakuya can keep attacking after 5mins because he can be one shotted during those 5mins lol. The fact that Obito had six paths chakra most likely gave him the ability to phase his entier body while attacking since he couldnt do it before. Kamui shurikens arent really needed but kakashi can use them in anyway even at close range if needed so a counter is useless if Kakashi doesnt use the attack. If Byakuya has shunpo then Kakashi has shunshin so it doesnt even matter. Kakashi can warp Byakyua's head off while keeping a safe distance

 

[HST_Master]

Oh and this




In no way can he attack or touch someone with a Body part in Kamui

 

[AstralKing7]

yeah at this point you arent even reading the thread. I said he didnt have the ability to attack while his body parts were in the dimension before obtaining Six paths chakra. You wasted your time finding those scans bruh

 

[HST_Master]

Not only is that headcanon but I just refreshed the thread



Oh amd turns out his Susano'o can't turn intangible which is even worse

And they've never attacked while fully phased

 

[HST_Master]

you literally dont know aynthing about Kakashi's abilities. IT doesnt matter if Byakuya can keep attacking after 5mins because he can be one shotted during those 5mins lol. The fact that Obito had six paths chakra most likely gave him the ability to phase his entier body while attacking since he couldnt do it before. Kamui shurikens arent really needed but kakashi can use them in anyway even at close range if needed so a counter is useless if Kakashi doesnt use the attack. If Byakuya has shunpo then Kakashi has shunshin so it doesnt even matter. Kakashi can warp Byakyua's head off while keeping a safe distance

And now you're not elaborating on how Kakashi is gonna Kamui Gokei as a whole or how he's gonna see or get to Byakuya to Kamui him and to note that Kamui can be dodged (Like Deidara and b4 "didn't dodge it" Kakashi meant to Kamui his whole body)

 

[AstralKing7]

dude we dont even know if Obito didnt phase his whole body but it should be safe to assume he did because he didnt have the ability at all before to use kamui with the ten tails but now he can with only six paths chakra. SPC made obitos and kakashi's abilities better. I didnt say sasunno could phase but he can fly and warp instead of phasing through the blades instead of just phasing like obito does all the time.

 

[HST_Master]

He didn't phase his whole body, not only would he have no need to nor would it be in character to phase his whole body unless it was a wide AoE attack and his hand is still in Madara. Susano'o can't turn intangible, so how can it warp? And also no showing that Six Paths chakra enhanced their Kamui, the most Kakashi has shown is an Six Paths augmented Raikiri

 

[Rocker1189]

He can not negate Kamui he does not know it's weakness wtf ate you talking about. DMS Kakashi can attack while phasing as well. It is impossible to touch him while he is in Kamui since he body gets phased somewhere else upon contact with attacks. Face it there is no way for byakuya to touch him. He does not require susasnoo in this fight. His attack negate durability anyway and he has no need for durability since byakuya can not touch him. Face it byakuya has no way to harm him.

 

[Rocker1189]

You prove. 1. Byakuya knows it's weakness.

2. Byakuya would keep his bankai on him for 5 mins.

3. Byakuya would even go bankai immediately before getting his head warped off.

Oh also Kakashi can just warp all of byakuya etals onto Kamui anyway. Without getting hurt since they are not explosive.

 

[Rocker1189]

Also fyi the entire verse is gonna be getting soul manipulation, in other words a way for Byakuya to kill Kakashi

That does not help him harm Kakashi since Kakashi body is not there anyway his intangibility is selective densional travel of his body. Would manipulation upon touch does nothing there. All flvotes for byakuya are invalid since he literally can not touch kakshi.

 

[HST_Master]

He can not negate Kamui he does not know it's weakness wtf ate you talking about. DMS Kakashi can attack while phasing as well. It is impossible to touch him while he is in Kamui since he body gets phased somewhere else upon contact with attacks. Face it there is no way for byakuya to touch him. He does not require susasnoo in this fight. His attack negate durability anyway and he has no need for durability since byakuya can not touch him. Face it byakuya has no way to harm him.

A. Byakuya is just as good a tactician, he was able to notice Ichigo, Zommari's, Renji's, and As Nodt's weaknesses in a matter of moments of them releasing their abilities as soon as Kakashi starts phasing through the barrage or even tries to launch an attack he'll have to materialize

B. Byakuya's Bankai is literally a dome of Senbonzakura blades that can barrage the opponent

C. 6-B Byakuya is in Bankai

And Again Rocker, Kakashi isn't warping away bankai because it's all around him if he warps away some, more will take it's place

None of the votes are invalid, you just don't bother reading the reasons

So please you say I'm BSing but this still hasn't been proved

A. Kakashi can warp away ALL of Senbonzakura Kageyoshi

B. Kakashi can warp away Byakuya even tho he's outside the dome

C. Prove that he can't pummel him for five minutes

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Honestly, I'm just sitting here wondering how Byakuya is going to touch Kakashi. He could attack continuously, but he doesn't know to do so for five minutes straight without letting up at all in any manner, or granting Kakashi even the tiniest bit of reprieve.

Assuming Susano'o is activated, it'd obviously be able to take some of Byakuya's attacks, and if it's cracked or destroyed, Kakashi can simply phase out and teleport into Byakuya's face or behind him with a Kamui variant in hand. Add into the mix the fact that Susano'o would be able to deflect the variation of Senbonzakura that has Byakuya attacking with a lump of blades, and that Kakashi was able to use Kamui after Minato's Rasengan connected with him, Byakuya's chances further decrease. Kido normally brings versatility to the table, but it's useless as it's never going to actually touch Kakashi.

Not sure if I understand the discussion about Kakashi's Mangekyō above, but it's wrong to say Kakashi has any problem using it. People love to use other Mangekyō users as a precedent, but it's obviously not the same for Kakashi. Using Tsukuyomi once was enough to irritate Itachi's eyes, and using Amaterasu and basic versions of Susano'o place an immense burden on their eyes and body, and cause obviously cause them to bleed and get deteriorated eyesight. But did we see anything like that from Kakashi while he still had Obito's chakra?

Furthermore, they can only use things like Ribcage Susano'o, Humanoid Susano'o, etc. Even EMS Sasuke and Edo Itachi couldn't manifest a Perfect Susano'o. But what did Kakashi use like it was nothing?

The fact is that Kakashi should have felt the burden if he used Kamui twice at least or be unable to manifest a Perfect Susano'o if his situation was similar to Sasuke and Itachi's.

Also yeah, there was already a thread for the destruction of ghosts, spirits, and souls. Affecting them outside of a normal body =/= affecting them inside of a normal body.

Voting for Kakashi by the way.

 

[HST_Master]

So tell me how he's warping an attack from all sides?

And I've already debunked the "attack while phasing thing"

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Kakashi obviously cannot warp all of that.

 

[Mindovin]

DMS Kakashi has Six Paths Chakra, this is the reason he can manifest PS with only double MS.

 

[HST_Master]

You ninja'd me burning >.>

anyway the above was saying that Obito and Kakashi could connect attacks while fully phased into the Kamui world which contradicts Kamui as a whole nothing about using Susano'o

And like I've said earlier, Byakuya is just as good a tactician, as soon as he notices Kakashi has to manifest to attack, he'll start the spam. Kamui teleportation is noticably predictable in it's startup and landing so Kakashi isn't going to be able to Warp behind him so easily

 

[Rocker1189]

He does not need to warp behind him. Just approach under the cover of Kamui, create clones for distraction and one shot with Kamui chidori combo is an instant kill.

 

[HST_Master]

A. "Approach under the cover of kamui" So now Kamui makes him invisible? Byakuya can still see him and like I said, once he realizes how Kamui phasing works he can pummel him with Ikkasen Jinka

B. Byakuya fought Zommari who could make clones with Sonido, it's nothing new to him

C. This widely assuming Byakuya doesn't pull a book outta Naruto and use Cicada Shell to avoid it.

 

[HST_Master]

And again Byakuya fights in the air, the only way for Kakashi to get to him for Close Quarters is warping

 

[Rocker1189]

And again Byakuya fights in the air, the only way for Kakashi to get to him for Close Quarters is warping

Kakshi can fly with susasnoo or simply use Kamui to warp his head out. And since when did byakuya use a cicada shell in character? And by undercover I mean using the intangibility that byakuya can not work around.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Ikkasen Jinka is not actually useful for anything. He sends hundreds to thousands of blades and what happens? It doesn't stop Kakashi from becoming intangible. Kakashi can simply teleport out of its area of coverage. Remember Byakuya and the others near him were safe from the blades. Kakashi could just teleport to safety. Obito can teleport very large distances with Kamui, Kakashi doesn't even need to teleport somewhere in their immediate vicinity to avoid the blades.

Byakuya wouldn't know what happens once Kakashi enters his dimension and reappears close to him. He can't be sensed once he's in the dimension, and just like Naruto couldn't react in time when Obito entered his dimension and reappeared behind him, Kaguya couldn't react once Kakashi did the same and materialized in her face.

Utsusemi is just moving at high speeds. No different from me saying Kakashi pulls a Kawarimi on Byakuya.

 

[AstralKing7]

kakashi in character would use a lightning clone and lighting beast from a distance to distract him while highly using kamui to attack without him noticing him. He can do this from teleporting behind him, from warping underground, or from appearing out in front or even from the air while Byakuya is busy with the lightning clones and lightning beast at the same time he would most likely think Kakashi could only make one clone but instead another Kakashi would be waiting for the perfect chance to finish him off with a one shot

 

[HST_Master]

Kakashi has to materialize in order to warp, he can't warp due to Ikkasen Jinka just like Obito was unable to warp out of Konan's tandem paper bombs and was forced to use Izanagi because he would have to materialize 1st. Another instance is inside the Tailed Beast Ball with Naruto.


Kakashi was falling out of his Susano'o towards Kaguya, he didn't warp to her.

But unlike Kawarimi which requires something to switch with like a piece of rubble, Utsusemi only requires a piece of clothing.

@Rocker

The Zommari fight he glady used Utsusemi to avoid getting cornered by Zommari's Sonido Clones and Kakashi's Raikiri doesn't ignore dura, he had used Kamui to avoid the ash killing bones Kaguya fired at him.

 

[AstralKing7]

kakashi not warping to Kaguya really doesnt matter tho. Lol nope kakashi doesnt have to materialize when warping. I just went and saw Obito vs danzo's team and obito warped his whole body so Torune could pass right through it and did the same with Foo. When they use the warping ability your still able to see their body but you cant touch it. Proven when obito uses it on one part of his body but we can still see it, he can use it on his whole body to warp while not being solid

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

@Hst

I was trying to mention two things actually. Either Kakashi becomes intangible, or he teleports out of the area of effect entirely. I didn't mean both of them simultaneously.

Oh. I always thought he warped to her location there. Lol.

Pieces of rubble are always going to be around. In fact, there's no way Byakuya's attacks won't create rubble.

 

[Rocker1189]

Also Obito has dealt with attacks exactly like byakuya when he fought Konan and he was perfectly able to absorb her paper attacks.

 

[HST_Master]

kakashi not warping to Kaguya really doesnt matter tho. Lol nope kakashi doesnt have to materialize when warping. I just went and saw Obito vs danzo's team and obito warped his whole body so Torune could pass right through it and did the same with Foo. When they use the warping ability your still able to see their body but you cant touch it. Proven when obito uses it on one part of his body but we can still see it, he can use it on his whole body to warp while not being solid

He didn't Warp away from Aburame he made his torso intangible to make his hand touch Yamanaka

Warping is when they teleport and create those distortions

And again Byakuya. Is. In. The. Air.

Lightning Clones aren't doing much

Lightning Beast Running Jutsu ain't doing much

Lightning Transmission isn't doing anything

Pakkun and The Ninja Hounds aren't doing anything

The only way for Kakashi to him is Susano'o and Kamui Teleportation

 

[AstralKing7]

bruh thats how i know you havent been watching naruto. Foos whole body went righit through obito and Torunes whole body went through Obito because of gravity. Obito warped his body into his dimensions. This is naruto verse logic. Its already been explained in the anime and manga that obito can warp his body but it can still be seen. What arent you understanding or are you downplaying

 

[Rocker1189]

And there is no way for byakuya to win on the other hand because of Kamui...

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

As for Pakkun and his guys, they won't be of much help. But Byakuya doesn't fight in the air most times, from what I remember.

 

[HST_Master]

Again cut the condensation and quit accusing me of downplay

He isn't Warping. He became Intangible to let Aburame to pass through. In no way shape or form did he warp.

 

[Rocker1189]

That is what he means by warp it really does not matter what you call it....

 

[HST_Master]

Also Obito has dealt with attacks exactly like byakuya when he fought Konan and he was perfectly able to absorb her paper attacks.

He didn't absorb her orb of tandem paper bombs, he used Izanagi because he could not Warp out of it nor become Intangible

 

[Rocker1189]

Also lightning vclones work perfectly fine as distractions make one use Susanoo and look like a huge target, warp in and instantly kill the target,

 

[Rocker1189]

He didn't absorb her orb of tandem paper bombs, he used Izanagi because he could not Warp out of it nor become Intangible

Wrong at first she was firing a wh9ole bunch of paper at him and around him, and he was absorbing it all until she blew them up. This was before she opened the river.

 

[HST_Master]

 

[Rocker1189]

 

[AstralKing7]

600B isnt that way more than Byakuyas swords??? Also you went to the last pages of the chapters but Obito has been seen absorbing lots of objects at the same time in that fight before last pages

 

[Rocker1189]

How could you copy all that and forget the very start of the fight.