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British Spy vs. French Spy

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CinnabarManx421

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The Spy has been ordered to steal Intelligence from the 00 Agency. Bond has caught wind of this, and sets out to stop whoever the thief is. Spy knows someone's gonna try to stop him, but doesn't know who.

-Both have access to everything they've ever had

-Speed =

-No prior knowledge of each other

-Battle takes place in a populated city, they start at the opposite ends and have to find each other

Bond: (0 votes)

Spy: (7 votes, Jacky, Cracker, Schwxnz, Junko, Christian, Torli, Overlord)

Incon: (5 votes, Arsenal, Totally, Stalker, Steven, Neo)

Bond
The name's Bond. James Bond.

Spy
"You died as you lived: running away!"
 
Really cool idea.

I can see both winning so I'll give it some thought and come back. If this was a strict one v one I'd say Spy but in this scenario it changes things.
 
Ok so here's my conclusion

It's a draw/inconclusive

It basically comes down to who finds who first. If spy finds James I'm sure Bond would eventually become aware but before he can do anything I think it's more likely he gets hit and eventually beaten. If James finds spy first I think he wins. Even if Spy has invisibility, so does Bond and once Bond finds him, thermovision will always keep track of Spy even if he goes invisible himself. Bond will try normal tactics, sees that they fail and then go to either blast Spy with rockets and such which after heaps would eventually kill (unlikely) or he puts him to sleep with tranquilisers or electrocute him which are far more likely given the scenario.

Which do I believe is more likely to happen? I think Bond is slightly better at stealth but not enough to completely say he's methods will slightly work more than spys

All in all, an amazing match you should be proud of yourself. I'm going with inconclusive
 
Wow, even after like 800 years of fighting Britain and France still can't decide who wins ovo. Vote counted.
 
I'm currently trying to remember how the Spy's invisibility works and what can get past it. I also don't know what stops spy's disguise kit from just leaving Bond in the dark the whole time.

Or his Dead Ringer from just making Bond think he's dead until he comes in for the killing blow
 
I mean, thermovision counters all of that. When Bond's enemies die they lose their heat signatures and even if he's invisible he can be seen. Plus I don't think a few disguises will outsmart a guy like Bond tbh
 
Even if they're so expertly crafted that even close allies can't tell the difference?

Would Bond immediately just...turn on his thermal vision? He has no way of knowing that the Dead Ringer activates, just that the spy is dead
 
He turns it on when he's looking for someone or thinks someone is hisindg behind a wall etc etc. Basixally this is one of the times he'd actually use it a lot because he's gonna find Spy. He'll definitely use it if he thinks Spy is dead to check that... Spy is dead.

With Bond's decades of experience and hundreds of missions where he's has to deal with people betraying him and working with other spies? Yeah I don't think it'd work well
 
If he's in a populated city he has no reason to believe that the random drunk scottish man walking down the street is a spy trying to kill him. Nor the Boston boy with an attitude. Spy can take on eight separate personalities, and it's unreasonable to think that Bond would definitely know this guy is a spy when A. He's never seen them before, B. They're actually pretty understandable personalities or stereotypes which just makes it more believable, and C. There are a dozen more people in the crowd he'd also have to be worried about.

Also uuuh...is his thermal vision...like, something he has to wear? Are they goggles? Is it a headset?
 
Yeah Jack but by that same knowledge Spy doesn't know who James is either. The OP says they keep going till they find out the other person and James in no way would go out in the open against someone whose skilled enough to try and infiltrate Mi6. Yeah I definitely see James finding out Spy first because that's just it, Spy is also trying to catch Bond. Spy isn't going to Mi6 first in this situation, he's also trying to find James so eventually he's gonna do something suspicious. He isn't gonna walk around town in outfits all day when he's also looking for a deadly spy, he actually has to start looking. From then on eventually he's gonna do something suspicious and Bond should eventually find him out

It's never really specified tbh
 
I dunno Spy is a master of disguise I'd doubt he'd do much suspicious stuff to be frank. He hardly ever breaks character anyhow. The only time he's broken character you'd basically have to know the disguise by heart. I doubt Bond would pick up on that. The Spy's been doing this forever.

Also I mean it doesn't matter much. If Spy thinks Bond is getting on his trail, he pulls out the Dead Ringer, looking just like a stopwatch so nothing particularly weird. Bond shoots him, dead body falls, and while Bond is turning on his thermal vision the spy uncloaks and shoots him in the head to kill him, or basically just punch him considering he's 9-A. If spy even decides to engage in close combat that's one dead Bond right there, and I don't see how Bond can kill him considering tier gap. What's his 9-A equipment? Rockets?
 
Tranquilisers, flash bang's anything to incap really will beat Spy since he has no immunity. Plus Dead Ringer won't be used here because I doubt Bond will use rockets in a populated City and nothing else will actually kill Spy. Bond then realises being the highly experienced agent to use incap methods.

I know Jack but the spy at some point has to attack Bond. He can't just being lolligaging around the city for days. Eventually someone is gonna make a move on Bond in which James has counters for all of Spy's own tricks. Thermovision completely nullifies Spy's stealth and James has invisibility as well which Spy has no counter to. Even if Spy doesn't break character, he still actually has to do beat Bond which involves... well.... attacking Bond.
 
Okay but Bond wouldn't automatically know nothing can hurt the spy. Forget about the whole breaking character thing or whatever that point is moot at this point. Bind wouldn't automatically assume incap is the way to go. This just looks like some normal dude. Why wouldn't he shoot first then? He doesn't know that tier difference, his first instinct would probably be a gunshot or something similar, yeah? Dead Ringer activates and at that point Spy knows where Bomd is because...he's the only one not running away from a gunshot. Either he runs to a vantage point (which is actually incredibly likely, as he ran away from the yeti), or he just uncloaks and shoots, which is...less likely, to be frank, but still a possibility. One shot kills bond and it's done
 
Because Bond wouldn't keep shorting him if it sees it do nothing? Why would James Bond of all people keep doing something that isn't working. Jack you're my friend and all but this is real downplay here. James would shoot him, see it doesn't do anything and then go for incap methods. Meanwhile Spy has to deal with someone who at that point knows where he is and can be invisible himself which unlike Bond has for Spy, Spy has no counter for. Bond tracks him with thermovision and either electrocuted him or puts him to sleep. Then it's job done
 
Bond won't let this man who can seemingly fit in anywhere get away. He tracks him with thermovision therefore eliminating all stealth and trickery Spy has to offer. Even if he does get away, Bond again goes invisible and the whole thing starts over again.

I'm switching to Bond now actually
 
But what I am saying is if he takes one shot, he's dead. I'm not assuming that James is gonna continuously shoot him. I'm not implying that at all. In fact one shot and I think he stops, because he has to turn on thermal vision, which makes him stop shooting, then spy uncloaks and kills him or literally just kicks him.

If that doesn't work Spy runs away into the nearby buildings, hiding among the chaos where his heat signature is likely to get lost if there's a crowded city and people running away because there was a gunshot. Tranquilizer darts are well good and all but I don't Bond can pull one off if he has to swap out weapons and try to keep an eye on one heat signature in a whole crowd before Spy can sneak into a building.

I'm not saying Bond's not skilled, and I'm not saying he'd keep shooting, and I don't know where you're getting that from. I'm saying that if Bond pulls that trigger once he'll be dead seconds later. Maybe it'd be a bit more dragged out if Spy is cautious with it, but a tranquilizer also doesn't mean much if line of sight is broken and you have to chase the guy down, when the guy you're chasing down can kill you in one shot.

Spy could also just blend in with the panicking crowd at that point and catch Bond off guard, could he not? Like I said, it'd be hard to keep track of a thermal signal if there's a whole crowd of them running around.

Also Spy's been electrocuted before, to be fair. Short Circuit is the reason why. Though yes, sleep manipulation had a fair point.

I respect you and everything, Arsenal, but I'm just trying to provide a reasonable argument here. I really like TF2 so I'm trying to defend it as much as I can and...I just see it going a different way than you. I'm not trying to downplay.
 
Also assuming that shutting down the stealthiness of the spy just shuts him down entirely is incredible downplay. He's a world class assassin that could take down a whole courtroom with the size of a toothpick. Law enforcement literally consider him too dangerous to encounter head on so they starve him out. He possesses revolvers that specifically rely on accuracies and getting headshots (The Ambassador). At this point the Dead Ringer isn't actually needed. All that needs to happen is that Bond shoots him in the back once or otherwise, and once The Spy processes that pain, he turns around, realizes that James Bond is holding a gun and is pointing it at him, perhaps a little surprised it didn't work, and then The Spy shoots him in the head the moment he reaches for anything that requires hand motions or pressing a button.

Like I said I respect you man I just find that Bond has a less likely win method against someone like the spy, who doesn't even need to go invisible once he's caught. It's a preferred method, but he's also just a swift killer. In fact for half of his Meet the Spy vid I don't even think he went invisible. He was visible the whole time and still cleared out most of the Blue Team. Once his disguise goes south he'll likely just shoot Bond then and there, which just obliterates him.

I just really don't think Bond would have time to tranquilizer Spy before Spy just up and kills him
 
Okay so sorry for the triple post but for now put me up as a Spy voter.

Also when you say everything they've ever had does that also mean MVM upgrades? Because if so...woo boi that's an easier win with that free and easy ubercharge
 
On break now. Yeah sorry I jumped down your throat jack, that wasn't right of me.

All of that is good and all but if anything I further makes me think Incon is the right result (im switching back to it sorry) Because the thing is, Once James knows Spy is there which he eventually will because Spy all attack him eventually, which makes so many possibilities happen. Spy could potentially kill Bond, Bond could potentially incap Spy, Bond could be using thermovision (very likely imo which fully nullifies someone breaking up on him because it detects heat signatures in a 360 degree radius which could result in many different things happening. Either Spy runs away and plans another attack and he gets away or Bond uses thermovision to track him and goes for the incap, or Bond goes invisible and spy tries to finish him off and they both dodge attacks.

I can see this going a multitude of different ways and even though I believe it's more likely Bond stops Spy by what I've been saying in earlier replies, I think I'll go incon.
 
Eeeh....if I go any further I'll be repeating myself. And no one likes it when a debate repeats itself. I'll say a closing statement.

Spy should be able to headshot the moment he knows anything is up, before Bond can pull out a tranquilizer. He'd be far too accurate to miss any shot like that unless Bond is bloody miles away. If he has MVM upgrades he gets five seconds of invincibility further sealing the deal, and he has ways to just finish Bond incredibly quickly.

Thats my closing statement. If anyone wants me to elaborate on more then I'd be happy too, but if not, I'm out. I don't wanna repeat myself
 
@Jack, to be fair, both combatants could dodge the others billets with their speed so this convinces me more than anything that's it's Incon
 
I'm probably going to go for Spy, because in the case the DR may not fool Bond, it would allow Spy to reposition for an easier head shot.
 
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