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Currently, we use the CH (Continuum Hypothesis) as our Invisible default standard to determine the boundary between 2A and Low 1-C.
For a little explanation, CH is an hypothesis which stating that there is no set between the set of Natural number and the set of Real number (no set between Aleph-null to Aleph-1). From "this" CRT, we treat CH as the default standard to determine the boundary between 2A and Low 1C, by simply saying: "there is no space between 2A and Low 1C , therefore any space that contain 2A become Low 1C structure, as how Continuum Hypothesis is." Since this standard has been applied, we don't use 2A above baseline system anymore unless a fiction specifically says so (which I'm sure it won't because of the supporters is trying to falsify their feats interpretation).
There is one thing I want to say here. Applying CH as our default standard like this and apply it to almost every single fiction in this wiki is not a good idea. This is because CH is a controversial problem in math due to its unprovable state. According to Gödel 2nd incompletness theorem, which state::
"For any consistent system F within which a certain amount of elementary arithmetic can be carried out, the consistency of F cannot be proved in F itself "
Meaning, we can't construct a model of ZFC (A system that used as the base standard for Set Theory) while working in the ZFC, or simply if we prove a math system is correct within its own math system, then those math system is incorrect, and viceversa, making it inconsistent. Similiar to Halting problem. CH is independent from the ZFC, thus it is an axiomatic model (model that have self-contained proof), therefore making it unprovable whether it is actually true or false within ZFC system itself. The best solution to this problem is to seperate CH into two interpretations to work: an interpretation of a universe where CH is true (Gödel interpretation of Contrustible Universe), and an interpretation of a universe where CH is false (Cohen interpretation of Forcing Inconstructible Universe).
Something that has multiple interpretations is applied to become our default standard by choosing to apply only one of its interpretations? We have been an ignorant by ignoring the other interpretation of Continuum Hypothesis.
I already asking Ultima about this, and he said that he makes this standard due to its simplicity sake to understand for a new people. So i don't think that's a good reason to make this standard still stand in this wiki.
Conclusion? we have to stop using CH as default standard and revive the previous 2A above baseline system in order to make this wiki more consistent with the real world theorem. Therefore, any space that containing 2A is not automatically Low 1-C if there's no spesific stuff that suitable with our Higher Dimensional standard. This will not changing the Tiering System of Tier-1, its just returning the old 2A above baseline standard.
Also, i think we better waiting Ultima to give input here, althrough he seemingly agree with this.
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So, proposal to remove invisible CH 2A to Low-1C standard.
Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:
For a little explanation, CH is an hypothesis which stating that there is no set between the set of Natural number and the set of Real number (no set between Aleph-null to Aleph-1). From "this" CRT, we treat CH as the default standard to determine the boundary between 2A and Low 1C, by simply saying: "there is no space between 2A and Low 1C , therefore any space that contain 2A become Low 1C structure, as how Continuum Hypothesis is." Since this standard has been applied, we don't use 2A above baseline system anymore unless a fiction specifically says so (which I'm sure it won't because of the supporters is trying to falsify their feats interpretation).
There is one thing I want to say here. Applying CH as our default standard like this and apply it to almost every single fiction in this wiki is not a good idea. This is because CH is a controversial problem in math due to its unprovable state. According to Gödel 2nd incompletness theorem, which state::
"For any consistent system F within which a certain amount of elementary arithmetic can be carried out, the consistency of F cannot be proved in F itself "
Meaning, we can't construct a model of ZFC (A system that used as the base standard for Set Theory) while working in the ZFC, or simply if we prove a math system is correct within its own math system, then those math system is incorrect, and viceversa, making it inconsistent. Similiar to Halting problem. CH is independent from the ZFC, thus it is an axiomatic model (model that have self-contained proof), therefore making it unprovable whether it is actually true or false within ZFC system itself. The best solution to this problem is to seperate CH into two interpretations to work: an interpretation of a universe where CH is true (Gödel interpretation of Contrustible Universe), and an interpretation of a universe where CH is false (Cohen interpretation of Forcing Inconstructible Universe).
Something that has multiple interpretations is applied to become our default standard by choosing to apply only one of its interpretations? We have been an ignorant by ignoring the other interpretation of Continuum Hypothesis.
I already asking Ultima about this, and he said that he makes this standard due to its simplicity sake to understand for a new people. So i don't think that's a good reason to make this standard still stand in this wiki.
Conclusion? we have to stop using CH as default standard and revive the previous 2A above baseline system in order to make this wiki more consistent with the real world theorem. Therefore, any space that containing 2A is not automatically Low 1-C if there's no spesific stuff that suitable with our Higher Dimensional standard. This will not changing the Tiering System of Tier-1, its just returning the old 2A above baseline standard.
Also, i think we better waiting Ultima to give input here, althrough he seemingly agree with this.
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So, proposal to remove invisible CH 2A to Low-1C standard.
Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:
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