Bravely Revisions

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Airy clarifies that the world is not a singular existence and clarifies that there's an endless array of Luxendarcs, an infinite line of worlds in parallel, myriad worlds. There are also myriad higher planes/layers of existence, which should be below the Celestial Realm.

Basically, the low-ball should be 2-A and the high-ball should be 1-B/High 1-B.

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

Why would this be anything above 2-A?

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

There's countless higher planes of existence beyond an infinite multiverse.

 

[Allmightochondria]

I second this, the evidence here blatantly shows that this should be high 1-B and if anything just 1-B is a massive lowball.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I can agree with 2-A but where in the bloody hell do you get tier 1 out of this?

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

2-A looks fine I guess.

Higher plane doesn't default to a higher plane of Dimensionality whatsoever. High 1-B isn't supported in the least and assumes an infinite amount, playing a Devil's Advocate. This doesn't really seem to be supported outside of a very fundamentally weak reason.

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

I can agree with 2-A but where in the bloody hell do you get tier 1 out of this?

He's assuming they're jumping planes of dimensional existence and with myriad, he's getting Tier 1 out of it.

 

[First_Witch]

Fully on board with 2A, but iffy on anything higher. Are there more mentions of the higher planes?

Its probably best to wait for Bravely Third before starting anything Tier 1 related.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

2-A looks fine I guess.

Higher plane doesn't default to a higher plane of Dimensionality whatsoever. High 1-B isn't supported in the least and assumes an infinite amount, playing a Devil's Advocate. This doesn't really seem to be supported outside of a very fundamentally weak reason.

Indeed, I actually made a thread a while back to get rid of High 2-A for them but it kinda died.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

These higher planes of existence go beyond an infinite multiverse, which similar things are treated often as High 2-A on many pages here, and there are myriad higher planes, which would be either countless or infinite depending on interpretation. Though I'm fine with it just being countless, but I'm not seeing why people are just rejecting a higher plane of existence beyond infinite universes as being higher-dimensional.

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

Its probably best to wait for Bravely Third before starting anything Tier 1 related.

I don't think we need to wait for a game that's not even confirmed to have a set release date IIRC if we're trying to carry out a revision. If this is remark to Tier 1 though, that's fine.

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

Because it's the highest end interpretation of what we can consider rather than the safest bet, being just really high into 2-A honestly.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

How about the thread I brought up with the issues regarding High 2-A?

 

[First_Witch]

Its probably best to wait for Bravely Third before starting anything Tier 1 related.

I don't think we need to wait for a game that's not even confirmed to have a set release date IIRC if we're trying to carry out a revision. If this is remark to Tier 1 though, that's fine.

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And i kinda disagree, High 1B is the highest interpretation, as nothing indicates infinite higher planes. But the existence of higher planes are more or less proven with the Celestial realm. My only gripe on anything Tier 1 related is that we have not enough conclusive proof. So waiting for the game where the Planeswarden are more or less the focus is better than trying to force it through @Niarobi

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I can definitely agree with 2-A, but the Tier 1 stuff sounds pretty hyperbolic; and High 1-B is a definite no. I think at least 2-A, possibly High 2-A given that tier is still there might work. Though, I do remember a thread of getting rid of High 2-A which result seemed divided.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

So how are we treating these higher planes/layers of existence? I'd like to just mention that the Planeswardens are called the Dimension Bureau in the Japanese version, so there's that, too.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Dimension can also refer to a universe.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

It uses the term "jigen", which explicitly refers to spatial dimensions, and dimension ended up getting translated to "higher plane"/"next layer" makes no sense at all contextually.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Spatial Dimension =/= Higher Dimensional plane on our new improved explanation for our tiering system.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Ehhh. Nothing about it being spatial specifically.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Also, Google translate is really bad tbh

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

I wasn't saying I agree with it, but saying "we need to wait for X game to come out" is rather dumb is my point. It really doesn't contribute anything when Bravely Third doesn't even seem to be close to release date.

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

That's not really a refute to this point, he's correct to some extent.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Yeah, probably best to ask someone who knows Japanese but I don't think it's referring to a spatial dimension.

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

Can you show the original Japanese text even referring to jigen? This doesn't really seem to be something you provided in the scans you listed. We should use the English version unless it's a mistranslation you can actually prove.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Control + F "jigen".

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Spatial Dimension =/= Higher Dimensional plane on our new improved explanation for our tiering system.

Why would a realm that encompasses countless higher dimensions not be a higher-dimensional plane?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

The issue in the first place is that higher plane doesn't equate to infinitely transcending a dimensional level.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

But they're higher planes of existence beyond an infinite multiverse where the Japanese version refers to them as dimensions.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Scan?

 

[Allmightochondria]

did you not see the translation?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

How about screenshotting it? I don't have all day to dig through all that.

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

Is it referred to as a higher dimension in said context? I see the mention of Jigen, but I don't see the mention of it elaborating to higher dimensions in this context.

 

[Allmightochondria]

you can't just use find in page?

 

[Allmightochondria]

https://i.imgur.com/JiyDWn7.png well whatever here's one example

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

"Fire Dimension Cave."

Bro, how is that remotely evidence of a spatiotemporal dimension at all?

 

[Allmightochondria]

https://i.imgur.com/8iZW0kH.png ignoring this?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Dimension Bureau, that was already brought up and it proves nothing about it being spatiotemporal.

 

[Allmightochondria]

but in japanese "µ¼íÕàâ" is typically used to refer to spatial dimensions whilist "Õ»©µ│ò" is typically used to refer to parallel dimensions.

 

[Allmightochondria]

I believe I needn't say that "µ¼íÕàâ" is being used here