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how long does it take for an ant to eat an entire humanoid lion
What if the ant is 8x faster than the lion
What if its spit can burn like fire
What if the ant is 8x faster than the lion
What if its spit can burn like fire
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In reality it would be more similar to a Leopard with 8x the speed of the lion vs the lionhow long does it take for an ant to eat an entire humanoid lion
What if the ant is 8x faster than the lion
What if its spit can burn like fire
1 billion fire breathing leopard leopardIn reality it would be more similar to a Leopard with 8x the speed of the lion vs the lion
But the Leopard regenerates and is capable of breathing fire
fodderizes arceus, dialga and palkia simtaneously1 billion fire breathing leopard leopard
Boros FRANo one has answered my question.
Battle Beast's own scaling chain makes him way too high for Boros to do any sort of damage to him.
dosent boros also have a big scaling chain that evens things out so it remains at 5.4xNo one has answered my question.
Battle Beast's own scaling chain makes him way too high for Boros to do any sort of damage to him.
Dude, Boros' strongest attack isn't even baseline Moon level, and Battle Beast is much stronger than a bunch of weakened fodders at 32.8 Exatons. It's not rocket science.dosent boros also have a big scaling chain that evens things out so it remains at 5.4x
borse has heat - really hot heat, in factNo one has answered my question.
Battle Beast's own scaling chain makes him way too high for Boros to do any sort of damage to him.
I believe it's sheer heat, which can ignore conventual durability to an extent.No one has answered my question.
Battle Beast's own scaling chain makes him way too high for Boros to do any sort of damage to him.
Heat Dura neg only goes so far afaik, and the characters who scale to 32.8 Exatons are literal fodder to Battle Beast as I described earlier. The scaling chain is just too big to assume Boros could just overcome with heat alone.borse has heat - really hot heat, in fact
i believe the heat of his lasers and whatnot can melt massive portions of his ship, which can withstand re-entry (which, according to this .edu link, is around 1650 C)
he unironically could just dance around BB w/ his speed advantage (which is insane, mind you, imagine someone being able to throw 8 punches in the time it takes you to throw 1) and fry him
Definitely can’t*and the CSRC is something Battle Beast can definitely survive.
You can tank such a thing with enough durability, and I've already described his scaling chain.Definitely can’t*
That shit is really hot too bro
Excuse me for having a hard time believing that a few one shot gaps is gonna stop him from being incinerated by something >>> reentry heat tanking metalYou can tank such a thing with enough durability, and I've already described his scaling chain.
His Ultimate attack isn't even stronger than a bunch of weakened fodders lmfao. It's not that complicated.Excuse me for having a hard time believing that a few one shot gaps is gonna stop him from being incinerated by something >>> reentry heat tanking metal
countedIf this isn't a stomp, I'm voting Battle Beast.
Well okay since we’re getting to be smartasses nowHis Ultimate attack isn't even stronger than a bunch of weakened fodders lmfao. It's not rocket science.
I feel like we should probably set a standard on how much durability can heat negate.Heat Dura neg only goes so far afaik
Interesting, when I asked a calc group member I was told it wouldn't matter and being 8 times would be enough to withstand it (stonewall it), with the 7.5 times one shot being the standard for that answer I asked.I feel like we should probably set a standard on how much durability can heat negate.
It should negate any gap (Ignoring anything infinite or beyond) if someone lacks heat resistance going by our standards. But in reality there would be a hard limit to this. Since a Tier 7 character would produce so much heat with their movement that fire, magma, and even the surface of the Sun would be nothing to them.
But obviously we can't give everyone heat manipulation/resistance based on them being a high tier. You'd only need to be Wall level to tank touching lava. That's why I said our standards, since we don't give these people heat manipulation/resistance for being a certain tier. Meaning they just have normal resistance.
Scaling heat is extremely iffy. Since heat "damage" comes from temperatures. And heat energy comes from multiple factors and not just temperature.
Example: Take a fire that has high energy (7-C) and covers a large area. But this fire cannot melt steel as it's temperature is too low, as such the damage it can inflict is limited. If an object is heated it usually doesn't get hotter than the source of the heat. This 7-C fire would do less damage than a Tier 8 fire that only covers a small area. Because it can instantly vaporize tungsten or something, despite the fact the Tier 7-C has more energy.
Is a fire that burns a Tier 7 character, but is noted as being unable to melt steel, inferior to a fire produced by a Tier 8 character that can melt tungsten? If we only cared about temperature that means a Tier 8 character can vaporize a Tier 5 character with passive heat aura. Which I don't think is right or should be allowed.
But if we don't care about temperature at all and focus on the type of person it burns, what about the above? Character A's flames can't melt something Character B's flames can easily melt. But Character A's flames can hurt higher Tier characters than Character B. Who's flames are superior in a versus thread in this case?
It's a tricky thing to nail down. I've been racking my brain trying to come up with some satisfactory answer that doesn't introduce problems but I've had no luck.
In case you couldn't tell, I have lots of thoughts about this subject.
The problem is we don't know by how much, and even it's own calculations put it at High 6-A so it's hard to even high ball it to anywhere near a weakened Viltrumite.You can’t really use his ultimate attack as an anti feat here because it just scales massively insanely far above his MB AP
By this logic, wouldn't the same apply for Battle Beast but to a bigger extent? Battle Beast's own scaling chain is arguably even larger than Boros'. What's not to say he couldn't survive the attack when opponents on a similar level to Boros' attacks are nothing to him.the fact that it’s considered weaker than crippled viltrumites is purely a consequence of how we treat vs threads here and is not actually something that can be quantified as weaker or stronger, especially when the value gap here isn’t even 10x
Your argument would make sense if we weren't arguing in Vs wiki, using vs wiki standards. And with Vs wiki standards, the weakened Viltrumites would be stronger than the CSRCThat’s just the system, but it has nothing to do with this debate. Saying “csrc << weakened viltrumites” serves no argumentative purpose other than shock value and taking it out of context
I mean there are literally multiple ways to calculate Boros' crust bust at tier 5, the vast amount of interpretations is why the calc is no longer ued in the first place so it is actually not hard at all to highball it thereThe problem is we don't know by how much, and even it's own calculations put it at High 6-A so it's hard to even high ball it to anywhere near a weakened Viltrumite.
By this logic, wouldn't the same apply for Battle Beast but to a bigger extent? Battle Beast's own scaling chain is arguably even larger than Boros'. What's not to say he couldn't survive the attack when opponents on a similar level to Boros' attacks are nothing to him.
Your argument would make sense if we weren't arguing in Vs wiki, using vs wiki standards. And with Vs wiki standards, the weakened Viltrumites would be stronger than the CSRC
VS battle standards on this forum literally use VS wiki standards, and I don't see how the second part is relevant here.also vs wiki standards /=/ vs battle standards, we literally condemn the one shot gap as not being a multiplier and being for vs threads only, so yes there is a difference
I am saying that on the actual wiki nothing prevents CSRC from being > viltrumites, as the “far higher” is used to indicate likely being of a higher tier but unquantifiable. In vs thread rules we have to assume it’s weaker, but it doesn’t actually reflect on the character’s scaling chain. In a vs thread a punch from Orochi is literally no weaker than the csrc is the opponent has a 10th of a joule advantageVS battle standards on this forum literally use VS wiki standards, and I don't see how the second part is relevant here.
If nothing proves Viltrumites > CSRC, then what exactly proves CSRC > Viltrumites? Beyond just a scaling chain.I am saying that on the actual wiki nothing prevents CSRC from being > viltrumites, as the “far higher” is used to indicate likely being of a higher tier but unquantifiable.
That still doesn’t prove that CSRC is higher than even a bog standard viltrumite. A scaling chain is going to help close the gap but it’ll only take you so far. Congrats, it says “far higher” that just means it’s higher to an unknown degree and there’s no actual feat or evidence to support it being a higher tier.I am saying that on the actual wiki nothing prevents CSRC from being > viltrumites, as the “far higher” is used to indicate likely being of a higher tier but unquantifiable. In vs thread rules we have to assume it’s weaker, but it doesn’t actually reflect on the character’s scaling chain. In a vs thread a punch from Orochi is literally no weaker than the csrc is the opponent has a 10th of a joule advantage
But this is all equally irrelevant. The point is that hot laser sizzle sizzle bam bam let him cook W rizz Boros FRA
I never said ther was proof, I never even claimed or implied it was stronger.If nothing proves Viltrumites > CSRC, then what exactly proves CSRC > Viltrumites? Beyond just a scaling chain.
Why you slandering my boiAlso can't believe you are putting such a bad character against the chad Beast. Have some class y'all.
Don't think Boros is as interesting as Battle Beast.Why you slandering my boi
this boros d-riding is making me hate him wtfBoros: the best OPM antagonist to this day
Doesn’t have a complicated and fundamentally kind of stupid motivation like Garou while pretending to be profound
Gets the best animated fight ever
Was drawn in Murata’s biggest W era
Is also one of Murata’s 2 favorite characters despite having scarce time to exist in the story
Truly peak
Boros FRA
Good argumentthis boros d-riding is making me hate him wtf
anyway i'll vote incon