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Dragon Ball - Buu Saga Tier 3 Proposal

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Proponho uma atualização necessária na página de Majin Buu, Goku e Vegetto, eles devem ser dimensionados para Multi-Galáxias / Universal


Argumentos para Kid Buu Multi-Galáxias 3-B

Reino Kaioshin:



The world where the Kaioushin, the highest beings among the Kaiou, live. Its scope is about one-tenth the combined space of the World Beyond and the Living World. Revolving endlessly around the circumference of the World Beyond and the Living World, they watch over the entire world and balance each other. Planet Kaioushin forms the center of the Kaloushin Kingdom. Planet Kaioushin is a lonely planet in the Kaiou Realm, and around it are several small suns. The only people in the Kaioushin Realm are Kaloushin and Kibito, who acts as support.

[Par.] All forms of life, except Kaloushin, and all souls, cannot enter the Kaioushin Realm. The only ways to visit the Kaloushin Kingdom are by borrowing Kibito's power, or coming through Shunkan Idou. (Daizenshuu 4,

Page 73)

Kaioshin Realm = 1/10 of the macrocosm = Several Galaxies.


Kid Boo being placed above Bills from 75 million years ago.




Confirmed that it was Beerus who sealed the old kaioshin and that he had enough potential to destroy the kaioshin realm.



Interview link: https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/saikyo-jump-june-2014-issue-twel-buu-mysteries/


Argument for universal 3-A

In the English translation, it is said that Kid boo can destroy the universe.



In the Spanish version it is also said that Kid Boo can destroy the universe.



In another English translation, Goku says that Kid Buu would take the universe in a "Poof", herms, the translator of the scans in the kanzenshuu, confirmed that the translation is correct.

https://imgur.com/a/kTGstsR

Herms(Todd Blankenship) confirmando que a tradução está correta.

Link da resposta no twitter: https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/1410771336880791555?s=08

https://imgur.com/a/X3srx2p

No lendário mangá diz que Boo pode destruir o universo.

https://imgur.com/a/O4MO29x

Foi preciso um Genkidama Universal para matar Kid Buu.

https://imgur.com/a/jX0ydsV

https://imgur.com/a/rYCX3uf

Vou usar o capítulo Dragon Ball Super como base

Dai kaioshin perdeu todos os seus poderes divinos para a forma maligna (capítulo 49)

https://imgur.com/a/2GSDqaS

Aqui é mostrado que quando Vegeta reúne sua energia não é necessário derrotar Moro, após o que Majin Buu ajuda Uub com energia e restaura todo o instinto superior de Goku ao máximo potencial.

https://imgur.com/a/ZTN85dW

Goku with genkidama should be scaled to at least 3-A, Majin Buu be base like 3-B and 3-A with his energy of a God, Vegetto should scale too as he is superior to all mentioned.

I agree: @Saintdhqhdy, @Gogeta, @Aachintya31,@ImmortalDread, @God900, @MrHazama,@Milly_Rocking_Bandit,and me @Toby020

disagree: @Vizer04,@VegetaFan756, @Shadyboi0, @Nullflowerblush,@Tarang123, @Gilad_Hyperstar,F@arrel980

Neutral: @Godernet, @SirAlex09
 
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I only read the first sentence bc I’m too lazy to read the rest but I agree. Unfortunately, you know how the wiki is when it comes to dragon ball, that’s all imma say Lmao. Goku better
 
Based on my understanding, the tweets in question are simply providing explanations of the term being used and do not contain any leading questions. Therefore, it seems reasonable to utilize these tweets as sources of information.
 
I would like to request that we return to the main topic of discussion and avoid any further digressions. It is important to maintain the focus of the conversation in order to effectively address the issue at hand and come to a productive resolution. Could we please refocus our efforts on the original subject matter and continue the discussion in a more productive manner?
 
Toby020 said:
I propose a needed update on Majin Buu's page, Goku,and Vegetto, they should be scaled to Multi-Galaxies / Universal


Arguments for Kid Buu Multi-Galaxies 3-B

Kaioushin Kingdom:



The world where the Kaioushin, the highest beings among the Kaiou, live. Its scope is about one-tenth the combined space of the World Beyond and the Living World. Revolving endlessly around the circumference of the World Beyond and the Living World, they watch over the entire world and balance each other. Planet Kaioushin forms the center of the Kaloushin Kingdom. Planet Kaioushin is a lonely planet in the Kaiou Realm, and around it are several small suns. The only people in the Kaioushin Realm are Kaloushin and Kibito, who acts as support.

[Par.] All forms of life, except Kaloushin, and all souls, cannot enter the Kaioushin Realm. The only ways to visit the Kaloushin Kingdom are by borrowing Kibito's power, or coming through Shunkan Idou. (Daizenshuu 4,

Page 73)

Kaioshin Realm = 1/10 of the macrocosm = Several Galaxies.


Kid Boo being placed above Bills from 75 million years ago.




Confirmed that it was Beerus who sealed the old kaioshin and that he had enough potential to destroy the kaioshin realm.



Interview link: https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/saikyo-jump-june-2014-issue-twel-buu-mysteries/


Argument for universal 3-A

In the English translation, it is said that Kid boo can destroy the universe.



In the Spanish version it is also said that Kid Boo can destroy the universe.



In another English translation, Goku says that Kid Buu would take the universe in a "Poof", herms, the translator of the scans in the kanzenshuu, confirmed that the translation is correct.

https://imgur.com/a/kTGstsR

Herms(Todd Blankenship) confirming that the translation is correct.

Answer link on twitter: https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/1410771336880791555?s=08

https://imgur.com/a/X3srx2p

In the legendary manga it says that Boo can destroy the universe.

https://imgur.com/a/O4MO29x

It took a Universal Genkidama to kill Kid Buu.

https://imgur.com/a/jX0ydsV

https://imgur.com/a/rYCX3uf

I'm going to use the Dragon Ball Super chapter as a base

Dai kaioshin lost all of his god powers to evil form (chapter 49)

https://imgur.com/a/2GSDqaS

Here it is shown that when Vegeta gathers his energy it is not necessary to defeat Moro, after which Majin Buu helps Uub with energy and restores Goku's full superior instinct to maximum potential.

https://imgur.com/a/ZTN85dW

Goku with genkidama should be scaled to at least 3-A, Majin Buu be base like 3-B and 3-A with his energy of a God, Vegetto should scale too as he is superior to all mentioned.
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Ok hang on a second.
1. Old Kai said that Kid Buu was more dangerous than Beerus, not more powerful. This makes sense as Beerus sleeps for long periods of time and can be placated by food, as well as not destroying without a purpose and is unable to kill the Kais. Kid Buu does none of these except maybe the first two.
2. Kid Buu destroying the universe is not directly an AP feat as it has been shown his method of destroying is blowing up individual planets. It is therefore implied that Kid Buu would destroy the universe one planet at a time, until there was nothing left, rather than at once.
3. The only universe-wide Spirit Bomb in the franchise was the one created to destroy Omega Shenron. The spirit bomb against Kid Buu was just Earth and it's entire population.
4. Uub does not have enough power to destroy Moro, Uub restored Goku's stamina to full. It was Goku's strength that was used to kill Moro.
 
VegetaFan756 said:
Ok hang on a second.
1. Old Kai said that Kid Buu was more dangerous than Beerus, not more powerful. This makes sense as Beerus sleeps for long periods of time and can be placated by food, as well as not destroying without a purpose and is unable to kill the Kais. Kid Buu does none of these except maybe the first two.
2. Kid Buu destroying the universe is not directly an AP feat as it has been shown his method of destroying is blowing up individual planets. It is therefore implied that Kid Buu would destroy the universe one planet at a time, until there was nothing left, rather than at once.
3. The only universe-wide Spirit Bomb in the franchise was the one created to destroy Omega Shenron. The spirit bomb against Kid Buu was just Earth and it's entire population.
4. Uub does not have enough power to destroy Moro, Uub restored Goku's stamina to full. It was Goku's strength that was used to kill Moro.
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I disagree for these reasons
 
VegetaFan756 said:
Ok hang on a second.
1. Old Kai said that Kid Buu was more dangerous than Beerus, not more powerful. This makes sense as Beerus sleeps for long periods of time and can be placated by food, as well as not destroying without a purpose and is unable to kill the Kais. Kid Buu does none of these except maybe the first two.
2. Kid Buu destroying the universe is not directly an AP feat as it has been shown his method of destroying is blowing up individual planets. It is therefore implied that Kid Buu would destroy the universe one planet at a time, until there was nothing left, rather than at once.
3. The only universe-wide Spirit Bomb in the franchise was the one created to destroy Omega Shenron. The spirit bomb against Kid Buu was just Earth and it's entire population.
4. Uub does not have enough power to destroy Moro, Uub restored Goku's stamina to full. It was Goku's strength that was used to kill Moro.
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but what arguments is this? kaioshin makes it clear in the scan that Majin Buu is said to be more powerful, sorry, but I don't want to waste my time with bait, it is described several times that Majin Buu can destroy the entire universe, about genkidama being gathered only by the earth you are wrong, it was also gathered by nameke, quoted in the anime and manga that it was all energy in the universe, your argument phony doesn't refute my scans, okay? In the Moro arc, Uub's energy was shown to be enough to restore all the energy of the superior instinct and not its resistance, could you read the scans, please?
 
Toby020 said:
but what arguments is this? kaioshin makes it clear in the scan that Majin Buu is said to be more powerful, sorry, but I don't want to waste my time with bait, it is described several times that Majin Buu can destroy the entire universe, about genkidama being gathered only by the earth you are wrong, it was also gathered by nameke, quoted in the anime and manga that it was all energy in the universe, your argument phony doesn't refute my scans, okay? In the Moro arc, Uub's energy was shown to be enough to restore all the energy of the superior instinct and not its resistance, could you read the scans, please?
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That's true but it has very obviously been retconned as it's stated multiple times that Beerus is above literally every single mortal who has existed within universe 7 since Battle of Gods. Also it's really cool that there's some quotes but it is physically stated and shown that the spirit bomb is the entire earthling population, no other planets were involved. In fact not only to guidebooks support this, but external media such as games. We ONLY SAW energy from EARTH going into it. I also still fail to see how Uub giving Goku his stamina back equates to him being that strong.
Another piece of evidence to support the fact that Beerus 100% > Kid Buu is that in the manga of Battle of Gods, we saw a mind training battle between Goku and the various villains of DBZ, in which he charged at Kid Buu only in SSJ.
In the manga, movie, and anime on the other hand, it's confirmed Goku has become stronger than he was in the Buu Saga. SSJ3 Goku matched Kid Buu, meaning by BOG he was stronger than him, and was defeated by Beerus in literally 3 attacks.
 
Toby020 said:
it is mentioned by the work itself, there is no way to disagree, even Akira's own word, are you going to tell me that Akira toriyama's word is worthless?
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I mean, no? However, seeing SS3 Goku who was more or less equal to Super Buu, and Ultimate Gohan Who surely is stronger than Kid boo, both getting trashed by one finger of Beerus, it should give you an idea
 
VegetaFan756 said:
That's true but it has very obviously been retconned as it's stated multiple times that Beerus is above literally every single mortal who has existed within universe 7 since Battle of Gods. Also it's really cool that there's some quotes but it is physically stated and shown that the spirit bomb is the entire earthling population, no other planets were involved. In fact not only to guidebooks support this, but external media such as games. We ONLY SAW energy from EARTH going into it. I also still fail to see how Uub giving Goku his stamina back equates to him being that strong.
Another piece of evidence to support the fact that Beerus 100% > Kid Buu is that in the manga of Battle of Gods, we saw a mind training battle between Goku and the various villains of DBZ, in which he charged at Kid Buu only in SSJ.
In the manga, movie, and anime on the other hand, it's confirmed Goku has become stronger than he was in the Buu Saga. SSJ3 Goku matched Kid Buu, meaning by BOG he was stronger than him, and was defeated by Beerus in literally 3 attacks.
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you know that all this happened 75 million years ago, right? And that every God of Destruction is trained to become a god? so even Akira toriyama's own word is in the middle, no there's no way to disagree with anything, except accepting the harsh reality, as I said above, in the manga and anime it is mentioned that energy was gathered by the entire universe, if you're going to talk, bring proof of this and not false testimonies.
 
Vizer04 said:
These are the type of people that agree with the upgrade. Your thread was already a joke before i even got here.
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Yeah, you are right to some degree...

However, scaling to Galaxy- Multi from destroying/threatening kibito Shin's Planet seems plausible, and that argument can be made...

This argument it's been ignored for a long time
 
God900 said:
However, kid Buu being 3-B from threatening Shin's Planet is plausible.

And an argument can be made for him, yeah
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We really don't know the full scope of the universe which is the issue.
I mean there's 4 galaxies, but they're also supposedly quadrants. However they look and check all the boxes for being galaxies, and some sources say that the Universe is INFINITE.
 
Toby020 said:
you know that all this happened 75 million years ago, right? And that every God of Destruction is trained to become a god? so even Akira toriyama's own word is in the middle, no there's no way to disagree with anything, except accepting the harsh reality, as I said above, in the manga and anime it is mentioned that energy was gathered by the entire universe, if you're going to talk, bring proof of this and not false testimonies.
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Ok hang on what are you talking about?
Beerus is confirmed to have held that position for that amount of time, and I don't see how it's relevant. Also what do you mean "Toriyama's own word is in the middle" exactly?
Kid Buu = SSJ3 Goku who got two shot by Beerus.
 
VegetaFan756 said:
We really don't know the full scope of the universe which is the issue.
I mean there's 4 galaxies, but they're also supposedly quadrants. However they look and check all the boxes for being galaxies, and some sources say that the Universe is INFINITE.
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Yes, but, Shin's Planet being 1/10 of the macroscosm, being the universe infinite or not, should give us a Tier WAY above a mere 4-B rating
 
I am neutral on this. Waiting for more input. The Uub point is very convincing. He gave more energy than fatigued Gohan Piccolo Vegeta and the others put together.

And guys chill pls.
 
God900 said:
Yes, but, Shin's Planet being 1/10 of the macroscosm, being the universe infinite or not, should give us a Tier WAY above a mere 4-B rating
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No, the Realm of the Kai is a tenth of the macrocosm. The Kai's faraway planet is a planet inside of the Realm of the Kai.
 
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