Bolas VS Vecna (Redo)

[Moritzva]

But has anyone stated how this isn't a stomp? One way Bolas could win, ever?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The fact Bolas managed to stalemate Homura means this isn't a stomp.

 

[Udlmaster]

Wouldn't that technically be the A B C Fallacy?

(Not saying your making fallacies Zach, just wondering)

 

[Moritzva]

It really doesn't. What means it isn't a stomp is if Bolas has any chance of winning. I don't see one.

Edit: And Bolas hard-countered Homura's mind hax iirc.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Few ways. Duplication gives him a number advantage, and he can neg basic magic. It's just Vecna has abilities that aren't affected by such things. This isn't a stomp.

 

[Kaltias]

Both are meaningless against someone killing you with a thought.

And isn't Vecna >>>>> Bolas In AP as well?

 

[Udlmaster]

Very much so.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Tecccchnically, going by scaling, he stalemated lady and only barely lost, who is >>>>>>> Orcus with the last word who stomped dozens os baseline 2-As

Vecna resists law and conceptual manipulation now but I'd rather not do another homura match

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Dunno what Bolas scales to. Vecna scales as such:

Vecna >>>>>> Divine Rank 19 >>> Divine Rank 18, which would be our 2-A feat from Mystra

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

What funny is that there is a decent chance both of them might have resistance to 2-A plot manipulation

 

[Udlmaster]

And Asgorath/Io

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

And Shar, and Selune, and Asmodeus, and Zeus.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Oh. Yeah I guess I forgot about Orcus. Fair enough, Vecna is higher than I thought.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@ZacharyGrossman273 Pretty sure Vecna stomps or at worst low-diffs Homura.

Lady of Pain ended up stomping UKG.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I mean, Homura is a character who either stomps or gets stomped in 99% of 2-A matches

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Basically:

Don't resist her mindhax = she stomps.

Are able to resist her mindhax = then there's a likely chance she gets stomped.

 

[Udlmaster]

Basically:

The Lady of Pain Mind haxes you, you resist = She uses another Dagger you flay your skin with.

To my knowledge, there's only ever been one "stomp" against the LoP and that was YVHV, who I think shouldn't even have a High 2-A key to be honest.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Basically:
Don't resist her mindhax = she stomps.

Are able to resist her mindhax = then there's a likely chance she gets stomped.

So all mindhax matches are stomps then

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

For her yes.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

For her yes.

For every mind hax user that can do it with a thought

In her case she just has good mindhax

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Her mindhax is passive and works on type 1 abstract 2-As

But let's stop derailing

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Her mindhax is passive and works on type 1 abstract 2-As
But let's stop derailing

LoP's mindhax isn't passive, it is thought based, there's a difference

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Passive = it's already in effect.

Passive hax is a stomp because the other character gets incapacitated before the fight even begins.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Passive = it's already in effect.
Passive hax is a stomp because the other character gets incapacitated before the fight even begins.

This isn't passive.

This isn't a stomp.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The only passives Vecna has is precog and probability manipulation. He isn't like Malcanthet who has like, 7.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

And yet you put Succubi against Rick lol.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Aaaaand grace periods up

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Holy ******* shit

BOLAS LOST A MATCH

IN HIS STRONGEST KEY

That's a first...