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Yeah. It's kinda just support, since Buggy was in that chapter too.
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Boa Hancock Downgrade
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Monkey what part of this says she's not trying to hurt him?
No that's not a support. Her having the potential to be dangerous because of her conquerors haki discredits it. The form of conquerors she has is totally non-combat applicable and it being mentioned indicates the statement refers to her overall (which includes her dura neg hax) rather than any particular physical ability
Yamato was never even in the prescence of Gear 4th when they made that statement. They have no possible way of knowing how strong Gear 4th is. All they know is base, Gear 2, and 3 which are tiers behind Yamato.
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That's the huge problem with Boa's ratings. All of it is just support without main evidence.
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that it's hyperbole and that she didn't even try to after that statement... There's no way your going to literally ignore everything else for a statment that was not true and was a hyperbole...
you have no answers to her not using her devil fruit ability and you have no answer to her not doing the thing she said she was going to do, stop...
Again... Just ignoring stuff to support your argument... How the f does having con haki now mean you can't be as strong as you are stated to be...
If it's referring to hax it would've said that. It specifically talks about her innate strength with her blood as a kuja warrior and having con haki both which are something that she was born with.
Make a CRT if you believe they have to first see the thing to read their power level, because that's not how haki works or how it's shown at all.
You've been ignoring these statements
And her feat with blackbeard...
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Its not hyperbole. Just because she didn't end up doing it doesn't mean its hyperbole nor does it mean she wasn't trying to hurt him.
She didn't use her devil fruit ability because she was trying to hurt him. Petrifying him would be painless.
I never said that she can't be as strong as she is stated to be because she has con haki, there's more nuance than that.
Yes it refers to her innate strength overall, not just her physical strength. Like I said before, the Kuja are known for their haki, and haki and kuja blood are mentioned in the same breath... you figure that out.
That absoulutely is how it works. Explain to me how Yamato would know how strong something she's never even been near is.
We know nothing about what Sengoku considers strong, this could mean anything from a ranked officer to yonko level. This statement is a massive nothing burger.
What feat against Blackbeard? She got packed up in literal seconds.
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So you agree she didn’t end up doing it, even tho she said it…. So you can accept 1 random statement with no support and many anti feats but can’t accept explicit statements from both an outside official source and from characters… ain’t no way
And she didn’t even attack him after saying that
Literally contradicting that statement and proving it’s not meant to be taken literal
The statement literally says via her having the blood of Kuja and con haki, she is as strong as she is beautiful
There’s no other abilities stated and you literally can’t deny that, what you believe isn’t stated at all.
No it’s not…
She just doesn’t have to, she can just sense Luffy’s power, the same way others can sense how strong their haki is
Those statements aren’t from sengoku, it’s from an outside source… a fleet admiral considering her strong is definitely scalable and means a lot
No she didn’t… you do know if she wasn’t 5-C she would’ve instantly died right..?
Blackbeard and Koby both acknowledged her enduring his attack
You ignoring that doesn’t disprove the truth.
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I was just saying that it's a higher feat than the suggested tiering
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It wasn’t Kurozou that nearly broke Ace’s neck. Blackbeard karate chopped him.
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Calling it hyperbole or saying she wasn’t trying to hurt him is blatantly contradicted by her kicking him.
If you read the thread you would know she fought him offscreen, also evidenced by him having bruises in areas we didn’t see Boa kick.And she didn’t even attack him after saying that
Literally contradicting that statement and proving it’s not meant to be taken literal
Gear 4 cannot be sensed from Luffy’s base form strength. Yamato had never been on the same island as Gear 4th before, and just being near or sensing Luffy doesn’t mean they can sense his transformation.No it’s not…
She just doesn’t have to, she can just sense Luffy’s power, the same way others can sense how strong their haki is
Explain why Sengoku considering someone strong makes them 5-C.
He didn’t even hit her.
Okay but he literally never attacked her. Kurozu is not an attacking move. Pre-Timeskip Luffy was fine after it until Blackbeard slammed him into the ground. Enduring Kurozu is not a good feat.
I’m fine with scaling Boa above her suggested tiering, her being a god tier is what I have a big problem with.
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Kicking to push him away.
No proof they fought offscreen.
So you're saying because people aren't using haki... They can't sense they're haki... Again that's not how that works
An official statement saying she has so much strength that a fleet admiral considers her strong would mean she would at least be relative, otherwise she wouldn't be strong to a fleet admiral
He did.
So her enduring his grip and attack (shown with her having a bandage on her forehead) isn't a good feat...? You literally can't say he didn't attack her when she has a bandage afterwards and was bleeding from his grip also...
Luffy's one isn't even comparable as he wasn't even trying to fight him and it was pre timeskip while having a completely different goal in mind.
Well official sources does not... So you having a problem with it doesn't matter unless you bring explicit counter proof of her not scaling to 5-C
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Read the thread again istg
Actually answer the arguments I have presented instead of nu-uhs please.
Gear 4 is more than just haki, Monkey.
No, that's not how that works. He didn't say "she's strong in comparison to me" he said "she's strong." Sengoku is the 1% of One Piece characters. You can be strong without having to scale to him, just like how you can be rich without being a billionaire.
Based on?
Not instantly dying from being grabbed (which is not an attacking move unless its setting up something else) is not a good feat. We see that entire exchange once he grabs her (anime proves nothing happened before that), and he does not hit her once. The source of the wound on her head is unclear.
Blackbeard wasn't even trying to fight Hancock either. He's negotiating with her here.
They do.
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Stop only talking about sengoku and his manga statment, it's stated that she's has so much strength that even a fleet admiral considers her strong
Your example makes no sense at all, you can still scale relative to him. You wouldn't be to referred as strong then.
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How am I gonna answer something that's a complete assumption...?
read what I'm actually saying instead of nit picking my statments
Having a bandage on her forehead
When it's from a god tier trying to seriously hurt you... It is.
But the wound is still there from blackbeard... Which you've said did not hit her.
He was completely fine in trying to kill her right there and then... Again not comparable to pre timeskip luffy.
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I'm not going to continue replying to arguments that go no where, either bring explicit proof or just stop
Because it's clearly confirmed that she's a god tier of the verse
Also unless this isn't sarcastic
That wording of perfect isn't meant to be taken literal...
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Its not and your going to have to give me a few days before I drop a mega post to explain why your arguments are so dumb.
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The Amazon Lily is an island of women where "the strong are beautiful". The emperor who rules over the strong and sturdy female warriors must be the strongest and the most beautiful person.
Hancock, the current emperor of this country and the reigning captain of the Nine Snake Pirates, is truly worthy of the title, combining high fighting ability with the reputation as the most beautiful woman in the world.
. GG
It's pointless if your going to attack my argument instead of bringing actual evidence against her scaling to the god tiers/upper high tiers
Hancock, the current emperor of this country and the reigning captain of the Nine Snake Pirates, is truly worthy of the title, combining high fighting ability with the reputation as the most beautiful woman in the world.
. GG
It's pointless if your going to attack my argument instead of bringing actual evidence against her scaling to the god tiers/upper high tiers
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Monkey this statement does not prove a thing. Why is her being worthy of her title proof she's 5-C? Because that only really means her reputation isn't all talk. And no it does not mean that "she's as strong as she is beautiful" is an accurate depiction of her strength.
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because her title means you must be the strongest and the most beautiful person...
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Boa>Shanks then?
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... That's not how that works...
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It's referring to women. Let's not ignore context for the sake of our arguments.
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Attacking the oppositions argument is how you debate?
Anyway your too focused on the "strongest and most beautiful woman" part. You're missing that this is refering exclusively to who can be the Pirate Empress/Captain of the Kuja (alla, Boa is the strongest Kuja pirate/most beautiful Kuja pirate) rather than all woman in the world.
Boa>Big Mom then?
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Is Big Mom a woman?
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Not true at all.. That's not what the title means, and being a pirate or kuja pirate has nothing to do with the title also...
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Boa is not stronger than Big Mom.
Big Mom can stop Blackbeard and his entire crew pre-timeskip, where Boa isn't even in that conversation.
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What is this based on
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I assume they're referring to the statement the Five Elders made back in chapter 594, though I don't agree with their interpretation of it.
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Boa Hancock Downgrade
Boa's dialogue is definitely referred to herself and the other Warlords. Though I don't think that's necessarily a strong justification for her profile either way. Yeah. It's kinda just support, since Buggy was in that chapter too.
The empress rules over the tribe... Yes.. And?
What your trying to do and twist doesn't make sense and won't make sense... As it's referring to the strongest and most beautiful in general
It does not say; must be the strongest and the most beautiful person in the kuja tribe
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Didn't they also say that Marco and the remnants of the Whitebeard Pirates could take out Blackbeard and his crew despite them blatantly losing during the Payback War?
Also didn't Blackbeard admit that both him and his entire crew would've been wiped out if not for Koby acting like a distraction?
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But that's what its referring to.
The Amazon Lily is an island of women where "the strong are beautiful". The emperor who rules over the strong and sturdy female warriors must be the strongest and the most beautiful person.
The strong and sturdy female warriors in this context is refering to the Kuja, hence why it explains Amazon Lily's culture.
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Admittedly the Five Elders did say "... and maybe Marco the Phoenix with Whitebeard's crew."
And Blackbeard would be wiped out by an attack from Boa Hancock that nobody is immune to bar Luffy and doesn't depend on AP. Same would be true if Sugar gave him a tap.
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They also said that Big Mom could possibly beat Blackbeard and his crew.
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I know; I was just responding to the part you said about "Didn't they also say that Marco and the remnants of the Whitebeard Pirates could take out Blackbeard and his crew"
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Neither were Mihawk or any of the Navy Admirals/Fleet Admiral.
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the end isn't just referring to the kuja still... The Kanji refers to humans in general/world 人間
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