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I can’t degress if you were agreeing with my point or not because I didn’t make a point about that.
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Bleed is 5D (DC Comics)
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I can’t degress if you were agreeing with my point or not because I didn’t make a point about that.
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If the reference is to the Otherkind then the story explain it well. Upside Downman, the creator of the Otherkind, is every dark reflection to Hecate’s Light. Thus her realm formed, the opposite with the Upside Downman. Like how the Light Multiverse is encompasses by magical order, the darker Multiverse with chaotic magic. There’s no real Sphere we have in the main Multiverse but a darker reflection in the Dark Multiverse where those beings hail from.
Yes, that’s what I mean the Map is that entirety. The Dark Multiverse is outside of it where it floats on, metaphorically.
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I'm just explaining that we have to follow the storyline, where the sixth dimension and 5th dimension are above the monitor sphere (4D)
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I was just talking about at time when we get an idea of where the Monitor Sphere was before Metal Wars.
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Do not. There are too many active DC threads.
Also stop posting like 20 times, compile all what you want to say and post it in one comment.
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the derailing is crazy 
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Just saying again, I disagree
90 comic state transgeometry, this not spatial dimension
In action comic 2011, In this comic, imps are higher dimensional mathematical
Justice League 2018 comic, Mr Mxy says that the 5th dimension is not on the map, there is a bleed on the map but he says it's not there
In the same comic, he says that imagination flows throughout the realms
That means the 5th dimension rotates throughout the realms, including blendspace
Disagree
90 comic state transgeometry, this not spatial dimension
In action comic 2011, In this comic, imps are higher dimensional mathematical
Justice League 2018 comic, Mr Mxy says that the 5th dimension is not on the map, there is a bleed on the map but he says it's not there
In the same comic, he says that imagination flows throughout the realms
That means the 5th dimension rotates throughout the realms, including blendspace
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To be clear, Mxyzptlk was referring to the maps on Hawkgirls wings here.
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Justice league 2018
He's talking about maps, I see the link you sent doesn't discuss maps
We can see, he is holding the MAP and explaining that imagination flows throughout the Realms
The previous year, they had discussed the map [dark night metal 2017 issue #1]
The Multiverse is not just about physical dimensions, that is the reason why Mr Mxy said that he does not exist in the map because the map is 4 Dimensions
The proof:
Darkseid said the map was a multiversal structure
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The Map isn’t four dimensional. It’s simply showing what we can observe as something we can visits. The 5th Dimensions is not so physical and usually only the imps have access to it and as a layer of reality that covets the entire Map then technically everywhere on the Map.
The jump from the Fifth Dimension and the Multiverse is not from 4D to 5D since both the fifth and sixth dimensions are reality to higher beings not geometrical dimensions. We don’t know the actual limits to higher dimensions than just 5D. Since spatial dimensions are vectors points occupy space with directions. From what was given there’s at-least 4D-5D, and that’s not where it ends, that’s all we know so far.
The jump from the Fifth Dimension and the Multiverse is not from 4D to 5D since both the fifth and sixth dimensions are reality to higher beings not geometrical dimensions. We don’t know the actual limits to higher dimensions than just 5D. Since spatial dimensions are vectors points occupy space with directions. From what was given there’s at-least 4D-5D, and that’s not where it ends, that’s all we know so far.
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is 5 staff agreements enough 
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Hi! Please, let me chime in with some data that may be missing in these discussions.
The first missing piece is context related. The Bleed is 4-D in the Final Crisis series. However, in that series, it is a meta thing, in context, that contains the artwork itself in a literal sense. So, applying the DCU in-narrative version of Bleed from other series, with the Final Crisis version of Bleed that contains the entire DCU, is something that should not proceed onward.
Bleed 4D in Grant's series contains the entire paperverse of the DCU, it contains every dimension and every anything in any comic series. It contains the DCU, in a literal sense. When the Multiversity says Bleed is rotating in 5D, thats not the Imps 5D dimension...thats entirely a different context.
Multiversity understands that Nix alone is beyond Imagination.
This is a play on words, dimensions.
The entire DCU and every character in it is 2D in the 2D plane time
We are 3D, in Cube time, context nonfictional IRL stuff
Bleed is 4D, contains everything with a story.
Hypertime in Grants FC series is entirely the physics based version of Hypertime and not the classic DCU version that came later.
So when you see Bleed 11D later, or 5D bleed in Multiversity, you need to understand Grants context here has shifted from the Final Crisis version that contained everything, including the 3D Cube time.
I know thats confusing as hell. But that is the context. Bleed contained 2D fiction space called Plane Time, thats the entire DCU. And it also contained 3D space IRL Earth 33, nonfictional context where he said no fictional thing can go. Bleed is 4D and contains everything in the DCU.
the 5D reference is not the 5th dimension where Imps live when Nix by himself is referenced as beyond that imagation scope entirely. The usage of the word Dimension is being incorrectly asserted by some discussionists here and around comic debating forums and comment areas in general.
(Grant's Blog Post)
Context is difficult to keep between author series and it is why I always say the cosmology wiki entry's should be split. Yes, that makes it much more convoluted for the readers, but it is also a trove of honesty and full unbiased information attempts to get across to anyone reading. Those who want all the data and contexts should have access to all of it.
The issue is that the other author series, and even Grant's newer Green Lantern series, did not retain any of this context.
More so, Bleed in some series is regarded as 11D.
(sorry, the name of this comic escapes me at the moment)
In the Scott Snyder cosmology Guidebook called THE DC BOOK, this is said.
Which is alluded to here in JLA 2018
So...as I've said even prior to the end of 2018's run, Perpetua's multiverse is contained inside of Bleedspace, separated by a Source Wall she was placed into, and beyond that is the void of Bleed. The Bleed is the entire greater omniverse. We thought it was the Overvoid, the comic even denotes its the Overvoid. However, in the comic, more is learned, and the Greater Omniverse is discovered to be just more bleedspace that The Flash has been to in the past already.
One of those other continuums and past Multiverses was the COIE one that the original Anti Monitor deleted. It was still there in Hypertime and Pariah had access to it. The plot there was he was going to merge it with the N52 Multiverse and squish it, essentially making the N51 multiverse meaningless now in the wake of an infinite past Multiverse being copy and pasted into the space that contained the N52 multiverse. The end result was going to destroy the local 52 and allow the old COIE Multiverse to replace it.
Pariah had access to all of this, and the power of belief runs supreme in the Multiverse. This is why the Great Darkness was so potent, despite it coming from Pariah's mind and not being legitmate in that regard. Pariah had the totality power of belief for an infinitely large multiverse backing his Darkness. We learn in Flash Big Bang that The Flash rediscovered the locations in the Greater Omniverse and that he'd already been there.
More so, here are some older references for Hypertime.
Morrison explaining Hypertimes context and setup
Why is Hypertime important though? Because it is the opposite side of the coin to the Greater Omniverse, according to Batman's Schematics.
You can see he is speculating on what is beyond the Greater Omniverse in the chalk board area.
Whats beyond it, is more Bleedspace. We must understand that in each cosmology reset, and revision of the origins of history, the visuals of the map changes. Context even changes too depending on what realm or place we are speaking of.
In this case, at least in the Dark Crisis cosmology and "Current" era. We have discovered that Bleed > everything in the Greater Omniverse. And that even back in the older Death Metal era, the guidebooks agreed that Bleed connects and contains every multiverse in the Omniverse. Batman then discovered yep, the Greater Omniverse isn't the limit and that it's second side is Hypertime.
But all events are contains in Bleedspace, including Hypertime. We know this, 100%, because as shown and mentioned, The Flash and Lex Luthor both confirm the Greater Omniverse was a fabrication of data and an imbalance in the normal multiverse orrery that Pariah was exploiting. There was no Greater Omniverse. The Overvoid wasn't beyond the Source Wall. It was just more bleedspace.
Flash Big Bang
JL Dark Crisis
So ya. The comics make this pretty clear on what DC wants you to think and feel over Bleedspace and the Greater Omniverse. Grant's Final Crisis Bleed is meta and shouldn't even be considered for inclusion with any other series. A split needs to be made to denote the differences in context.
The newer eras, well, we thought the Overvoid was beyond the Source Wall and that the Greater Omniverse was the space in the Overvoid. We were told the Source is there, Perpetua is from there, and so on.
Turns out nope, that isn't at all what it was. That entire location beyond the Source Wall was a locked off section of Bleedspace that contained more multiverses. So Perpetua and her Source, Hands and Judges and raptor, were all entities in Bleedspace and not what they said was in the Overvoid. This is quite literally debunked by the Flash and Lex confirming the Greater Omniverse is just more Bleed. Also, again, that flash had been there in the past.
That should clarify everything. Context is the key there and its important that we let wiki readers know there is a massive meta context differential between author series using the Bleed.
The first missing piece is context related. The Bleed is 4-D in the Final Crisis series. However, in that series, it is a meta thing, in context, that contains the artwork itself in a literal sense. So, applying the DCU in-narrative version of Bleed from other series, with the Final Crisis version of Bleed that contains the entire DCU, is something that should not proceed onward.
Bleed 4D in Grant's series contains the entire paperverse of the DCU, it contains every dimension and every anything in any comic series. It contains the DCU, in a literal sense. When the Multiversity says Bleed is rotating in 5D, thats not the Imps 5D dimension...thats entirely a different context.
Multiversity understands that Nix alone is beyond Imagination.
This is a play on words, dimensions.
The entire DCU and every character in it is 2D in the 2D plane time
We are 3D, in Cube time, context nonfictional IRL stuff
Bleed is 4D, contains everything with a story.
Hypertime in Grants FC series is entirely the physics based version of Hypertime and not the classic DCU version that came later.
So when you see Bleed 11D later, or 5D bleed in Multiversity, you need to understand Grants context here has shifted from the Final Crisis version that contained everything, including the 3D Cube time.
I know thats confusing as hell. But that is the context. Bleed contained 2D fiction space called Plane Time, thats the entire DCU. And it also contained 3D space IRL Earth 33, nonfictional context where he said no fictional thing can go. Bleed is 4D and contains everything in the DCU.
the 5D reference is not the 5th dimension where Imps live when Nix by himself is referenced as beyond that imagation scope entirely. The usage of the word Dimension is being incorrectly asserted by some discussionists here and around comic debating forums and comment areas in general.
(Grant's Blog Post)
Context is difficult to keep between author series and it is why I always say the cosmology wiki entry's should be split. Yes, that makes it much more convoluted for the readers, but it is also a trove of honesty and full unbiased information attempts to get across to anyone reading. Those who want all the data and contexts should have access to all of it.
The issue is that the other author series, and even Grant's newer Green Lantern series, did not retain any of this context.
More so, Bleed in some series is regarded as 11D.
(sorry, the name of this comic escapes me at the moment)
In the Scott Snyder cosmology Guidebook called THE DC BOOK, this is said.
Which is alluded to here in JLA 2018
So...as I've said even prior to the end of 2018's run, Perpetua's multiverse is contained inside of Bleedspace, separated by a Source Wall she was placed into, and beyond that is the void of Bleed. The Bleed is the entire greater omniverse. We thought it was the Overvoid, the comic even denotes its the Overvoid. However, in the comic, more is learned, and the Greater Omniverse is discovered to be just more bleedspace that The Flash has been to in the past already.
One of those other continuums and past Multiverses was the COIE one that the original Anti Monitor deleted. It was still there in Hypertime and Pariah had access to it. The plot there was he was going to merge it with the N52 Multiverse and squish it, essentially making the N51 multiverse meaningless now in the wake of an infinite past Multiverse being copy and pasted into the space that contained the N52 multiverse. The end result was going to destroy the local 52 and allow the old COIE Multiverse to replace it.
Pariah had access to all of this, and the power of belief runs supreme in the Multiverse. This is why the Great Darkness was so potent, despite it coming from Pariah's mind and not being legitmate in that regard. Pariah had the totality power of belief for an infinitely large multiverse backing his Darkness. We learn in Flash Big Bang that The Flash rediscovered the locations in the Greater Omniverse and that he'd already been there.
More so, here are some older references for Hypertime.
Morrison explaining Hypertimes context and setup
Why is Hypertime important though? Because it is the opposite side of the coin to the Greater Omniverse, according to Batman's Schematics.
You can see he is speculating on what is beyond the Greater Omniverse in the chalk board area.
Whats beyond it, is more Bleedspace. We must understand that in each cosmology reset, and revision of the origins of history, the visuals of the map changes. Context even changes too depending on what realm or place we are speaking of.
In this case, at least in the Dark Crisis cosmology and "Current" era. We have discovered that Bleed > everything in the Greater Omniverse. And that even back in the older Death Metal era, the guidebooks agreed that Bleed connects and contains every multiverse in the Omniverse. Batman then discovered yep, the Greater Omniverse isn't the limit and that it's second side is Hypertime.
But all events are contains in Bleedspace, including Hypertime. We know this, 100%, because as shown and mentioned, The Flash and Lex Luthor both confirm the Greater Omniverse was a fabrication of data and an imbalance in the normal multiverse orrery that Pariah was exploiting. There was no Greater Omniverse. The Overvoid wasn't beyond the Source Wall. It was just more bleedspace.
Flash Big Bang
JL Dark Crisis
So ya. The comics make this pretty clear on what DC wants you to think and feel over Bleedspace and the Greater Omniverse. Grant's Final Crisis Bleed is meta and shouldn't even be considered for inclusion with any other series. A split needs to be made to denote the differences in context.
The newer eras, well, we thought the Overvoid was beyond the Source Wall and that the Greater Omniverse was the space in the Overvoid. We were told the Source is there, Perpetua is from there, and so on.
Turns out nope, that isn't at all what it was. That entire location beyond the Source Wall was a locked off section of Bleedspace that contained more multiverses. So Perpetua and her Source, Hands and Judges and raptor, were all entities in Bleedspace and not what they said was in the Overvoid. This is quite literally debunked by the Flash and Lex confirming the Greater Omniverse is just more Bleed. Also, again, that flash had been there in the past.
That should clarify everything. Context is the key there and its important that we let wiki readers know there is a massive meta context differential between author series using the Bleed.
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So
Should the Bleed be classified as 1-A due to its meta nature and the hierarchy of realities (R>F)? If the Bleed is positioned above our reality, does that imply a higher level of reality? Given the Bleed>R>F, is the Bleed considered a realer reality to our own?Hi! Please, let me chime in with some data that may be missing in these discussions.
The first missing piece is context related. The Bleed is 4-D in the Final Crisis series. However, in that series, it is a meta thing, in context, that contains the artwork itself in a literal sense. So, applying the DCU in-narrative version of Bleed from other series, with the Final Crisis version of Bleed that contains the entire DCU, is something that should not proceed onward.
Bleed 4D in Grant's series contains the entire paperverse of the DCU, it contains every dimension and every anything in any comic series. It contains the DCU, in a literal sense. When the Multiversity says Bleed is rotating in 5D, thats not the Imps 5D dimension...thats entirely a different context.
Multiversity understands that Nix alone is beyond Imagination.
This is a play on words, dimensions.
The entire DCU and every character in it is 2D in the 2D plane time
We are 3D, in Cube time, context nonfictional IRL stuff
Bleed is 4D, contains everything with a story.
Hypertime in Grants FC series is entirely the physics based version of Hypertime and not the classic DCU version that came later.
So when you see Bleed 11D later, or 5D bleed in Multiversity, you need to understand Grants context here has shifted from the Final Crisis version that contained everything, including the 3D Cube time.
I know thats confusing as hell. But that is the context. Bleed contained 2D fiction space called Plane Time, thats the entire DCU. And it also contained 3D space IRL Earth 33, nonfictional context where he said no fictional thing can go. Bleed is 4D and contains everything in the DCU.
the 5D reference is not the 5th dimension where Imps live when Nix by himself is referenced as beyond that imagation scope entirely. The usage of the word Dimension is being incorrectly asserted by some discussionists here and around comic debating forums and comment areas in general.
(Grant's Blog Post)
Context is difficult to keep between author series and it is why I always say the cosmology wiki entry's should be split. Yes, that makes it much more convoluted for the readers, but it is also a trove of honesty and full unbiased information attempts to get across to anyone reading. Those who want all the data and contexts should have access to all of it.
The issue is that the other author series, and even Grant's newer Green Lantern series, did not retain any of this context.
More so, Bleed in some series is regarded as 11D.
(sorry, the name of this comic escapes me at the moment)
In the Scott Snyder cosmology Guidebook called THE DC BOOK, this is said.
Which is alluded to here in JLA 2018
So...as I've said even prior to the end of 2018's run, Perpetua's multiverse is contained inside of Bleedspace, separated by a Source Wall she was placed into, and beyond that is the void of Bleed. The Bleed is the entire greater omniverse. We thought it was the Overvoid, the comic even denotes its the Overvoid. However, in the comic, more is learned, and the Greater Omniverse is discovered to be just more bleedspace that The Flash has been to in the past already.
One of those other continuums and past Multiverses was the COIE one that the original Anti Monitor deleted. It was still there in Hypertime and Pariah had access to it. The plot there was he was going to merge it with the N52 Multiverse and squish it, essentially making the N51 multiverse meaningless now in the wake of an infinite past Multiverse being copy and pasted into the space that contained the N52 multiverse. The end result was going to destroy the local 52 and allow the old COIE Multiverse to replace it.
Pariah had access to all of this, and the power of belief runs supreme in the Multiverse. This is why the Great Darkness was so potent, despite it coming from Pariah's mind and not being legitmate in that regard. Pariah had the totality power of belief for an infinitely large multiverse backing his Darkness. We learn in Flash Big Bang that The Flash rediscovered the locations in the Greater Omniverse and that he'd already been there.
More so, here are some older references for Hypertime.
Morrison explaining Hypertimes context and setup
Why is Hypertime important though? Because it is the opposite side of the coin to the Greater Omniverse, according to Batman's Schematics.
You can see he is speculating on what is beyond the Greater Omniverse in the chalk board area.
Whats beyond it, is more Bleedspace. We must understand that in each cosmology reset, and revision of the origins of history, the visuals of the map changes. Context even changes too depending on what realm or place we are speaking of.
In this case, at least in the Dark Crisis cosmology and "Current" era. We have discovered that Bleed > everything in the Greater Omniverse. And that even back in the older Death Metal era, the guidebooks agreed that Bleed connects and contains every multiverse in the Omniverse. Batman then discovered yep, the Greater Omniverse isn't the limit and that it's second side is Hypertime.
But all events are contains in Bleedspace, including Hypertime. We know this, 100%, because as shown and mentioned, The Flash and Lex Luthor both confirm the Greater Omniverse was a fabrication of data and an imbalance in the normal multiverse orrery that Pariah was exploiting. There was no Greater Omniverse. The Overvoid wasn't beyond the Source Wall. It was just more bleedspace.
Flash Big Bang
JL Dark Crisis
So ya. The comics make this pretty clear on what DC wants you to think and feel over Bleedspace and the Greater Omniverse. Grant's Final Crisis Bleed is meta and shouldn't even be considered for inclusion with any other series. A split needs to be made to denote the differences in context.
The newer eras, well, we thought the Overvoid was beyond the Source Wall and that the Greater Omniverse was the space in the Overvoid. We were told the Source is there, Perpetua is from there, and so on.
Turns out nope, that isn't at all what it was. That entire location beyond the Source Wall was a locked off section of Bleedspace that contained more multiverses. So Perpetua and her Source, Hands and Judges and raptor, were all entities in Bleedspace and not what they said was in the Overvoid. This is quite literally debunked by the Flash and Lex confirming the Greater Omniverse is just more Bleed. Also, again, that flash had been there in the past.
That should clarify everything. Context is the key there and its important that we let wiki readers know there is a massive meta context differential between author series using the Bleed.
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" Bleed considered a realer reality to our own?"
Yep, in Final Crisis only, though. And Grant has explained this a giggle worthy amount of times that this is the context. Its not supposed to be in the DCU, it contains the DCU and even us. Here also is a thing that Grant said about E33 and the Overvoid, how we are in it, and the Overvoid is not a reference to anything Fictional in context, but meta IRL. Please let me detail all of this, I want to be as detailed as possible for other readers here.
I think Grants Final Crisis version of this shouldn't even be included in the vs battles ranking system, but that it should be noted somewhere in the Bleed reference wiki that Grant's is actually just absurd and takes things too far into the unquantified tier.
Grants R > F context is literal. As I've mentioned a few times in other threads, Grant went to Kathmandu and had a bad (or great) drug trip and saw abstract entities that took him into higher spaces and showed him the truth of existence. He returned and wrote about them as the Nil monitors of final crisis. As Grant explains, the context of Bleed is the outside of the artwork and spill over of all stories, comics and our world included.
But, this is all a reference to IRL context Hypertime in physics M-theory, which has two tiers. That entire Superman Beyond arc was actually IRL context R>F of a nonfictional deity actually being upset with fictional verses.
Thats not the same as most other fictional context R>F, like a place within the DCU looking down into what it considers fictional flat 2d spaces, thats as different context R>F entirely. Example, the R>F of beings in The Crack (The Filth series) looking down into flat comic dimension below is inside of Plane Time, a fictional context higher space that exists within the DCU looking down at the 2D spectrum below. But that is not the same as what Grant was trying to say in the Final Crisis series with the dual layer tiers of Hypertime. It all boils down to context.
The first tier is nonfictional context objectivity, otherwise can be considered our world, the IRL deisim we pray to and abstract realms of existence that we don't know about that have an IRL context. The second tier, is the fictional imagination based potential data points that are not IRL in context, but fictional and 2D.
But as mentioned, to Grant, he considers them real too.
These are aspects of actual Mtheory and the Unified Field theory that this entire series was based on. Crack pot for sure, but a well known aspect of this real theory that other data points are actually, well...real...and things in lower dimensional spaces are just as real as us. It is also values spoken of in the Vedic Transcedental practices and Gita religious scripture (Absolute Void). The problem here is that after Grants Multiversity, DC Said NOOOOOO to all of this and chucked it right out. Not one other author stuck with it and it makes sense why DC said no to continuing that context.
In the Final Crisis version of this, the context of God is not in the fictional space of the DCU, its exterior. He calls that God The Monitor Mind, the Absolute void, and its a reference to the Absolute Void of the Vedic pracitces, and Mtheory's unified field. Its context is IRL nonfictional and it exists outside of the place that no fictional thing can go inside of Plane Time. We have proof this is Grants context for this series when he says the hand of Creation is inside of Plane Time, which is in Cube time, which is contained by Hypertime, all overseen by the entities he saw on his drug trip which became the Nil monitors of Final Crisis.
Everything Grant is talking about in this series is based on the dual tier Mtheory Hypertime, which is Cube Time and Plane Time.
The confusing part is that other authors also used hypertime aspects, but its context is actually still all fictional space stuff that would logically be contained in Grants Plane Time.
All of this in context, is referring to nonfictional abstractions of IRL Deism interacting with our fictions on Earth 33. Which is referenced in this scan from the Multiveristy. I get that some may gloss over that statement below, but this is supposed to be taken litearlly. The Nil Monitors looking down into IRL E33 our world and helping write DCU comic stories, because those entities are the IRL entities grant saw in that drug trip he had and then went home to write about.
Grant is essentially retelling the experience he had on his drug trip in the Final Crisis Superman Beyond series and explained more in the Multiveristy with what else he thought he learned from them.
So, with that in mind, if 1-A is sufficient for legitimate IRL R>F then the entire structure of Tier 0 and 1A also needs to be revised.
The current Author avatars that are ranked at high 1a and tier 0 are all still in Plane Time, so they cannot stay in tier 0 or 1a. They would have to be immensely dropped off down to high 1C or low 1B to be fair.
Grant says the Hands of Creation that forge the DCU, according to Grant in this interview in Grants version. The top abstracts of the DCU are all inside of his Plane time and nowhere near the elements beyond his Hypertime. In fact, the Plane Time 2D Source Hands who created the DCU structure are all considered actual fictional things to the deities he wrote about (the Nil Monitors). They even cite that realm below them as entirely ficticious.
The 1a structures and "characters" found in Plane Time are all contained by Cube Time. And Cube time is contained by Bleedspace and Grants Mtheory Hypertime.
Grant confirms the context in text interviews and also video interviews like these
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Where no fictional thing can escape 2D plane time
Vimeo
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And Grant isn't the only one at DC or the WB who feels this way, the authors of the Flash TV series also agree that Beyond the Source Wall lies the domain of Mandrakk and a drop of Bleedspace grants you power and ownership over the entire Omniverse beyond the Source Wall. Everything dismantled by a drop of Bleedspace. Beyond the Source Wall was supposed to be the Overvoid, yet one Drop of Bleed grants you absolute control over the entire Greater Omniverse, which is something Dark Crisis ended up confirming and that JLA 2018 only brielfy alluded to.
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If you ask me, Grants Final Crisis stuff should be excluded out of the entire ranking system but at least noted somewhere in the wiki entries that it was decided not to include the meta aspects into ranking.
However, if the site must rank it, then it should be like this:
IRL nonfictional spaces - 1B
Grants Bleed - High 1B
Grants Hypertime - Low 1A
Nil monitors - 1a
CAS/Mandrakk - High 1A
Overvoid - tier 0
Everything from 1B and up should be reserved for literal R>F locations. Author avatars dont even qualify and should be low 1B because they are also inside of Grants Plane time and if the forums here don't believe me, Grant confirms that here that the Writer author avatar and Limbo, the shared fiction wide continuity flow, are all inside of Plane time, contained by E33.
Either we include legit R>F nonfictional context, or we toss it.
I'm on board with tossing it out entirely and not ranking it. And only ranking the other authors versions of things. If we dont toss it, then I think it should look like the ranks I just gave with Grants Bleed at 1B. And it should be well documented to readers that 1B is the line for IRL nonfictional things interacting with fictional spaces. Not even normal R>F that is common in fiction, but legit context repeatedly explained insanely well documented repeating over and over throughout the course of many many years from an author that this is the case (Grant stands alone in that)
IRL nonfiction should start at 1B but that means a lot of other characters are going to drop into the 1C tier. God entities below author avatars are going to infest the 1C and low 1B tier.
The reason is, again, everything, literally everything fictional is contained in Grants Plane Time and Cube Time contains all fictional spaces. Cube Time is where no fictional thing can go to or interact with. IMO vsbattles has two ways to go about that as mentioned:
1. Revise everything and pick a placement for what is legit IRL nonfictional context stuff and what isnt. I've selected 1B to be that cut off point.
2. Ignore this entirely, (my choice) and rank Bleed and other authors versions of the Superman Beyond stuff instead, that way, you can keep the current ranks for the most part with minimal need to revise. And the only thing needed is a few sentences in a handful of Superman Beyond characters/locations/themes that denote the wiki decided not to include their meta aspects into the ranks. That saves a ton of time and headache IMO, wouldn't you agree?
Bleed contains both in Grants series, so like...all the tier 1a entities are inside of Grants 2D plane time...I know that is a lot of data and rambling, sorry. I tried to shorten this, believe it or not! lol
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This thread should be closed since we now consider the Bleed as 5D in our cosmology blog.
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