I know, I just want to cover all our bases and make it official.
Atp scale Ciens Balas (there verbatim stated 20 x faster then Ceros) and list it as attack speed with Bala
I think that by 2012 data, when the Novel was written, if we take 17.000 km as average, the distance is very massive, so 1s timeframe is by far more reasonable.
Still, for consistency, it's better to include the other time frames for "a blink of an eye."
I mean, yeah, we should. It's kind of weird that a lot of the pages don't list their attack speed with a Bala in their speed section.Atp scale Ciens Balas (there verbatim stated 20 x faster then Ceros) and list it as attack speed with Bala
It took me a while but I was reading the whole thing.
Anyway here:
"...Haha."
Zaraki and Cien glared at each other, their grins widening even further.Laughing, smirking, warping into madness—The very next instant, a massive shockwave seized control of the interior of the Garganta.
The "Gran Rey Cero" unleashed by Cien from his dozens of tentacles had collided head-on with the downward swing of Zaraki’s Zanpakuto.
Exposed to a blast radius so intense it would likely obliterate an average Hollow or Soul Reaper—There was one more person laughing a short distance away.
"Looks like fun, Ken-chan!"
Yachiru, continuously bathed in the secondary and tertiary shockwaves that followed, kept watch over the men standing at the epicenter.A ridiculous, absurd clash of pure power against power that the phrase "match for a thousand men" couldn't even begin to describe—And yet, the young girl watched it all with a bright, steady smile, as if she were simply observing children lost in play in a sandbox back in her hometown.
Zaraki's Zanpakuto swing not only was fast enough to clash with one single Cero, Zaraki reacted fast enough to swing down 12 Cero fused from Cien.
So a cero dozens times stronger than the one that merely reached outer space 100 pages prior and only at 60%.
Which Just prove what I have been saying since a day, If zaraki wouldn't scale to Cien cero he would be dead since he would not be able to neither dodge or react.
I would advise people to not make things harder than what they are, Bleach is pretty simple, Speed = Power = Reiatsu, it is like Dragon Ball.
Saying Cien cero doesn't scale to anyone, is legit non-sense.
@Dalesean027 @Nierre
Since you updated the calc with new ends, you should ask them to reevaluate to see which one is better.
This is wanting low ends for the sake of low ends, just because something is lower does not make it more accurate. There's such a thing as being too conservative
No one did this btw so glad we agree there, that'd be very weird to alter timeframe based on distance instead of being consistent about it.
You don't infact need that, I'd suggest you actually read the site rules specifically starting with the "Scaling" page. They don't need evidence of moving directly the same amount or greater distance to scale to something as there's such a thing as downscaling where even if said thing is faster, its not faster to the point where such character can't still react even if its with high effort which would at least qualify it for "at most"
Next point, using the current TL being used for the calculation:
The "blink of an eye" is in reference to it reaching outer space, why would it actually mean it took the blink of an eye to reach 20X the distance to outer space?
Has it actually been accepted by the CGMs and mods that outer space is actually "10,000 km" above the ground or something, is this a new change to how we use outer space in the wiki? (this is an actual question)
LEO and GEO were basically both around 50% in 2012, with the latter being at around 35,000 km, and you think picking 160 km makes sense?
And you did it again.
Yea it says outer space. Genuinely what are you saying, I asked if CGMs actually agree "outer space" means 10,000 km, you literally went "it actually says outer space so its not really outer space" what the hell are you even saying. I asked if outer space is now accepted as 10,000 km, that simple.
Also "reached the atmosphere"...? Gang we ARE in the atmosphere of the earth even in the surface, genuinely what are you even saying.
I'm asking them for a clarification on related stuff not on it, even though I think it is still dumb and Im not perfectly fine with wanking it to beyond 50% of the satellites on earth instead of using the most common and reliable ones that match the wording of the feat, and 1 CGM disagreed so like....? 2>1 is not enough for something to be accepted yk?
Actually, low earth orbit satellites are technically the minority of satellites in the 2012 study. They only make up about 48% of the total satellites at the time.
I'm not sure how the blast would be able to destroy an active satellite if it didn't reach outer space, but ok.
There are multiple time frames in the calculation for a reason.
I think you should read the calculation again.
Theres another type, not just LEO and GEO, MEO also exists. LEO would still be the majority of the three.
I think this is a joke considering what you said here:
But just to clarify if you actually think I said that then you gotta re-read what I said.
I meant that the "extremely quick/rapid" statement is in reference to reaching outer space, so saying the author added "it reached outer space extremely quickly" but actually meant it "reached extremely quickly onto something 20x the distance of outer space", specially when we have other options which are way more logical and consistent with the statement and story at hand is dumb.
I said CGMs seem fine with using 0.1, and I'm asking since when is that the case, that's what I'm contesting, I know luck is fine with using 1 second, I'm asking the CGMs directly why they think 0.1 second should be used.
Since you ignored it:
I didn't ignore it oh my god what are you even saying, read the message just above you.
No it wasn't that's what I literally told you in the message YOU JUST REPLIED TO.
I genuinely and I mean genuinely never said we should use 100-200 km btw, all I said about 100 km is that this is where outer space starts and that logically the satellite isn't that far away from outer space according to the statement. I had no issues with using like 500 km. I said 2000 km is dumb, simple.
100 km above ground level is already a vacuum due to how low the earth's atmosphere is, it's the whole reason why, you know, SCIENTISTS AND NASA say outer space is simply 100 km above ground level. Which is why I asked if the CGMs truly agree that outer space is actually 10,000 km above ground level now as this has been the only "counter argument" right now, which doesn't even make sense cause, again, if you are gonna use that, at that point why don't you simply use 10,000 km / 0.1 seconds to wank it even further beyond?
I know, I meant that low earth satellites are a minority compared to the total number of satellites. (You also forgot to include the highly elliptical orbit satellites).
Yes, that was a joke.
I know what you meant.
The thing is, very low earth satellites are not very common at all, at least back then (very low earth orbit is below 400 km), so I don't think your proposition makes much sense.
OK.
Thanks!
That's true in a vacuum but doesn't apply here. Again, it's about what is necessarily true. There's no reason to use higher end satellites distances here, it's completely arbitrary.
Well that doesn't make sense, logically speaking. If you dodge something that crossed a 100 m by moving an inch, you're obviously not as fast as the projectile.
Unfortunately, if you want to make a positive claim, you will need to provide evidence for why that is necessarily true. Someone poking holes in the reasoning you've used to form your argument is not making a claim, and thus, doesn't require evidence.
Wasn't it 12 GRC fused together? As opposed to 12 individual GRC. If it was 12 individual GRC from a moderate distance, I would agree with you. That certainly leans towards relative or greater combat speed.
To the total number, I guess, but if you were to pick a random satellite at random, the most probable pick would be a LEO, that's how, well, probability works.
They are the vast majority compared to every other type, so I'd say they are very common yes, and again the argument isn't about simply "what's more common, what isn't more common" but also what makes sense with the statement, which is why I brought up the fact that the "blink of an eye" is referring to it reaching outer space.
Alright you are gonna keep ignoring half the point and keep saying that I'm arguing "It's the majority so it's that!!". I won't answer you anymore until I get an actual response.
Wait, why would you disagree if they were fused together? There is no indication that fusing the Gran Rey Ceros together would make it slower, that's on you to prove. In fact, based on Bleach's in-universe mechanics, it would actually make sense for it to be faster when 12 of them are fused together, especially since it was 100% Cien firing it instead of the weaker, 60% Cien who did the satellite feat.
Ik what you mean about downscaling (and i had agreed in this case) you're referring to this part I assume, but reading the page you're suggesting also says this about scaling in relation to attacks/projectiles etc
it says "outracing", so what Deathberry wrote isn't unfounded, saying that people are making up new rules is kinda unnecessary imo
Because it falls into the relative distance problem. One GRC, that is faster by an unquantifiable amount, is shot from an unknown distance, which is also unknown relative to Zaraki's movements.
No, if you were to pick one at random, it would be more likely to be one of the 3 superior categories. Which together are LEO >, with GEO almost reaching half.
Thanks for commenting
Indeed, 3 staff votes and 2 cgm votes.
