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Bleach Revisions: Seireitei Scaling

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Ok, another things we shoud also deal are Lillie Barro, EOS Uryu and Jugram stats, Orihme supporting Ichigo against Yhwach and Goddess Yoruichi stats related to Askin.
 
Aren't Ishida and Haschwalth scaling to whatever Kenpachi's calculation turns out to be?

For Lille, if you mean his 7-A rating, I think Gwyn recalculated the feat.
 
Lille: He'd scale to a feat performed by child Hitsugaya which is City level+ (61 Megatons I think). This calc was also done by Gwyn. It'd scale to a lot of people, including Kyoraku, Ukitake, Urahara, Yoruichi, Askin.

EOS Uryu and Jugram do indeed scale from Zaraki's calc.

Orihime... I just don't know.
 
The only thing that we shoud add to her are: Her EOS apperance against Yhwach and the moves she used to support Ichigo, i believe she got stronger but how much is unknown.
 
@Soldier Blue

Okay. As long as you know what you are doing, I suppose that this should be fine then.
 
Recalculating Gremmy's Meteor Using Updated Seireitei Size

http://i.imgur.com/YiTZBea.jpg

This was the final comparison we got of the meteor and Wandenreich. The meteor appears to be much bigger here, compared to in the previous chapter, (which was used to scale the meteor in the previous calc).

Wandenreich=785 Pixels=182,337.306397306 m.

Meteor=506 Pixels=117,532.072658645 m.

Meteor Radius=58,766.0363293228 m.

http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/geometry-solids/sphere.php

Volume of meteor=8.50095676E14 m^3.

Density of meteor=3000 kg/m^3.

Mass=Volume×Density

Mass of meteor=2550287028000000000 kg.

As for the velocity of the meteor:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_gHFgdA_7...5rb-EwPFqyA78u9b2K5zogCHM/s16000/0574-008.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sbWPXNfWp...xXH-1hPuX4E_F98zH6NRwgCHM/s16000/0575-016.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FJUmJ0bld...iSRnAR8jbnbsj26m8U3K8gCHM/s16000/0578-007.png

As you can see, Gremmy's creations are all identical to their IRL counterparts and behave in such manner. The meteor he created shouldn't be any different.

Velocity=11,000 m/s

KE=1.54292365194E26 Joules

36.876760323613765991 Petatons of TNT.

Using 2,000 m/s in case the above is refuted:

KE=5.100574056E24 Joules

1.2190664569789675387 Petatons of TNT.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Why is everyone in Bleach MHS+ if Gin saying he was Mach 500 was a huge deal for Ichigo, and later Gin admited that he wasn't as fast as that.

Seems seriously inconsistent to ignore that and make everyone MHS+
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It's a lowend statement outlier. The same way Pokémon has the pokedex describe most pokemon as subsonic. This is not a big deal at all.
 
LordAizenSama said:
It's a lowend statement outlier. The same way Pokémon has the pokedex describe most pokemon as subsonic. This is not a big deal at all.
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Isn't it more likely that everyone being MHS+ is an outlier, rather than Gin's statement & his fight with Ichigo being a lowend outlier? After all Ichigo being to react at all to a Mach 500 attack in his speed-enhancing Bankai is a good feat and quite a few characters would scale to that but not every character has to scale to that because not every character is as fast as Ichigo.
 
@Piercer of Heaven

Best to either update your old blog or create a new one, so it can be evaluated and there will be something to link to in their profiles.
 
Fullbring Arc definetly needs revisions, here's the scaling:

Ginjo and Tsukishima rival each other:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tBggmRvLA...BNjMmzw_tQbyh8u3Lh2ErwCHM/s16000/0446-008.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gZuTxk0lH...q4WapKXgjIpKrLNccB5j9QCHM/s16000/0446-009.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NggaDrpqx...53SqDT35s6ophsHPLIdzgQCHM/s16000/0446-011.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2Ug66EhLQ...1tbux7SMcog5QA03-_ZVkgCHM/s16000/0446-012.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9KyV4YAH6...D54LaAuLZ0YCjV7j4JaMPgCHM/s16000/0446-013.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rYkaCtUa9...NUQPxpDeUxaXwA1E7rb51wCHM/s16000/0446-014.png

Orihime can react to, block and damage Ginjo:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UZNUgpu0v...JZppxNFsu6r34aHHZPc9YgCHM/s16000/0449-014.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1STGGbBuU...l566KdmW6lQ9QHDkQC2jDACHM/s16000/0449-015.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O71hio0xa...rGwCY_TNMaZobsz8GIp3NACHM/s16000/0449-016.png

Tsukishima can keep up with Fullbring Ichigo:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VwTzR5kpO...sF9cYTyMRUeTPipRvhE0PQCHM/s16000/0457-009.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GfymBRDy3...-jTTDc2jl9wUP6mzTt1dmgCHM/s16000/0457-012.png

Orihime can block Fullbring Ichigo and Chad can damage him:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wcqCjbkX9...QkAlgzitSYGFOygIzlKrmACHM/s16000/0456-016.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-g6vtEET4R...JvvKP_fFNZf8Pcc2075YRwCHM/s16000/0456-018.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-So1Jb2HxC...JL9QpEnDZDUCfnR7sShnqgCHM/s16000/0456-019.png

Ginjo cam tank attacks stronger than Fullbring Ichigo's Getsuga Tenshō:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-r0CcsASBB...OlrQGJVk-p8FipiaEwEU-ACHM/s16000/0460-021.png

Tsukishima can cut Byakuya, break his Senbonzakura and keep up with his Bankai:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HIj2TXVGW...mI_5o5bBsNrqo5HgHshAGwCHM/s16000/0469-001.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-32bZghVzP...cclcHP4xMrAaS3F2esyMFACHM/s16000/0472-004.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oJB4xjwYU...SDcoiGHuEC1B_vUhQ9OXEQCHM/s16000/0472-013.png

Some statements regarding Fullbring Ichigo's power:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jkynEDmHH...86Uat1VBEQO7ovs8PzeGswCHM/s16000/0452-008.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lao9zzay4...sNtipH0ZjPPmAGumnN9KMwCHM/s16000/0457-013.png

Fullbringers after absorbing some of Ichigo's Fullbring:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tgIHEvH7x...AQgQx5uR2lb1cSyfsSxYHwCHM/s16000/0462-017.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fY2FjC3Wm...dJ1EiWwdPzc2QCHM/s16000/0462-018.pngFullbring Arc definetly needs revisions, here's the scaling:

Ginjo and Tsukishima rival each other:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tBggmRvLA...BNjMmzw_tQbyh8u3Lh2ErwCHM/s16000/0446-008.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gZuTxk0lH...q4WapKXgjIpKrLNccB5j9QCHM/s16000/0446-009.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NggaDrpqx...53SqDT35s6ophsHPLIdzgQCHM/s16000/0446-011.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2Ug66EhLQ...1tbux7SMcog5QA03-_ZVkgCHM/s16000/0446-012.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9KyV4YAH6...D54LaAuLZ0YCjV7j4JaMPgCHM/s16000/0446-013.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rYkaCtUa9...NUQPxpDeUxaXwA1E7rb51wCHM/s16000/0446-014.png

Orihime can react to, block and damage Ginjo:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UZNUgpu0v...JZppxNFsu6r34aHHZPc9YgCHM/s16000/0449-014.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1STGGbBuU...l566KdmW6lQ9QHDkQC2jDACHM/s16000/0449-015.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O71hio0xa...rGwCY_TNMaZobsz8GIp3NACHM/s16000/0449-016.png

Tsukishima can keep up with Fullbring Ichigo:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VwTzR5kpO...sF9cYTyMRUeTPipRvhE0PQCHM/s16000/0457-009.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GfymBRDy3...-jTTDc2jl9wUP6mzTt1dmgCHM/s16000/0457-012.png

Orihime can block Fullbring Ichigo and Chad can damage him:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wcqCjbkX9...QkAlgzitSYGFOygIzlKrmACHM/s16000/0456-016.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-g6vtEET4R...JvvKP_fFNZf8Pcc2075YRwCHM/s16000/0456-018.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-So1Jb2HxC...JL9QpEnDZDUCfnR7sShnqgCHM/s16000/0456-019.png

Ginjo cam tank attacks stronger than Fullbring Ichigo's Getsuga Tenshō:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-r0CcsASBB...OlrQGJVk-p8FipiaEwEU-ACHM/s16000/0460-021.png

Tsukishima can cut Byakuya, break his Senbonzakura and keep up with his Bankai:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HIj2TXVGW...mI_5o5bBsNrqo5HgHshAGwCHM/s16000/0469-001.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-32bZghVzP...cclcHP4xMrAaS3F2esyMFACHM/s16000/0472-004.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oJB4xjwYU...SDcoiGHuEC1B_vUhQ9OXEQCHM/s16000/0472-013.png

Some statements regarding Fullbring Ichigo's power:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jkynEDmHH...86Uat1VBEQO7ovs8PzeGswCHM/s16000/0452-008.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lao9zzay4...sNtipH0ZjPPmAGumnN9KMwCHM/s16000/0457-013.png

Fullbringers after absorbing some of Ichigo's Fullbring:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tgIHEvH7x...AQgQx5uR2lb1cSyfsSxYHwCHM/s16000/0462-017.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fY2FjC3Wm...ppsnwc-hZdJ1EiWwdPzc2QCHM/s16000/0462-018.png
 
@Piercer Because it makes no sense, for example how do you quantify a bankai that is purely hax. Also Yamas bankai is way more powerful than his shikai to absurd degrees. Theres probably more cases but yeah, you get the gist

@Damage we actually have a discussion rule about Gins bankai because the topic is so repetitive. The whole gin lying about his bankai speed and so on.
 
LordAizenSama said:
@Piercer Because it makes no sense, for example how do you quantify a bankai that is purely hax. Also Yamas bankai is way more powerful than his shikai to absurd degrees. Theres probably more cases but yeah, you get the gist
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I always saw hax Bankai as exceptions. Yamamoto's Bankai is only absurdly higher than his Shikai because of calcs and they don't necessarily contradict in1verse concepts. However, should we ignore the entire concept, just because a few aren't conventional?
 
@Piercer Yamamotos bankai is stated to be able to destroy soul society if used for too long. It's not just calcs (Not that just because we use calcs makes it unusable as evidence, its the opposite)

It would also be way too hard to quantify and speculative as to what the 10x stronger is referring to. Is it just their speed? Power? Both? If it's both how much do you attribute to the speed and power? 70% of the 10x power increase multiplier and 30% to speed? Does that bankai also use some hax like Gins and Uraharas? And if so how do you factor that in? Or are the shikai purely hax like Aizens or Shinjis? Or is it 10x every stat?

Theres so many variables and problems, it's insane.

That's why I don't want to use it
 
@LAS

Would you be willing to write an explanation for why we do not use Bankai multipliers in the Bleach verse page?
 
I can do so later. Probably a good idea aswell considering screwattack recently abused it to disgusting degrees in their most recent deathbattle
 
Thats is why it is a problem @Js. They wanked it in the video. Just because they admitted to doing so won't stop people from using it or suggesting it (I didnt watch the actual deathbattle but I dont think they would of said they wanked ichigo in the actual video, so many people probably wouldn't of even known, anyway)
 
They did actually specifically saying they deliberately overestimated Him in the Video for the sake of argument
 
Blanked said:
You better don't downgrade the best girl in bleach is what I think lol.
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That rating has no justification, she never perfomermed feats in that range in that form since she only damages someone with unknown dura.
 
It's because Pre Auswahlen Askin could use The Deathdealing to take an attack from Nimaiya the first time, but Post Auswahlen Askin couldn't do the same when Yoruichi attacked him.

Nimaiya did defeat him successfully after that though.
 
https://www.narutoforums.org/xfa-blog-entry/bleach-feat-14-komamuras-tengen.22013/

This calc uses a stand height of 46.08 m, while the stand height we use is 101 m. This means the length, width and depth are 2.19184027777777 times bigger than what is scaled in the above calc.

Length=433.925852864583 m

Width=115.962816840277 m

Depth=167.165301649305 m

Volume=4,205,817.48921460 m^3

Applying pulverisation:

901516978813150.28658783019815303826915185546875 Joules

215.46772916184278301 Kilotons of TNT

Large Town level Shikai Komamura.
 
@piercer we need all of these in a blog, we can just credit nf for the calc on them

Also we need to change Ichigo and Aizen to 5-B, and change Yhwachs dura. We agreed to do this awhile ago but no-ones been bothered to change it.
 
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