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Bleach Revisions Part 2: Arrancar Arc

The Visoreds multiplier still isn't consistent with the 5x accepted boost, but is is far better than it was before. I'd like to hear more from others before I give my final opinion.
 
Kidkinsey said:
face and arm burns is more then minimal damage he was visiablly charred and unable to stand
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Yeah, minimal damage. Bleach characters and specifically Soul Reapers can withstand way more damage than regular Humans can and keep fighting e.g Ichigo being conscious whilst almost bisected, Kenpachi being stabbed a dozen times ontop of multiple other injuries, a bit of burning around his arms (Keep in mind he was already burned to a degree before tanking his own flames) is minimal.

Unable to stand or not wanting to? You do realize that he feigned being extremely injured and unconscious so Aizen would lower his guard and Yamamoto could use hado 96? Regardless, I don't think tanking is a requirement for his durability to scale to the attack, he survived and was even able to use Hado 96 immedietly after.
 
Why is it unnecessary? Yamamoto is in this thread, if somebody has an issue with his rating then it needs to be discussed...
 
I think they are arguing over the word "tank". If you guys have such a problem with using it I could change it but it doesn't change that it scales to his dura.
 
Wrath Of Itachi said:
The Visoreds multiplier still isn't consistent with the 5x accepted boost, but is is far better than it was before. I'd like to hear more from others before I give my final opinion.
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5x isn't what was accepted.

What was accepted is that Bankai, Resurreccion, Hollowfication, and Vollstandig are at least 5x, but could and can be higher depending on scaling and the characters.

This is why Ichigo gets x 5 to all stats in his Bankai and Byakuya's Bankai gives no multiplier.

I think you misunderstood the multiplier thread or didn't participate in it.
 
Because this justification is already on the profile it's just a tier change. from what I'm seeing y'all just arguing about the word tank and what level of damage means tank.
 
Well then you're seeing wrong because I straight up said "Regardless, I don't think tanking is a requirement for his durability to scale to the attack, he survived and was even able to use Hado 96 immedietly after."
 
Can't remember the Ayon bit, but pretty sure the Liuentenants couldn't do anything to it (which makes sense when you think that this thing beat the crap out of Vollstandich Quilge).

Tosen had left his guard down because of his arrogance, Hisagi even states this IIRC.

Edit: I'm also ok with the changes.
 
Hisagi knocked him back and according to the tres bestias it was a good hit and did some damage.

I don't think Tosen's hairs being down is that significant.

And he should at least scale to his speed. Also because he tagged Ayon and intercepted him.

Based on his interactions with Ayon him being TWBY arc fullbring Shikai Ichigo level or higher is reasonable.
 
He also physically dragged him away from Komamura before he went resurrecion.

I'm fine with him not completely scaling but he should somewhat scale.
 
if so shouldnt all espadas have AP of country level as they can all use gran rey cero, which has been banned from using in las noches as it can destroy it?
 
You're missing like quite a lot of multipliers.

These are all the multipliers that have been accepted on the multiplier thread.

2x multiplier: Post-2nd Resurrection Bankai Ichigo Shihakushou, Yammy Resurrección 2nd Form

5x multiplier: Gentei Kaijou, Bankai, Resurrección, Hollowfication, Vollständig, Hisagi's Shikai

7x multiplier: Kenpachi's Shikai

10x multiplier: Buto Renjin, Yammy's Resurrección, Mask's Star Crest, Cero Oscuras, Segunda Etapa (Only if Lanza is not accepted due to outlier)

Unknown multiplier: Kenpachi's eyepatch
 
@Zoro: Las Noches isn't accepted as Country size so no not every Espada gets Country level with GRC.

The calc for Lanza isn't accepted and if it did it'll probably be an outlier.

@Peter: For the 2x multiplier I used it

For the 5x multiplier I used Hollowfication and Bankai for Ichigo (unless you can think of someone else that gets it). What makes Hisagi get 5x? The rest are for the TYBW revisions.

For the 7x multiplier is for the TYBW revisions.

For the 10x multiplier I used Buto Renjin. Resurrección Yammy scales to Oscuras so no need to. Oscuras has a calc and Segunda is unknown since Lanza's calc isn't accepted or might be an outlier. Mask's Star Crest is for the TYBW revisions.
 
Just looked over the proposed profiles right now. And now I have to say wtf. Are you actually scaling Yammy above Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra and directly to Full Hollow Ichigo?
 
i think speed is wrong as aaroniero was able to move out of the way before the light from aizens artificial sun touched him , as he would have given a reaction if i did touch him, and his face was darkened
 
I'll respond later in a couple of hours when I have time. I have quite a lot of questions about this times revision.
 
5x isn't what was accepted.

What was accepted is that Bankai, Resurreccion, Hollowfication, and Vollstandig are at least 5x, but could and can be higher depending on scaling and the characters.

This is why Ichigo gets x 5 to all stats in his Bankai and Byakuya's Bankai gives no multiplier.

I think you misunderstood the multiplier thread or didn't participate in it.

Thats ridiculous, that just leads to cherry picking the multiplier to best fit with the scaling.
 
........... oof. Reading this, I realised that I also have some issues with the SS arc one too. Ah whatever, I'll address those some other time.

  • R1 Grimmjow and Visored Training Hollow Mask Bankai Ichigo should be High 6-C as the latter no sold GRC. Their other forms would back scale from there as Ichigo only ever fought people who stomped him or exist in a vacuum in regards to scaling so this eliminates the lower end for each form he has.
  • Arrancars should have the "higher with Hierro" removed as it's a passive ability and all their feats are done with Hierro anyway.
  • R1 Ulq and those who scale to him should be "Low 6-B, 6-B with Cero Oscuras" as their normal attacks would only scale to a tenth of the Oscuras calc.
  • How exactly is Nnoitra's "strongest Hierro" statement being taken exactly? Are we saying this only refers to his base Hierro or to his R1 Hierro as well? Because the latter leads to circular scaling.
  • Where does Yammy's 6-B dura come from? It has no reasoning (which makes sense as his only feat is Kenny and Byakuya no diffing him by accident) so I would assume that it comes from the usual scaling of AP = dura?
  • Should 10% R1 Findor (and thus Shikai Hisagi) not be scaling to 7-A in general?
Will probably think of more questions later.
 
Um .... Wrath, he says in the scan you posted that Bankai is at least x5 and Resurrección (and all the other stuff) is x5 via scaling to it. Context shows the x5 means at least x5.
 
At least 5x doesn't mean you can use 10x to scale. It means it's a 5x multiplier but it can be higher. The accepted value is 5x.
 
Where is x10 being used (that doesn't have an accepted multiplier for it)?

That being said, based on your convo with IMade, what is your problem exactly? The topic seems to be about the Visoreds but all of them use x5.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
........... oof. Reading this, I realised that I also have some issues with the SS arc one too. Ah whatever, I'll address those some other time.
  • R1 Grimmjow and Visored Training Hollow Mask Bankai Ichigo should be High 6-C as the latter no sold GRC. Their other forms would back scale from there as Ichigo only ever fought people who stomped him or exist in a vacuum in regards to scaling so this eliminates the lower end for each form he has.
  • Arrancars should have the "higher with Hierro" removed as it's a passive ability and all their feats are done with Hierro anyway.
  • R1 Ulq and those who scale to him should be "Low 6-B, 6-B with Cero Oscuras" as their normal attacks would only scale to a tenth of the Oscuras calc.
  • How exactly is Nnoitra's "strongest Hierro" statement being taken exactly? Are we saying this only refers to his base Hierro or to his R1 Hierro as well? Because the latter leads to circular scaling.
  • Where does Yammy's 6-B dura come from? It has no reasoning (which makes sense as his only feat is Kenny and Byakuya no diffing him by accident) so I would assume that it comes from the usual scaling of AP = dura?
  • Should 10% R1 Findor (and thus Shikai Hisagi) not be scaling to 7-A in general?
Will probably think of more questions later.
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i think 6B for yammy comes from him tanking ichigos getsuga tensho at hollow form, while ichigo at bankai with half power was said to be on the same level as the captains based on what unohana said and the mask is stronger than that , and the captains have country AP for most of them so 6B dura yammy makes sense
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
What was accepted is that Bankai, Resurreccion, Hollowfication, and Vollstandig are at least 5x, but could and can be higher depending on scaling and the characters.

This is why Ichigo gets x 5 to all stats in his Bankai and Byakuya's Bankai gives no multiplier.

I think you misunderstood the multiplier thread or didn't participate in it.
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This is what im referring to, the Visoreds stats go from Low 6-B to 6-B which is far higher than the 5x boost in the description for their justification.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
But that same Masked Ichigo with double the power is Low 6-B so that doesn't add up.
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that should be revised imo if the captains are getting to 6B
 
I think you misunderstood something.

Rojuro Otorobashi

Attack Potency: Small Country level (Should be comparable to Love. Stated by Starrk that his cero isn't enough to defeat Rojuro, which is an order of magnitude lower than Cero Oscuras), Country level with Hollowfication (Rojuro's Hollow Mask multiplies his stats by 5, also, according to Aizen, hollowfication allows Shinigami to reach power levels far surpassing that of either a Hollow or a Shinigami)

Oscuras is 33.66 teratons, base R1 Cero is 3.366 teratons. The Base Visoreds scale to the latter. Their 6-B comes from the 3.366 getting a x5 amp which equals 16.83 teratons. No one said they scale directly to Starrk when R1 Starrk beat both of them at the same time and still went on to barely lose to Shunsui.
 
ichigo should be higher than low 6B as ishin who is given 6B couldnt sense transcending aizens reiatsu while ichigo could
 
plus can someone explain why las noches isnt accepted as at least country sized? as we have seen its curves before it should be large af
 
yeah my plan wasnt to downgrade his durablity from country or anything, its just the way it was worded made it seem like he can casually take attacks at that level when that didnt appear to be the case atleast imo
 
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