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We'll handle the Captain levels and other Sternritter for now. Yhwach is a whole different headache. And besides, one of his feats still needs a calc.
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Jugram scales above Kenpachi's feat.Dr.Fix said:
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How does Jugram scale above Kenpachi's feat exactly?
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Jugram dominated Uryu who could pierce True Shikai Ichigo and block his attacks. True Shikai Ichigo should be stomping any Kenpachi.Damage3245 said:
Jugram can also use The "Almighty" while Yhwach cannot until he regains his full strength.
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How is True Shikai Ichigo stomping that version of Kenpachi? I'm pretty sure Uryu and Ichigo were never fighting each other seriously seeing as Uryu was still on Ichigo's side.Piercer of Heaven said:
Also, Jugram using the Almighty is not base Jugram, and I'm not sure why it would affect his AP / durability.
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@Damage3245 Because he scales to his Post-Dangai self, who is above Transcendent. Weak argument. Ichigo isn't going to let himself be pierced.
Read my comment again, please. What you stated has nothing to do with what I said.
Read my comment again, please. What you stated has nothing to do with what I said.
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And why are the statistics being changed so hastily?
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You're the one who brought up Jugram using the Almighty. You also haven't explained how Ichigo's Post-Dangai self is stomping Shikai Kenpachi.Piercer of Heaven said:
Simply stating something without providing the reasoning isn't good scaling.
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@Damage3245 Last time I'm going to repeat this.
Yhwach needs a certain amount of power to use The "Almighty", Jugram already has enough power to do so. That's not even the main reason, the fact is, Jugram dominated Uryu who scales to True Shikai Ichigo for piercing him.
Post-Dangai Ichigo is Transcendent to Transcendent Aizen, who is Transcendent to Shingami and Hollow. Kenpachi at best is only reaching Transcendent levels and that's questionable.
Yhwach needs a certain amount of power to use The "Almighty", Jugram already has enough power to do so. That's not even the main reason, the fact is, Jugram dominated Uryu who scales to True Shikai Ichigo for piercing him.
Post-Dangai Ichigo is Transcendent to Transcendent Aizen, who is Transcendent to Shingami and Hollow. Kenpachi at best is only reaching Transcendent levels and that's questionable.
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^Another valid reason.
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No need to be flippant because somebody is questioning your scaling logic. I've not seen a canonical source on Jugram needing to match Yhwach's level of power in order to use the Almighty. As far as I've seen, being Yhwach's other half makes Jugram automatically recieve the Almighty whenever Yhwach sleeps. That's not evidence for scaling Jugram to Yhwach's level.Piercer of Heaven said:
That whole Transcendent thing is wonky as well. That by itself isn't justification for saying Ichigo is automatically > Shikai Kenpachi. Unless Askin Naak Le Varr is Transcendent too since he beat Ichigo?
Asking also needs to be updated too since his scaling comes from Bazz-B it seems: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Askin_Nakk_Le_Vaar
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Now that Kenpachi's profile has been adjusted with the Country level rating, should the others be like Ichigo, Yhwach, etc?
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Patience. I'm dealing with other profiles right now.
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Okay, thanks. Just wanted to check.
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Huh?AppleLord said:
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@AppleLord, Kenpachi was offscreen when Yama activated his Bankai and was never shown again being in the actual vicinity during Yhwach's and Yama's fight. We never see him being close to Yama in Bankai form, so using Royd Loyd's feat for that is questionable.
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If you mean Gwyn's 60+ Megaton calc, that was in Bankai.Dr.Fix said:
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The thing is, that calc is taking into account Royd's distance from Yama, right? We never actually see Kenpachi be close to Yama. That's what I find suspicious about the whole thing. Also, it's a pretty huge leap from Mountain Level+ to Large Island level without any known power-ups in-between...
Also, both Royd and Kenpachi are now 6-C according to this, but Royd was able to easily stomp Kenpachi without his eyepatch?
Also, both Royd and Kenpachi are now 6-C according to this, but Royd was able to easily stomp Kenpachi without his eyepatch?
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^ Yeah. I'm confused myself.
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Damage3245 said:
The distance is the same. When Yamomoto launches himself forward and Royd/Yhwach dodges is the same spot where Royd let go of Kenpachi's body. His body is just not shown on panel.
Kenpach is Mountain level+ with his eyepatch on, he didn't had the eye-patch when he fought Royd.
We don't know if he stomp him, the whole battle was off-screen and Kenpachi lost at full power against him.
Been in the same tier doesn't mean they are equal in power.
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