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I will take no part of that again. So do as you please.ProfessorKukui4Life said:We still need to discuss Yhwach though (yes I'm reminding everyone of this so it isn't just shoved under the rug)
But it's definitely in need of a new thread to talk about it.
Jugram can be figure out with Yammoto's Bankai as well. I need his height, mass and the meters he was away from Yamomoto. I'll ask Dariel Senju, if he can help me with that.Dr.Fix said:We still need to figure Haschwalth's level as well before we can edit both his and Cang Du's.
No. Calcs were already accepted and are correct. I'm sorry if you don't like the result.Dr.Fix said:^Someone else will have to do this one (LOCKED)
Jugram scales above Kenpachi's feat.Dr.Fix said:We still need to figure Haschwalth's level as well before we can edit both his and Cang Du's.
Jugram dominated Uryu who could pierce True Shikai Ichigo and block his attacks. True Shikai Ichigo should be stomping any Kenpachi.Damage3245 said:How does Jugram scale above Kenpachi's feat exactly?
How is True Shikai Ichigo stomping that version of Kenpachi? I'm pretty sure Uryu and Ichigo were never fighting each other seriously seeing as Uryu was still on Ichigo's side.Piercer of Heaven said:Jugram dominated Uryu who could pierce True Shikai Ichigo and block his attacks. True Shikai Ichigo should be stomping any Kenpachi.
Jugram can also use The "Almighty" while Yhwach cannot until he regains his full strength.
You're the one who brought up Jugram using the Almighty. You also haven't explained how Ichigo's Post-Dangai self is stomping Shikai Kenpachi.Piercer of Heaven said:@Damage3245 Because he scales to his Post-Dangai self, who is above Transcendent. Weak argument. Ichigo isn't going to let himself be pierced.
Read my comment again, please. What you stated has nothing to do with what I said.
AppleLord said:I need someone to UNLOCK:
Yamamoto
Kenpachi
to update them.
Jugram has already been updated, so is Uryu, Unohana and Royd Loyd.Dr.Fix said:Jugram AP scales to at least YHWH's at 611. He destroyed Tensa Zangetsu while YHWH (though dominant) did not.
No need to be flippant because somebody is questioning your scaling logic. I've not seen a canonical source on Jugram needing to match Yhwach's level of power in order to use the Almighty. As far as I've seen, being Yhwach's other half makes Jugram automatically recieve the Almighty whenever Yhwach sleeps. That's not evidence for scaling Jugram to Yhwach's level.Piercer of Heaven said:@Damage3245
Last time I'm going to repeat this.
Yhwach needs a certain amount of power to use The "Almighty", Jugram already has enough power to do so. That's not even the main reason, the fact is, Jugram dominated Uryu who scales to True Shikai Ichigo for piercing him.
Post-Dangai Ichigo is Transcendent to Transcendent Aizen, who is Transcendent to Shingami and Hollow. Kenpachi at best is only reaching Transcendent levels and that's questionable.
Yhwach said that Shikai Ichigo = Dangai Ichigo Bankai (NOT MUGETSU) in power. He scales to that form.Damage3245 said:That whole Transcendent thing is wonky as well. That by itself isn't justification for saying Ichigo is automatically > Shikai Kenpachi. Unless Askin Naak Le Varr is Transcendent too since he beat Ichigo?
Asking also needs to be updated too since his scaling comes from Bazz-B it seems: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Askin_Nakk_Le_Vaar
Huh?AppleLord said:The hunger to go after Yhwach needs a bit of salt...
Royd/Yhwach laydown Kenpachi next to him when Yamamoto use Bankai they never left the scene, and Kenpachi himself said in the SS Arc that his reiatsu leaks from his body unconsciously since he has no control over it. That's why he uses the eye patch.Damage3245 said:@AppleLord, Kenpachi was offscreen when Yama activated his Bankai and was never shown again being in the actual vicinity during Yhwach's and Yama's fight. We never see him being close to Yama in Bankai form, so using Royd Loyd's feat for that is questionable.
If you mean Gwyn's 60+ Megaton calc, that was in Bankai.Dr.Fix said:Wait I'm confused; wasn't shikai Toshiro calculated as city level+?
Damage3245 said:The thing is, that calc is taking into account Royd's distance from Yama, right? We never actually see Kenpachi be close to Yama. That's what I find suspicious about the whole thing. Also, it's a pretty huge leap from Mountain Level+ to Large Island level without any known power-ups in-between...
Also, both Royd and Kenpachi are now 6-C according to this, but Royd was able to easily stomp Kenpachi without his eyepatch?
Soldier Blue said:If you mean Gwyn's 60+ Megaton calc, that was in Bankai.Dr.Fix said:Wait I'm confused; wasn't shikai Toshiro calculated as city level+?
Damage3245 said:The thing is, that calc is taking into account Royd's distance from Yama, right? We never actually see Kenpachi be close to Yama. That's what I find suspicious about the whole thing. Also, it's a pretty huge leap from Mountain Level+ to Large Island level without any known power-ups in-between...
Also, both Royd and Kenpachi are now 6-C according to this, but Royd was able to easily stomp Kenpachi without his eyepatch?