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Bleach MHS Ratings

EliminatorVenom

EliminatorVenom

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Just curious, why are they MHS?

It's been a while since I last saw Bleach profiles, but before, the pre-Thousand Year War arc characters were all High Hypersonic, afaic. Now they are MHS+, and I'd like to know why.
 
I literally just went throught the entire pages and the accepted calcs, couldnt find any calcs. Honestly our bleach pages have been an absolute mess since we change the speeds at this point every month.

But we do have mach 1000-3500 end of series bleach cuz of quincy calcs Not sure about before though.
 
@Sins

Exactly. I went through the calcs, and while in the past I've seen some MHS (Not MHS+) calculations, they weren't accepted. I have seen no MHS+ calcs for the early characters.
 
It's because it was determined that senior captains like Yamamoto didn't grow stronger unlike others like Rukia and such, so MHS+ was applied to their pre-timeskip versions.
 
There's a lightning dodging feat (calc here) for some fodder Sternritter that scales to pretty much every Sternritter and everyone on the level of a captain (including captain levels who did not get stronger after the time-skip and one who even got weaker). I believe that there are two other calcs on the OBD pegging Bleach even before the last arc in the Mach 250 to 600 range.
 
@Burning

Isn't it possible that they trained before the arc happened? I may be making a bad comparison, but despite Fate characters being supposedly on the same universe and sometimes being literally the same characters (And thus, there being no real reason to not scale them to each other) they are still treated as different per Fate version due to vastly different feats. And also Naruto, where adult characters are often significantly higher-tiered than their previous versions, despite there being no in-screen shown training?
 
Well, I dunno about Fate characters but senior captains don't train and Yamamoto was stated to grow weaker or something like that. Iirc, the same was going to be done for the adult characters in Naruto but nothing has happened yet.
 
Even Yamamoto? Whom Yhwach stated was a shadow of his former self? And it doesn't make sense for literally everyone and their mother in the verse to get twenty to forty times as fast in just 17 months.

Fate: Can't comment since I'm not familiar.

Naruto: Wait, what?

Also, please don't bring other verses into this. If you have a problem with those ratings, make content revision threads specifically related to those verses.
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
Well, I dunno about Fate characters but senior captains don't train and Yamamoto was stated to grow weaker or something like that. Iirc, the same was going to be done for the adult characters in Naruto but nothing has happened yet.
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Oh right. Naruto is currently in the process of a revision. Guess we just have to wait.
 
Even then, things like Naruto's Ashura Mode and Sasuke's perfect Susano don't have showings, but are entirely possible that they have, since those abilities are just normal abilities, and yet, at least in Naruto's case, they refuse to add it in because there's no evidence he can do it again. Which is like saying there's no evidence that Ichigo could use his Hollow mask after he got his Hollow powers back (I don't recall him using his Hollow Mask after he got his Zanpakuto's back. So... If he did, pretend he didn't.)
 
@Soldier

Not trying to "bring other verses in". I'm just mentioning similar cases.

And getting that many times faster in just 17 months isn't something out of ordinary in fiction. I could mention plenty of times where things like that happen in fiction, but again, you said for me not to bring other verses into this.
 
Is there at least a note I missed related to this issue on the verse page? Also, I find it kinda weird we just applied it to Ichigo as well.

If we are going by the logic that the captains never or rarely train, fine.

But what about Ichigo from which the start of the series has always been improving and training?

I can probably say 10 percent of bleach is him training or fightng in some aspect. If we bring him into this narrative, then I dont see it at all. So he has been MHS+ from the end of the soul society arc onward, despite all the training in between?

I dont know, I find that far fetched at best. Then again, bleach is filled with pis.
 
@Soldier Blue

Here's a question:

If all of Bleach speed wise is scaled out of a feat done by a fodder which outclasses all previous speed feats by more powerful characters.

Is it an outlier?
 
EliminatorVenom said:
Not trying to "bring other verses in". I'm just mentioning similar cases.
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Sorry. Guess I overreacted because I've seen it happen so many times and lead to derailment.

Matthew Schroeder said:
Is it an outlier?
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Well they're fodder only by the last arc's standards. They're still captain level. And I think there are two or three other MHS calcs (two pertaining to pre-skip I think).

Okay I went to Ichigo's OBD profile to look for that Mach 500 to 600 calc for pre-skip Bleach. Link is dead.

Anyway, that is MHS and not MHS+ and the link is dead so now I'm lost. If someone can find the calc, that would be great. And I wonder if we'd have to change up pre-skip Bleach's speed stats again now. Sigh.
 
We agreed that it was stupid to keep the speed stats different between arcs when they didn't powerup or change in power at all.

There was a thread somewhere and it was unanimous.
 
That's not the argument at hand.

The argument is that:

A) There are no speed feats that are MHS+ until the last arc

B) Mach 500 is considered ridiculously impressive by characters in the Soul Society Arc.

So is MHS+ Fodders an outlier?

Castlevania has a fodder fish that would scale to everyone doing an Infinite speed feat. I obviously don't use that because it's beyond what even the god-tiers do.
 
i don't think it is, there not fodder per say, i mean mennias was able to smash kenpachi (albeit a injured one) to the ground, and candice even matched a causal gestuga from ichigo to
 
It a low end statement author outlier. Like Hit being supersonic. What we are shown > what we are told. Otherwise we have things like Large Island Ulquiorra and probably large country gremmy due to Seireiei size mentionings.

We know they were fast, it was just unquantifiable speed vlitzing over and over.

Shes not fodder persay she is captain level, just fodder to the top tiers like ichigo and such.

OBD accepts them as MHS+ aswell and they downplay tf out of bleach, mind you.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
I think OBD is more accurate with Bleach than us, actually. Their definition of what MHS+ is is different than ours. Our MHS is their MHS+.
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Actually Ichigo profile here has the plus in all of his stats.
 
You should look at the bleach verse deacription page. It is laughable how biased and bad it is.

Actually I forgot that bleach captains are mhs there, but we have the exact same calc as theirs, we just used different values for speed of lightning.

Regardless the reason why we dont use mach 500 ichigo is because we accept scaling between arcs because they didnt change in power.
 
As I have stated before, some (if not most) of the Bleach calculations need to be re-done here again, just to check if the AP and speed settings for the characters here are correct or not.

Anyways, the Bleach profiles over there have not been updated for years now, and are horribly outdated. We might as well rely on our own calculations for any questions regarding AP/Speed instead of relying on them.
 
I know which calc we are talking about.

I just showed why Bleach is MHS to MHS+ in the OBD, which is through different calcs.
 
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