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Aizen only has shown those abilities whiles in his Hogyoku transformed states so their no reason to believe he would've have them when he's in one of his weaker forms, especially Explosion Manipulation since he only gains that in his 5th fusion against Dangai Ichigo.….. TK? Explosion manip? Aizen has both of those so why not them instead of gravity manip in this situation which you can’t actually prove he used against Tosen.
But if you agree that Aizen can use his Telekinesis offensively then i'll be willing to drop this point since Telekinesis is just a subset of what Gravity Manipulation is and such would have comparable properties to each other including the applying of pressure which is my main evidence with the Gravity Manipulation point.
The Tatsuki comparison between Aizen and Yammy aren't analogous to each other since the Yammy situations has a lot more factors compounding it in comparison to Aizen.Tatsuki also collapsed by Yammy, are we saying he also has gravity manip and not because her soul was being erased? Cuz she had the same breathing issues as Grimm.
1: Yammy doesn't have prior feats that point to him having Gravity Manipulation while Aizen does with the Grimmjow and Tosen feats.
2: The reason why Tatsuki was forced to the ground in the Yammy situation was explain to us to be two specific things, Yammy's Gonzu draining most of her soul and Yammy's Reiatsu crushing her soul while Aizen's is up to interpretation since no direct statement is made to us about what Aizen was doing to Tatsuki.
Yeah that doesn't disprove what i'm asserting since...yaknow applying increase pressure onto someone that hasn't experienced that level of pressure would massively hamper their breathing since that pressure is also pressing onto their lungs.
Just because Reiatsu on this Wiki has a couple accepted effects doesn't mean what i'm asserting is more headcanon since what is shown in the Manga has more priority then what is accepted on this website.Calling it gravity manip is headcanon when what happens can be explained by what soul crush already has.
Bruh their is no way you can watch that video and come back to me and say the reason why Grimmjow fell was because he ran out of breath. He's physically trying to force himself to keep standing against Aizen's Reiatsu but he can't since the pressure of it was too much hence why he felled. the reason he is having trouble breathing is because he's experiencing a high level of pressure then what his body is used to which is backed up by the fact of Grimmjow physically fighting against Aizen's Reiatsu.No. That is not what I said at all. Grimmjow had trouble breathing and struggled to keep standing, hence his shaky stance which caused his clothes to move.
It is an assumption in that situation since Aizen only declares that statement when he's fighting against the entire Gotei 13 and the Vizards while in the Tosen situation he was only fighting against Shinji, Again that takes more of an assumption then what i'm assuming since Aizen wasn't actively looking nor pointing at Tosen and Sho has a small shock wave that is created when it strikes something and that shock wave wasn't present when Tosen died. So with all the available evidence we have with this feat it points to my assertion being more correct then your assertion. Never was a contention i brought up so that doesn't matter to the conversation.Aizen using KS is not an assumption when he all but tells us that he was using it the whole time. He could have done anything with that shit up when no one there can actually tell what he was doing. Him using Hado 1 is only one assumption and doesn’t require the use of KS as its invisible (just like your “gravity manip”) and we know that people can use Kido without saying anything such as when Hachi repaired Tsubaki, Yama knocking out Momo, Unohana healing anyone etc etc.
Hell, since you want to use the anime for proof despite it being secondary canon, another knock against it being RC is that we don’t see the visual effect of RC that the anime always gives us when Tosen dies
That's such an none-point i can't actually believe you brought that up. Just because their wasn't a special effect of Reiatsu Crush in Tosen death doesn't denote that the feat wasn't used with Reiatsu Crush given the more significant evidence we have that points to Aizen's Reiatsu being the culprit.
Alright i agree.Sounds good to me though it should be limited since he can’t exactly make them feel anything else.