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Alright everyone, I know this has been going off for long, and has been a while, but let's get this over with.
We had a rule in VS Battles Wiki where we are forbidden to update any Bleach characters to Tier 5-B: Planet level, because Yhwach only goal was to destroy the World of the Living and the World of the Dead, and he can only destroy the entire World of the Dead and World of the Living through a collateral effect damage with the balances of their structures, correct?
Well there is a problem with this, and this is wrong for many reasons:
1. When you tip the scales between the World of the Dead and World of the Living, it can only cause destruction not creation as shown in mutiple manga scans. Neither once did they show destroying the equilibrium can create new worlds, but rather destroy them.
2. Okay with that out of mind, looking at the scale that we see between the world in this three manga scan. The World of the Living's surface is equal in size to the World of the Dead's surface. We don't know the term "world" we are referring to over here. It can mean three things. Universe, Earth, and Civilian. In this case civilian, since we saw both Mexico and Japan in the Bleach manga. Nothing indicates it's the planet not the universe. But how big is the civilian in size?
Now according to the guidebook, before someone bash me for using a guidebook, and tell me, "hey you why the hell are you using that stupid guidebook?! That stuff is fake!", well, it's reliable as long as it supports the manga and doesn't contradict it. Which in this case doesn't. The guidebook further confirms that the World of the Dead's size is equal to the entire surface to the World of the Living, and both side of the popullation must be equal for the scale to be in balance. Entire surface in size in the World of the Living would the surface of the entire planet for all the living lives that we know in Bleach a.k.a. Earth, which in the VS Battles Wiki's standard scaling size would be Multi-Continental+.
3. Now that we have finally confirmed how big is the World of the Living and World of the Dead is being a parallel world to one and other, and tilting the equilibirum can only cause destruction not creation. Let's talk about power-scaling. Yamamoto Bankai was so powerful, that upon releasing his Bankai, he possess enough power not only kill everyone, but destroy the entire World of the Living if the fight between him and Royd were to continue. Multiple manga scans and statements back this up.
So we can easily confirm Bankai Yamamoto is Multi-Continental+ level, right? Note, this isn't Yamamoto in his prime, it's a weaker version of Yamamoto who possess this level of power. Imagine what Yamamoto in his prime can do.
4. The very same Yamamoto tries to fight against Base Yhwach, only to get his Bankai casually stolen and one-shotted. Before someone points it out to me, anyone can steal a Shinigami's Bankai with a medallion, right? Wrong. In Yamamoto's case, you need to be at least his level of reiryoku to be able to wield his Bankai or else you will die, and in Bleach, reinryoku is the source of a everyone's power. Greater the reiryoku, the stronger you are. Therefore, Base Yhwach easily being 10x stronger than Yamamoto through by mere powerscaling is easily Multi-Continental+ level, going as far claiming to be able to use Yamamoto's Bankai.
5. The same Yhwach tried to fight against Ichibe, only to lose against him the moment after Ichibei activated his Shikai. Only to easily turn the tied on him immediately by one-shotting Bankai Ichibei after activating Almighty. Almighty Yhwach is easily also 10x stronger than Bankai Ichibe or possibly more. You gotta remember, a Bankai always a Shinigami's reiryoku fold by 10x at max as established by Yoruichi. Despite that Bankai Ichibei couldn't do jack at all against Almighty Yhwach.
6. This doesn't stop for Yhwach, as he further absorbs Mimihage and Soul King, where his reiryoku increased exponentially to the point where not even Ichigo at his strongest could even make Yhwach fight seriously as noted by Yhwach the entire fight was boring indicated that he has been holding back before absorbing both his Hollow and Quincy powers. I mean this guy casually one-shotted Ichigo the moment he activated his Bankai, before he can even use his Bankai! Aizen the individual who possess the greatest reiryoku excluding couldn't even beat Yhwach even while teaming up with Ichigo, and needed Uryu to temporarily disable Yhwach's power just for Ichigo to go for the killing blow.
7. Alright now that finally ended the power-scaling, what does this tell us? Base Yhwach since his introduction is easily Multi-Contentinental+ level, because his power is 10x greater than Bankai Yamamoto who can destroy the entire World of the Living, correct? Ever since then Yhwach was upscaling in powerscaling, absorbing the power of Mimihage, Soul King, Ichigo's Powers, and all the soul distribution, he has performed since his birth past 1,200+ years ago, doubling his power every time he absorbs a soul. I mean think about, you saw what all the deceased Wandenrich members can do before their death to the entire Seireitei, correct? Now imagine Yhwach absorbing their soul, giving him double times the condition and longetivity to what they had. Every time Yhwach use powers whenever the plot demand it, he always one-shotted even stronger opponents who could have easily beat his weaker opponents in their base form. So there is zero reasons to doubt why Yhwach couldn't be planet level due to the massive power boost he received since his debut in Bleach, when he already is higher end of multi-continental+ level just in his base form! For those people who are still in doubt, read this manga scans.
Get it? What does that tell you? Going back to what I said in my first point, causing a collateral effect damage with the balances of their structures can only Destruction not creation, and nothing states otherwise. Yhwach's goal was not only to destroy the World of the Living and the World of the Dead, but to also recreate them to make them become one.The manga scans further supports his points, showing of his powers was so great that it was not only effect the entirety of World of the Dead, but also the World of the Living covering the two worlds going as far as causing an atmospheric exit to the planet's atmosphere.
Possible refutals:
1. It's an outlier. Not possible since base Yhwach is already at multi-continental+ level at highest peak, before he started having addition power-up.
2. Yhwach killed some population on one side of the scale causing the world to collapse. Not possible either since after Yhwach died, the world didn't collapse to further prove that one side wasn't heavier than the other.
3. His powers come from the Soul King. Wrong, the Soul King job is only to balance the worlds, not destroy or recreate it, the fact that the Soul King's death didn't cause the worlds to collapse tells you, the worlds effecting wasn't Soul King's doing, it was Yhwach, and Yhwach absorbed that guy alongsides many other. Soul King acts nothing more but mere power boost to Yhwach.
4. Yhwach lifted Wanderiech, his greated feat, which is only scale to be moon level. That's was just a portion of Yhwach's power just testing the battlefield around for his favor. His full power wasn't reveal until his revival from death after Ichigo killed him the first time.
List of characters that can possibly scale to Yhwach's planetary feats:
1. Ichigo
2. Aizen
Thank you very much and have a nice day. Thoughts?
We had a rule in VS Battles Wiki where we are forbidden to update any Bleach characters to Tier 5-B: Planet level, because Yhwach only goal was to destroy the World of the Living and the World of the Dead, and he can only destroy the entire World of the Dead and World of the Living through a collateral effect damage with the balances of their structures, correct?
Well there is a problem with this, and this is wrong for many reasons:
1. When you tip the scales between the World of the Dead and World of the Living, it can only cause destruction not creation as shown in mutiple manga scans. Neither once did they show destroying the equilibrium can create new worlds, but rather destroy them.
2. Okay with that out of mind, looking at the scale that we see between the world in this three manga scan. The World of the Living's surface is equal in size to the World of the Dead's surface. We don't know the term "world" we are referring to over here. It can mean three things. Universe, Earth, and Civilian. In this case civilian, since we saw both Mexico and Japan in the Bleach manga. Nothing indicates it's the planet not the universe. But how big is the civilian in size?
Now according to the guidebook, before someone bash me for using a guidebook, and tell me, "hey you why the hell are you using that stupid guidebook?! That stuff is fake!", well, it's reliable as long as it supports the manga and doesn't contradict it. Which in this case doesn't. The guidebook further confirms that the World of the Dead's size is equal to the entire surface to the World of the Living, and both side of the popullation must be equal for the scale to be in balance. Entire surface in size in the World of the Living would the surface of the entire planet for all the living lives that we know in Bleach a.k.a. Earth, which in the VS Battles Wiki's standard scaling size would be Multi-Continental+.
3. Now that we have finally confirmed how big is the World of the Living and World of the Dead is being a parallel world to one and other, and tilting the equilibirum can only cause destruction not creation. Let's talk about power-scaling. Yamamoto Bankai was so powerful, that upon releasing his Bankai, he possess enough power not only kill everyone, but destroy the entire World of the Living if the fight between him and Royd were to continue. Multiple manga scans and statements back this up.
So we can easily confirm Bankai Yamamoto is Multi-Continental+ level, right? Note, this isn't Yamamoto in his prime, it's a weaker version of Yamamoto who possess this level of power. Imagine what Yamamoto in his prime can do.
4. The very same Yamamoto tries to fight against Base Yhwach, only to get his Bankai casually stolen and one-shotted. Before someone points it out to me, anyone can steal a Shinigami's Bankai with a medallion, right? Wrong. In Yamamoto's case, you need to be at least his level of reiryoku to be able to wield his Bankai or else you will die, and in Bleach, reinryoku is the source of a everyone's power. Greater the reiryoku, the stronger you are. Therefore, Base Yhwach easily being 10x stronger than Yamamoto through by mere powerscaling is easily Multi-Continental+ level, going as far claiming to be able to use Yamamoto's Bankai.
5. The same Yhwach tried to fight against Ichibe, only to lose against him the moment after Ichibei activated his Shikai. Only to easily turn the tied on him immediately by one-shotting Bankai Ichibei after activating Almighty. Almighty Yhwach is easily also 10x stronger than Bankai Ichibe or possibly more. You gotta remember, a Bankai always a Shinigami's reiryoku fold by 10x at max as established by Yoruichi. Despite that Bankai Ichibei couldn't do jack at all against Almighty Yhwach.
6. This doesn't stop for Yhwach, as he further absorbs Mimihage and Soul King, where his reiryoku increased exponentially to the point where not even Ichigo at his strongest could even make Yhwach fight seriously as noted by Yhwach the entire fight was boring indicated that he has been holding back before absorbing both his Hollow and Quincy powers. I mean this guy casually one-shotted Ichigo the moment he activated his Bankai, before he can even use his Bankai! Aizen the individual who possess the greatest reiryoku excluding couldn't even beat Yhwach even while teaming up with Ichigo, and needed Uryu to temporarily disable Yhwach's power just for Ichigo to go for the killing blow.
7. Alright now that finally ended the power-scaling, what does this tell us? Base Yhwach since his introduction is easily Multi-Contentinental+ level, because his power is 10x greater than Bankai Yamamoto who can destroy the entire World of the Living, correct? Ever since then Yhwach was upscaling in powerscaling, absorbing the power of Mimihage, Soul King, Ichigo's Powers, and all the soul distribution, he has performed since his birth past 1,200+ years ago, doubling his power every time he absorbs a soul. I mean think about, you saw what all the deceased Wandenrich members can do before their death to the entire Seireitei, correct? Now imagine Yhwach absorbing their soul, giving him double times the condition and longetivity to what they had. Every time Yhwach use powers whenever the plot demand it, he always one-shotted even stronger opponents who could have easily beat his weaker opponents in their base form. So there is zero reasons to doubt why Yhwach couldn't be planet level due to the massive power boost he received since his debut in Bleach, when he already is higher end of multi-continental+ level just in his base form! For those people who are still in doubt, read this manga scans.
Get it? What does that tell you? Going back to what I said in my first point, causing a collateral effect damage with the balances of their structures can only Destruction not creation, and nothing states otherwise. Yhwach's goal was not only to destroy the World of the Living and the World of the Dead, but to also recreate them to make them become one.The manga scans further supports his points, showing of his powers was so great that it was not only effect the entirety of World of the Dead, but also the World of the Living covering the two worlds going as far as causing an atmospheric exit to the planet's atmosphere.
Possible refutals:
1. It's an outlier. Not possible since base Yhwach is already at multi-continental+ level at highest peak, before he started having addition power-up.
2. Yhwach killed some population on one side of the scale causing the world to collapse. Not possible either since after Yhwach died, the world didn't collapse to further prove that one side wasn't heavier than the other.
3. His powers come from the Soul King. Wrong, the Soul King job is only to balance the worlds, not destroy or recreate it, the fact that the Soul King's death didn't cause the worlds to collapse tells you, the worlds effecting wasn't Soul King's doing, it was Yhwach, and Yhwach absorbed that guy alongsides many other. Soul King acts nothing more but mere power boost to Yhwach.
4. Yhwach lifted Wanderiech, his greated feat, which is only scale to be moon level. That's was just a portion of Yhwach's power just testing the battlefield around for his favor. His full power wasn't reveal until his revival from death after Ichigo killed him the first time.
List of characters that can possibly scale to Yhwach's planetary feats:
1. Ichigo
2. Aizen
Thank you very much and have a nice day. Thoughts?
