Blame Ion (Vecna vs Nameless)

[Hl3_or_bust]

Vecna vs Joh

> Both 2-C

> Speed equalized

 

[Ionliosite]

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I agree with this CRT

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Oh ************

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Agree FRA

Also now i know why Ion always says "make the matches".

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Oh for fu

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

I'll just list John's major stuff for context.

>His type 2 NEP is above baseline, since it's a far higher-end technique than some that also do this.

>High-Godly regen, which is instant and above what Vecna can deal with.

>His basic attacks negate Vecna's regen and killing him just completely wipes him and everything he embodies from existence.

>Resistance to damn near everything, with each one being nearly a dozen layers over conceptual hax that functions on a 2-C level.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Vecna has immortality from Ao so

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Which type is that, because I was under the impression that

• Types 1 and 3 are agiven
• Type 7 is because he's a Lich
• and Type 8 is because he's a god

The only one that's not really accounted for is 2, and that really won't help tbh.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

>Resistance to Fusionism and Body Control

How does that work?

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

He can resist spells that fuse things into light/darkness and I think that was meant to be body puppetry

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Something something Vecna decides to say Nameless should be digested by Uvuudaum's 1-A key.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Elaborate because I have never, ever heard of anything like that in D&D

 

[Mr. Bambu]

1. Broughtup before, but fair enough.

2. Here's where that specific 1-A spell comes from, though it's far from the only one we have outside of 4e now. Second to last image, "Welcome to the Amoebic Sea" is the specific one was referring to.

You briefly summon a polyp of the amoebic sea into the world. Creatures within that 20-ft radius area where the amoebic sea flashes into existence are subject to a medium that is instantly destructive to their minds and flesh... any creature that is reduced to 0 health is completely digested, leaving behind only red-tinged bubbles.
	~ Dragon #330​

TL;DR summon a bit of the Far Realm to digest an enemy. There's other fun stuff in the gallery if that ain't enough for your liking.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Coincidentally...

> His Type 2 NEP is above baseline

Doesn't really matter when D&D folks hit Shar, she's a 2-A Type 2 NEP concept.

> High-Godly Regen

Incap.

> His basic attacks

If he's using basic attacks then he's dead before he can move, see: I-will-it-and-it-happens-hax

> Resistance to 2-C Concept hax

Good thing all concepts in D&D are on a very large 2-A scale then, eh?

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

O h

I know it doesn't really matter.

Like at all.

But I feel the to correct what you just said lol.

Anyways: > Tier has nothing to do with how good your NEP is.

> I mean, yeah John does resist 2-C concept hax, but I was saying that basically all of his resistances are from abilities that function on a conceptual, 2-C scale.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

> I mean, yeah John does resist 2-C concept hax, but I was saying that basically all of his resistances are from abilities that function on a conceptual, 2-C scale.

this implies Vecna isn't a 2-A concept so by default all of his powers work on that scale

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

I might be having a stroke but I don't follow

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Basically all of Vecna's resistances/abilities are from abilities that function on a conceptual, 2-C scale.

Gonna close this, since Vecna thinks, but ye.