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[Smashtwig]

So overall these are what I think would be the two's wincons:

Tirion-Statistics Amplification/Damage Boost/Damage Reduction/Healing[Mid-Low]/Forcefield creation(to overcome the AP/Durability gap),Statistics Reduction/Status Effect Inducement(to make an opening for an attack), Energy Projection/Manipulation.

Blade-Acrobatics(for dodging Tirion's attacks), Regeneration[High-Low](for healing off any attacks that she couldn't avoid), Resistance Negation(for bypassing Tirion's resistance to Electricity Manipulation), Electricity Manipulation/Damage Boost, and Class M Lifting Strength(to disarm Tirion, though I'm not exactly sure if that would be in-character for her to do).

damn u guys were cooking while I was gone

If 5-B sword is a thing I guess Blade dies, but I do want to note that in this matchup I think versatility is much more of a key factor than the stats this time. Tirion has more amps, but Blade could just catch up by just being... angrier I guess- because that's how Septimas work. Well, aside from disarming with Class M. This is the kind of thing that would naturally happen in battle without the intent of doing so. Heck the other day I was chilling at my club and we played with foam swords and I accidentally disarmed the guy by just attacking really hard against their guard- so I wouldn't think that it wouldn't happen here.

So aside from 5-B sword and Class M Disarm, I find that Blade's spread of moves covers a lot more purpose than most of Tirion's moveset, what I mean by this is that each move of Blade has a distinct purpose, and isn't just an attack that inflicts X thing on the opponent.

• Close Range: Damage Boost / Rage Amp + Lightning Conduct, helps win physical clashes
• Mid Range: Whipsword for more varied combat
• Long Range Tool: Basic projectiles
• Defense: Forcefield with Crashbolt, Deflection
• Tricks: sword shard+crashbolt/magnetic and Electricity Absorb

It all gives her a very well rounded kit that can take on a lot of dudes that aren't completely unreasonable. Tirion, from what I understand, is a bit more honorable and would go with the head on fight more often than not, whereas Blade is narratively just meant to be the killing machine of the main villain even if she too has some code of honor. I would see Blade going for more dirty tactics faster such as sticking a sword shard in the ground to act as a Crashbolt mine to catch Tirion off guard- or just deciding to whip spam from a distance compared to just sword vs sword

However, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that Blinding Light and Forcefields aren't a problem either. A lot of things depend on how much it can be spammed, but I can see that Blade would aim between the times when it goes down and then back up again, and with her moveset that lets her attack comfortably from many (relevant) range, so long as it isn't too spammable she could be fine...?

 

[MysticBrawler]

damn u guys were cooking while I was gone

If 5-B sword is a thing I guess Blade dies, but I do want to note that in this matchup I think versatility is much more of a key factor than the stats this time. Tirion has more amps, but Blade could just catch up by just being... angrier I guess- because that's how Septimas work. Well, aside from disarming with Class M. This is the kind of thing that would naturally happen in battle without the intent of doing so. Heck the other day I was chilling at my club and we played with foam swords and I accidentally disarmed the guy by just attacking really hard against their guard- so I wouldn't think that it wouldn't happen here.

So aside from 5-B sword and Class M Disarm, I find that Blade's spread of moves covers a lot more purpose than most of Tirion's moveset, what I mean by this is that each move of Blade has a distinct purpose, and isn't just an attack that inflicts X thing on the opponent.

• Close Range: Damage Boost / Rage Amp + Lightning Conduct, helps win physical clashes
• Mid Range: Whipsword for more varied combat
• Long Range Tool: Basic projectiles
• Defense: Forcefield with Crashbolt, Deflection
• Tricks: sword shard+crashbolt/magnetic and Electricity Absorb

It all gives her a very well rounded kit that can take on a lot of dudes that aren't completely unreasonable. Tirion, from what I understand, is a bit more honorable and would go with the head on fight more often than not, whereas Blade is narratively just meant to be the killing machine of the main villain even if she too has some code of honor. I would see Blade going for more dirty tactics faster such as sticking a sword shard in the ground to act as a Crashbolt mine to catch Tirion off guard- or just deciding to whip spam from a distance compared to just sword vs sword

However, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that Blinding Light and Forcefields aren't a problem either. A lot of things depend on how much it can be spammed, but I can see that Blade would aim between the times when it goes down and then back up again, and with her moveset that lets her attack comfortably from many (relevant) range, so long as it isn't too spammable she could be fine...?

Do you think it would be better if Blade was given prior knowledge regarding Tirion's sword?

 

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i don't think it will help tbh, their stats are the most important thing about this fight, Blade can't do much. She's skilled, but I wouldn't say she's a strategist that can plan around something that strong

Reaper is is restrictable

 

[DaReaperMan]

i don't think it will help tbh, their stats are the most important thing about this fight, Blade can't do much. She's skilled, but I wouldn't say she's a strategist that can plan around something that strong

Reaper is is restrictable

Unfortunately Tirion doesn't really function without Ashbringer, the only times in this key we've seen him without it is the Battle for Light's Hope where Arthas kind of just hit him with the ol force choke

and when he ******* died in Legion.

it's also why I heavily naysay using Tirion's first key, he just doesn't do things enough for me to yay or nay what he'll actually do in a fight.

it's kind of like taking Frostmourne away from Death Knight Arthas, he kind of doesn't function in a versus thread without it because we've never seen him fight without it.

I could switch characters but might as well make a new thread at that point.

Spoiler: Possible Warcraft 7-As to use

Varian Wrynn

Varian Wrynn was the King of Stormwind and High King of the Grand Alliance. During the First War when Varian was a young boy, his father King Llane was murdered and Stormwind was sacked by the Orcish Horde. His guardian and regent Anduin Lothar gathered the survivors and sailed to Lordaeron...

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While I'd naysay using him against Blade due to the fact Varian is literally ENTIRELY skill and is no Arthas in that regard, he is still an option.

Maiev Shadowsong

Have a care, Shandris. Listen to his honeyed words at your peril, believe him at your peril, join the Horde to hunt Sylvanas at your peril, for once the deed is done, you will again find their daggers at your back.Maiev expressing her extreme mistrust of the Horde after the fourth war Maiev...

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The problem with fighting Maiev is that she has this nasty tendency to seal people in crystals if she gets pissy with them,(and keep in mind this shit is magic so you'd need a magic sealing resistance to deal with it) that and she is one HELL of a slippery bitch to actually fight

Genn Greymane

Genn Greymane (sometimes spelled as "Graymane") is the current King of Gilneas, and one of the original founders of the Alliance of Lordaeron. He is a large bearish man, a brawny warrior with thick features, a heavy beard, and black and gray armor. Greymane has also been noted for being...

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Genn is unfortunately a bad option for a fair match, sure the whole "I have a Worgen on my ass now" is scary at first but if you're stronger then him in AP/LS and more skilled then him he doesn't have much. Note that the Worgen Curse is worthless in a fight as it takes hours to transform someone into a worgen.

Garrosh Hellscream

Garrosh Hellscream was a former Warchief of the Horde chosen by Thrall to replace him in the wake of the Cataclysm, until he was succeeded by Vol'jin after the Siege of Orgrimmar. Throughout the history of Azeroth, few mortals have achieved greater notoriety than him. Garrosh grew up on Draenor...

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in a fight Garrosh is literally a slightly worse Varian, sure they have different fighting styles and whatnot but all of Garrosh's haxxy shit is in second key.

Grommash Hellscream

Grommash "Grom" Hellscream was the legendary chieftain of the Warsong clan, a powerful warrior, close friend, and greatest lieutenant to Warchief Thrall. He was the first orc who drank the blood of Mannoroth the Destructor, thus binding the Horde to the Burning Legion — and he would eventually...

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Grom's overall a solid choice to use in any match, he's damn skilled, his scaling's high, and he's got good utility. doesn't really strategize in a fight though, he just attacks and keeps doing it until either he has to retreat or the opponent is dead.

King Rastakhan

God King Rastakhan (pronounced "RAH-stuh-kawn") was the ruler of the Zandalari Empire. Blessed by the loa Rezan with a long life, swift healing, and strength beyond most trolls, his kingdom was threatened by multiple parties, including his own Zanchuli Council. His daughter, Talanji, reached out...

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DO NOT use Rastakhan unless you have a character without a soul, you do not want to **** with Bwonsamdi's hax, and even then Rastakhan is walking 2v1 into any match for the most part.

Cairne Bloodhoof

Cairne Bloodhoof was the High Chieftain[1] of the united tribes of the tauren,[2] chieftain of the Bloodhoof tribe, leader of Thunder Bluff, and the final wielder of the Bloodhoof Runespear. Allying with the Horde upon its arrival on the shores of Kalimdor, Cairne stood as one of its wisest and...

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Baine Bloodhoof

Baine Bloodhoof is the High Chieftain of the tauren tribes of Mulgore and leader of Thunder Bluff. He is the son of the late tauren leader, Cairne Bloodhoof, whom he looked up to as a role model. While Baine has formidable skill on the battlefield, his true talents lie in the arena of diplomacy...

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I'm listing these two together because they're literally the same character in a match with the exception that Cairne has better skill statements.

Lor'themar Theron

Lor'themar Theron (pronounced "LOHR-theh-mawr THEH-rohn")[2] is the Regent Lord of Quel'Thalas[3] and thus the ruler of the blood elves of Azeroth. He used to lead the sin'dorei in the absence of [Prince Kael'thas Sunstrider, but after his betrayal and eventual death, Lor'themar became the sole...

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He's literally skill and "Do not bring a magic caster to fight him". his mindhax is literally a 15-second charm that lets him wail on the opponent for that entire time, and it does work on robots so do be careful matching him.

Orgrim Doomhammer

Orgrim Doomhammer was the Warchief of the Old Horde and Chieftain of the Blackrock clan during the end of the First War and the entirety of the Second War. The orcish capital of Orgrimmar, the Horde-controlled town of Hammerfall in the Arathi Highlands, and the flying battleship Orgrim's Hammer...

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he's solid.

what, were you expecting him to be impressive? he's a WC1 and WC2-era character only, he is just "solid" lol

Illidan Stormrage

Illidan Stormrage, commonly known as the Betrayer, is the first of the demon hunters, the former self-proclaimed Lord of Outland, the former ruler of the Black Temple, and the original leader of the Illidari. The twin brother of Malfurion Stormrage, the brothers grew distant as they chose...

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Same as Maiev except instead of sealing he has enough versatility in magic to cheat in any fight because he can turn them into a sheep and get free hits repeatedly

Blackhand (Alternate)

Blackhand is the warlord of the Blackrock clan and the ruler of Gorgrond. He was second in the structure of the Iron Horde. Blackhand serves as the secondary antagonist in Warlords of Draenor. A warlord with massive musculature and a dominating presence, the chieftain of the Blackrock clan...

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He's already fought Blade. so uh... just look at that thread for what he can do.

Gul'dan

Gul'dan was the first orcish warlock as well as the de facto founder of the Horde. He betrayed both his people and his mentor Ner'zhul to the demon lord Kil'jaeden for personal gain and power, and was directly responsible for the orcs' fall to demonic enslavement and their subsequent invasion of...

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I'm going to make this very clear: unless the guy you're throwing him at can either one-shot him or isn't corporeal, and most importantly DOES NOT USE ABSORPTION, Gul'dan is a stomp/be stomped character.

Arthas Menethil (Warcraft)

Arthas Menethil, Crown Prince of Lordaeron and Knight of the Silver Hand, was the son of King Terenas Menethil II and heir to the throne. He was trained as a paladin by Uther the Lightbringer and was inducted into the Order of the Silver Hand. Arthas also had a romantic relationship with the...

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Use first key. the other two keys are placeholders in the strongest non-smurf lists for a damn good reason.

Kel'Thuzad

Kel'Thuzad was a powerful human mage, an archmage of the Kirin Tor, and a member of the Council of Six until his interest in the dark arts caused him to be stripped of his rank and holdings, and exiled from Dalaran by Antonidas. Driven by the voice in his head, he traveled to Northrend and...

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Soul Manipulation Resistance required to fight. otherwise just watch out for the nasty ice attacks and his near-guarenteed mind control, and you should be good.

Anub'arak

Anub'arak was the last king of the nerubian empire of Azjol-Nerub. He was among the nerubians slaughtered in the War of the Spider and later raised by Ner'zhul the Lich King as an undead crypt lord to do his bidding. When the Lich King began losing his powers, Anub'arak assisted Arthas Menethil...

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...he's just a damage sponge. he's hard to kill. only thing spooky about him is that his temperature manipulation is good enough to damage standard cold resistance otherwise he's just a wall.

The Headless Horseman (World of Warcraft)

Prepare yourselves, the bells have tolled! Shelter your weak, your young and your old! Each of you shall pay the final sum. Cry for mercy, the reckoning has come![1] During Hallow's End, The Headless Horseman darkens the sky of towns across the Alliance and Horde, empowered by fel Magic and a...

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The Headless Horseman is a pain in the ass to fight, if you're not headshotting him you're not doing a whole lot, though he literally tells you this in his fight so it's not THAT big of an issue.