Black Myth: Wukong General Discussion

[Huesito88]

Goku is here!

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Goku is here!

He modded in Goku but didn't change the color of the cloud to yellow like in Dragon Ball, immediate 0/10

In all seriousness that's dope as ****.

 

[RenderGK]

Goku is here!

a Japanese monkey, replacement for the Chinese monkey, but the cloud is not yellow 1/10

 

[Huesito88]

a Japanese monkey, replacement for the Chinese monkey, but the cloud is not yellow 1/10

I'm sure they're working on it, this is what happens now a days when people rush to release everything

 

[Bernkastelll]

So.... is there any sandbox or something?

 

[Dalesean027]

the game has barely been out a full week, give people time to properly go through the game and gather scans for calcs and P&A.

 

[sageof8paths]

Just finished chapter 3 yesterday and there are a lot of things related to scaling that I found. I don’t have scans cuz I don’t know how to transfer ps5 screenshots to my phone lol.

1. Yellow Wind Sage feats
Cast a tornado that lasted over 500 years iirc. It should scale to him because his main power is wind. His wind attacks are on the same level as his physical attacks in game so it could be a good bench mark for a chapter 2 key.

Chapter 3 scaling is really crazy though

2. Kang-Jin Loong is the lighting dragon you fight on top of the frozen lake. She is stated to be a part of the celestial court in game and is stated to be one of the constellations in her profile in the journal section (I’ll hopefully be able to get a screenshot) so yes, 4A scaling applies. The erlang dimming the stars and the wukong shifting them are likely literal.

3. There appear to be 2 bosses that use light beams. Straight line, no explosion just burns. Captain Lotus-Vision and Captain Wise-Voice. I’ll still search for an official statement when I get home but gamespots boss guide says they use lasers.

Edit: the journal stuff is on the black myth wukong wiki and my speculation was right, those two bosses use light rays as attacks

Here’s kang-Jin Loongs lore:

Kang-Jin Loong

Kang-Jin Loong (亢金龙) is a Yaoguai Queen in Black Myth: Wukong. Halfway to the west, the journey long, Returning to the homeland, where dreams belong. Strengthen and weaken by the mighty sack, Principles falter, on a misguided track. Kang-Jin Loong, one of the Twenty-Eight Constellations, is the...

blackmythwukong.fandom.com

Upon reading this it seems all the loong dragons are constellations.

Here’s Captain Lotus-Vision’s lore confirming light rays:

Captain Lotus-Vision

Captain Lotus-Vision (魔将·莲眼) is a character in Black Myth: Wukong. "All things are by nature void... There is no wax or wane." For pride and arrogance, your golden form is shattered. From the rift shines Buddha's light, majestic and boundless. With the glaring rays, flashing, startling...

blackmythwukong.fandom.com

conclusion:

Around chapter 3 we have 4A destined one and rel-ftl speed

 

[Phsccarvalho]

The erlang dimming the stars and the wukong shifting them are likely literal.

Radahn's flashback

 

[Dalesean027]

Cast a tornado that lasted over 500 years iirc. It should scale to him because his main power is wind. His wind attacks are on the same level as his physical attacks in game so it could be a good bench mark for a chapter 2 key

Timeframe itself doesn't change anything, this is only like a 8-A to 7-C tornado

2. Kang-Jin Loong is the lighting dragon you fight on top of the frozen lake. She is stated to be a part of the celestial court in game and is stated to be one of the constellations in her profile in the journal section (I’ll hopefully be able to get a screenshot) so yes, 4A scaling applies. The erlang dimming the stars and the wukong shifting them are likely literal

I fear without any more deeper and concrete support than these we're only at most looking a possibly rating with any of these

There appear to be 2 bosses that use light beams. Straight line, no explosion just burns. Captain Lotus-Vision and Captain Wise-Voice. I’ll still search for an official statement when I get home but gamespots boss guide says they use lasers.

If so then we could be looking at MHS to Rel+ tops

 

[Huesito88]

Timeframe itself doesn't change anything, this is only like a 8-A to 7-C tornado

It's a good stamina feat atleast for the construct

 

[Da3ggman]

Stuck at the bloody Yellow Wind Sage. Any tips for beating his ass?

 

[sageof8paths]

Timeframe itself doesn't change anything, this is only like a 8-A to 7-C tornado

Really? Sustaining a tornado for 500 years doesn’t mean anything? Damn

I fear without any more deeper and concrete support than these we're only at most looking a possibly rating with any of these

I don’t see how this isn’t enough because
It’s the same constellation justification that gave wukong his high 4A rating from the original book.

Kang-jin loong is specifically stated to be one of the 28 constellations wukong fought in the book.

If so then we could be looking at MHS to Rel+ tops

Rel bare minimum tbh

 

[Huesito88]

Really? Sustaining a tornado for 500 years doesn’t mean anything? Damn

Ap wise no unfortunately, stamina wise it's a good feat for the construct

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Timeframe itself doesn't change anything, this is only like a 8-A to 7-C tornado

What size or speed does a tornado have to be to be tier 7?

It's for... research.

 

[Huesito88]

What size or speed does a tornado have to be to be tier 7?

It's for... research.

Sure buddy totally research no other reason

 

[sageof8paths]

Stuck at the bloody Yellow Wind Sage. Any tips for beating his ass?

Complete the drunken boar side quest, u get an item that makes u immune to wind

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

What do they mean with principle here ?

Kang-Jin Loong, one of the Twenty-Eight Constellations, is the second constellation of the Azure Loong of the East. With a sharp horn on her forehead, she once drilled through the Gold Cymbals to rescue the Great Sage. Since then, the constellation officers have upheld the princeple of "staying sharp", leading many immortals to believe that some strange influence had invaded their consciousness.

 

[Huesito88]

What size or speed does a tornado have to be to be tier 7?

It's for... research.

Here's the profile for Tornado-Chan

Tornado

A tornado is a violently rotating column of air, in contact with the ground, either pendant from a cumuliform cloud or underneath a cumuliform cloud, and often (but not always) visible as a funnel cloud. Tornadoes come in many shapes and sizes, but they are typically in the form of a visible...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Dalesean027]

I don’t see how this isn’t enough because
It’s the same constellation justification that gave wukong his high 4A rating from the original book.

Kang-jin loong is specifically stated to be one of the 28 constellations wukong fought in the book

Eh you'd be suprised, look at elden ring

Rel bare minimum tbh

Depends on the movement compared to said lasers which is why I say rel+ tops

 

[Huesito88]

Depends on the movement compared to said lasers which is why I say rel+ tops

Unless there's a cutscene how would we default the distance to where the Monkey dodges it? (Or is rel+ the default assumption?)

 

[Dalesean027]

Unless there's a cutscene how would we default the distance to where the Monkey dodges it? (Or is rel+ the default assumption?)

We won't make assumptions for calcs, we'll just calculate the distance of the dodge vs the beam movement

Due to its speed in comparison though I can't see anything getting FTL at all

 

[Dalesean027]

Wise voices beams very specifcally can cover the arena almost instantly in the time it takes the destined one to move like 1m in their dodge

 

[Huesito88]

We won't make assumptions for calcs, we'll just calculate the distance of the dodge vs the beam movement

So we can use Wukong in gameplay sit as close to the enemy as possible and just dodge it and that'd be fine? (Also we can make assumptions not for calcs, but for light dodging feats I've seen dodging light be defaulted as rel+ in light novel based works with no anime's or manga's to elaborate at on the distance with only that it was a very close distance, but still can't calculated due to the media it's being presented in)

 

[Dalesean027]

So we can use Wukong in gameplay sit as close to the enemy as possible and just dodge it and that'd be fine? (Also we can make assumptions not for calcs, but for light dodging feats I've seen dodging light be defaulted as rel+ in light novel based works with no anime's or manga's to elaborate at on the distance with only that it was a very close distance, but still can't calculated due to the media it's being presented in)

Then they'd be doing something incorrect if they're doing that bit regardless the beam is still just as insant being closer alone doesn't change its speed vs yours, at point blank its almost impossible to dodge without timing it beforehand and even then it'd still cover more distance than whatever you move from dodging

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Sure buddy totally research no other reason

so?

 

[Huesito88]

regardless the beam is still just as insant being closer alone doesn't change its speed vs yours, at point blank its almost impossible to dodge without timing it beforehand and even then it'd still cover more distance than whatever you move from dodging

At what exact distance here would we say it's timed dodging and at what exact distance wouldn't it be? (In this case, I'm just asking for accuracy sake)

 

[Dalesean027]

At what exact distance here would we say it's timed dodging and at what exact distance wouldn't it be? (In this case, I'm just asking for accuracy sake)

Its not about the distance since it'd be either way due to how fast it is ofc the dodge itself would still be valid but the point is that no matter what the beams are much faster than the destined ones movement so I can't see this clearly anything above Rel tops anything way higher especially FTL is out of the question due to this

 

[Huesito88]

Its not about the distance since it'd be either way due to how fast it is ofc the dodge itself would still be valid but the point is that no matter what the beams are much faster than the destined ones movement so I can't see this clearly anything above Rel tops anything way higher especially FTL is out of the question

Ok so the beams are portrayed as faster than the "Monkey", so any FTL result would be out of the question here. So how are you going to accurately "calculate the distance of the dodge vs the beam movement" here?

 

[sageof8paths]

What do they mean with principle here ?

No clue but it’s irrelevant to the point I’m making?

Eh you'd be suprised, look at elden ring

If I’m not mistaken, the reason why that doesn’t work is because of one the “stars” was actually a meteor.

And this is completely different cuz we have it accepted for another case which just happens to be the EXACT story this game is based on, and stated to have taken place after

Depends on the movement compared to said lasers which is why I say rel+ tops

If u perfect dodge dodge close up u could deadass get ftl movements lol

 

[Huesito88]

If u perfect dodge dodge close up u could deadass get ftl movements lol

Yeah, but that's "timed dodging" and the beam is portrayed as being really fast in comparison to the "Monkey".

 

[Dalesean027]

If u perfect dodge dodge close up u could deadass get ftl movements lol

Nah it's like impossible to do so

Even at its closest where the beam starts from is still about 2~3m above the player even if you're right there so by default you aren't getting FTL since the destined one's movements would max at around 1m tops in the time of the dodge due to how fast the beam travels

The mfer is literally just too tall so it has to go down regardless

 

[WanderingGecko]

I’ll try and find what to calc in the Captain Lotus Vision boss battle since there isn’t much it seems.

 

[Dalesean027]

Nah it's like impossible to do so

Even at its closest where the beam starts from is still about 2~3m above the player even if you're right there so by default you aren't getting FTL since the destined one's movements would max at around 1m tops in the time of the dodge due to how fast the beam travels

The mfer is literally just too tall so it has to go down regardless

Here's a better look

 

[sageof8paths]

Nah it's like impossible to do so

Even at its closest where the beam starts from is still about 2~3m above the player even if you're right there so by default you aren't getting FTL since the destined one's movements would max at around 1m tops in the time of the dodge due to how fast the beam travels

The mfer is literally just too tall so it has to go down regardless

I’ll concede on rel lol. Hopefully we get some multipliers or ftl travel feats or smth.

Also are we gonna use the books height for wukongs giant form? Isn’t it like thousands of meters or smth

 

[WanderingGecko]

Here's a better look

Nice, btw do you have the link to the video or is that your gameplay?

And no one’s made a full fledged page about the databook stuff right? I’ll probably make it.

 

[Dalesean027]

Also are we gonna use the books height for wukongs giant form? Isn’t it like thousands of meters or smth

Not using a thing from the books here, it'd be like using normal irl greek mythology scaling for like percy jackson or something lol


We have to use what we have in the game

 

[sageof8paths]

I’ll try and find what to calc in the Captain Lotus Vision boss battle since there isn’t much it seems.

This just reminds me, the clips dalsean showed were from captain wise. Although they seem to be doing the same thing, it’s possible we could get different results from both bosses. With lotus vision being the one with the light speed statements

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Unless we find every volume of the journey to the west copied and pasted as game content within the game, we probably won't use any of the original story.

 

[Dalesean027]

Nice, btw do you have the link to the video or is that your gameplay?

And no one’s made a full fledged page about the databook stuff right? I’ll probably make it.

Nah I didn't clip my gameplay I was out for blood here

 

[Huesito88]

Unless we find every volume of the journey to the west copied and pasted as game content within the game, we probably won't use any of the original story.

Yes basically, except the last few pages that contradict the game

Edit I wonder if the wiki will even allow the verse to stand if that does happen