BLACK CLOVER VS UNDERTALE: ASTA VS SANS

[Epiccheev]

10 to 100 times

Has that been stated somewhere?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Has that been stated somewhere?

First time Ichika using Zetten

Asta: "His ki has increased dozens of times"

Edit: And for example in my spanish translation says "it increased a hundred times" so the multiplier is between 10 and 100, the BC fandom wants to minimize it to 10 to 40 times, a speed increase of 10 times is the bare minimun

 

[ShionAH]

You guys think this is an incon? Gaster blasters make this fair

 

[Epiccheev]

That might be a trouble how does it work exactly? Would he survive long enough for it to make a difference?

It's like those Samurai counter things from anime.

 

[ShionAH]

It's like those Samurai counter things from anime.

I have no idea what to look at

 

[Epiccheev]

 

[ShionAH]

the white lines?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

the white lines?

The white lines is the guy moving to attack Asta from behind

Asta Zetten is used to blitz him and one shots him as a counterattack

 

[ShionAH]

Oh I understand but I don't see how thats relevant? Asta seems faster than him and also used his sword to cut him if he tries that on gasterblasters he will die. I also want to ask wouldn't the blue attacks destroy him? He has no idea how they work

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Oh I understand but I don't see how thats relevant? Asta seems faster than him and also used his sword to cut him if he tries that on gasterblasters he will die

Asta had a evently match with another Paladin, Asta is a best a bit faster, with Zetten is a complete blitz

And Asta with Ki knows that cutting Gasterblasters are a bad idea, and that if the blasters are not magical, because I don´t even know what are this lasers

 

[ShionAH]

And Asta with Ki knows that cutting Gasterblasters are a bad idea

how can he know? they should be regular ass blasters to him or am I wrong?

, and that if the blasters are not magical, because I don´t even know what are this lasers

What about blue attacks? He has no idea how they work

 

[Epiccheev]

Would monsters even have Ki? They are pretty much living magic as far as i'm aware (except Sans, he's living magic and ketchup)

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Would monsters even have Ki?

Objects can emit Ki

Devils that are monsters that probably are made of mana emit Ki

Ki is considered "flow of life" if Sans is alive, it has Ki

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I saw that post Killer..

 

[ShionAH]

I saw that post Killer..

 

[DaMonkeMan]

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Cant believe all this was going on while I was asleep

 

[ShionAH]

Can someone answer how can asta dodge blue attacks?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Cant believe all this was going on while I was asleep

Go to sleep, this is not real, nor one piece

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Can someone answer how can asta dodge blue attacks?

With the power of Arnold analysis that will be posted this day

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Can someone answer how can asta dodge blue attacks?

what are blue attacks and why can’t Asta simply move out of the way with his precognition + danmaku dodging/deflecting skills

 

[ShionAH]

With the power of Arnold analysis that will be posted this day

It has nothing to do with sans though he has to know how blue attacks work which is impossible for him to know unless sans says it for no reason

what are blue attacks and why can’t Asta simply move out of the way with his precognition + danmaku dodging/deflecting skills

Because they are too tall to jump over and you have to know a specific thing to not get hit. Which is not moving

 

[ShionAH]

 

[SuperStar]

Why is Asta fighting in a white box?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

It has nothing to do with sans though he has to know how blue attacks work which is impossible for him to know unless sans says it for no reason

Because they are too tall to jump over and you have to know a specific thing to not get hit. Which is not moving

He can gain that knowledge through Ki sensing. Then he reacts instinctively based on that knowledge.

 

[ShionAH]

He can gain that knowledge through Ki sensing. Then he reacts instinctively based on that knowledge.

Ki sensing makes him understand what sans is gonna do but he has no idea how blue attacks work.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Ki sensing makes him understand what sans is gonna do but he has no idea how blue attacks work.

It also involves reading the opponents mind and knowing his true intentions.

and why is this attack special? can’t Asta just block it, it’s coming from the ground right?

 

[ShionAH]

It also involves reading the opponents mind and knowing his true intentions.

I mean sans intention is to kill him and thats it.

and why is this attack special? can’t Asta just block it, it’s coming from the ground right?

If he tried to block it his soul will be damaged and poisoned. The speciality is that you have to stand COMPLETELY still or else they always damage you

 

[Epiccheev]

The typical Sans fight argument goes like

- Can your character dodge his Danmaku?
"Yeah, pretty easy, he has precog, can dodge the danmaku has better mobility"
- Can your character hit Sans
"Yeah, they have this one AOE move that nuked an entire mountain, wich they can freely use"
- Ok, then Sans spawns his attacks inside him with a thought/teleports him into the attacks/immobilizes them completely with soul based TK that ignores lifting strength.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I mean sans intention is to kill him and thats it.

If he tried to block it his soul will be damaged and poisoned. The speciality is that you have to stand COMPLETELY still or else they always damage you

That’s weird, is it some kind of law? that can’t be the only option can it? I mean if it’s intangible Asta has Non physical interaction and if it’s tall Asta can fly over it. Is it made of magic? Asta can nullify it.

 

[Epiccheev]

Yes it's made of magic. Same with Gaster Blaster as far as i'm aware.

 

[ShionAH]

That’s weird, is it some kind of law? Why is that the only option can it?

I mean thats just how they work lol

I mean if it’s intangible Asta has Non physical interaction

Still I think since it targets the soul asta might get poisoned but not sure

and if it’s tall Asta can fly over it.

Gravity manipulation

Is it made of magic? Asta can nullify it.

Yes but if Asta can nullify all of magic then its a stomp

 

[ShionAH]

Yes it's made of magic. Same with Gaster Blaster as far as i'm aware.

Basically everything about monsters in UT is magic

 

[Arnoldstone18]

If it’s made of magic then Asta can block it with the side of his sword or destroy it as it’s coming.

I don’t think it’s a stomp cuz Asta is in base so Sans can still affect him. It’s just a matter of how likely San’s wincons are, which I believe are unlikely.

 

[ShionAH]

If it’s made of magic then Asta can block it with the side of his sword or destroy it as it’s coming.

I don’t think it’s a stomp cuz Asta is in base so Sans can still affect him. It’s just a matter of how likely San’s wincons are, which I believe are unlikely.

You just said he can null magic???

 

[Epiccheev]

Depends entirely on if you buy the argument of Sans just spawning his attacks inside his body or immobilizing him with soul Tk and then attacking. Or the teleport into attacks thing.

Wich tbh, i don't

 

[Epiccheev]

You just said he can null magic???

That's like... his thing

 

[ShionAH]

Depends entirely on if you buy the argument of Sans just spawning his attacks inside his body or immobilizing him with soul Tk and then attacking. Or the teleport into attacks thing.

Wich tbh, i don't

Or blue attacks and gaster blasters.

 

[ShionAH]

That's like... his thing

I-I dont know the character…How does he null it? If he just stops magic attacks then its a stomp

 

[Lynieryz]

gaster blasters are magic? I remember being told it was technology.