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BLACK CLOVER P&A CRT: MANA (PART 1)

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Lets look at how mages interact with mana, The relationship of mana to certain mages. Lets see what powers, abilities and resistances are granted as a result. Lastly we will upgrade a mage who has the closest connection to mana.



HATED BY MANA
The only being hated by mana is Asta. He is known as the flaw of the world, lacking something fundamental to natural law and human existence. Therefore this gives him non-existent physiology (type 5) for lacking an aspect of himself necessary for existence. As type 5 describes this gives him immunity to attacks that target an individual's innate mana/magic.

Correction made post-Dereck's post: This would also be Nature 3 Aspect 5 (not Type anything) as Mana is necessary for existence, even souls come from mana however Asta still exists so when attacks designed for those with magic are used against Asta, They will treat asta as though he doesn't exist. Shown with Zagred's magic and life eating monsters treating Asta like he didn't exist.

I know this is a somewhat useless addition but i only want to add it for index purposes.



BELOVED BY MANA
In black clover, one thing to keep at the back of the mind when discussing layers is that it’s dependent on a mage’s magic power. The stronger the mage the more layered their haxed becomes. Sometimes their hax evolve to affect natural law.

As we know, those who are loved by mana possess far more magic power than the average mage. More importantly, they gain benefits such as resisting the effects of power nullification. Although the effects of their resistance come in layers as their connection to mana varies as shown below.

Layers of Power Nullification and its Resistance:

The following are a list of power nullification and power nullification resistance:


Power nullification types:​

Sealing (prevents internal access to magic)


Magic power control/restriction (prevents magic external output)

Negation (erasing magic)

Anti Magic - Magic​


Magic - Magic​

Curse power nullification (also layers = curse manipulation layers)​

  • Layer 0 (Baseline): Vanica’s decaying world erases spells by cursing them.
  • Layer 0 resistance: Noelle’s Valkyrie Armor and Blue roses are capable of resisting its effects
  • Layer 0: Blue roses are capable of erasing Vanica's curses
  • Layer 1: Megicula resists blue roses, even decaying them.
  • Layer 1: Mgicula is capable of nullifying Noelle's Valkyrie Armor.
  • Layer 1 resistance: Amped by Rill's Valhalla spell, Blue roses are capable of resisting Megicula's curses.
  • Layer 2: Amped by Rill's Valhalla spell, Blue roses are capable of erasing Megicula's curses.



Note: resisting anti magic is not the same as resisting magic nullifying spells due to the explanation of ways to get around resistances on the resistance page. Moreover, In most cases, resisting Anti Magic comes from magic power engulfing it. Anti Magic can't keep up with too much power. Therefore the stronger the mage the more power Anti magic has to negate hence why mages like Conrad can resist it because he's so much stronger to the point AM cant keep up.

Note: Blue Roses are Charlotte's they are modified to be anti curse.






MAGE OF MANA: MEREOLEONA VERMILLION
As we know, Magic is everything. The closer one comes to mana the more they become like it. It is also determinant of one's strength as shown perfectly by Mereoleona. A woman who lived in nature, steeping herself in natural mana 300 days in a year and reached new levels of mana skin. This act not only let her perform feats which I will get into in a sec, but it also drew her closer and closer to becoming mana as the series went on.

Judgment Day Mereoleona:

Limited Regeneration (At Least Low-Mid, she is capable of replacing missing body parts with Mana based parts. One time regen.)
In the end. only one mage was capable of this feat. Mereoleona Vermillion. She has not only surpassed mana skin and mana zone, she has surpassed natural law and became mana itself.

Inorganic Physiology and Intangibility: (Mereoleona now exist purely as Mana, a fundamental energy that transcends physical form)

Necromancy: (she obtained a new spell that enables her to bring her allies back from the dead to fight with her again with soul/mana based bodies. )






Note: AP CRT coming soon... Please do not bring up discussions about AP in this thread. Refer to our discussion general or my message wall.
Note: the formatting of the other abilities is not how they will be displayed on the pages. So be rest assured they will be formatted properly if accepted. I only formatted it this way in the crt for ease of explanation.




Agree
@Aprildays, @KingogKings777 @Excellence616 @Idkwhyimhere3

Neutral


Disagree

Dereck (Hated By Mana)
 
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Why is AE here? It's only given to those who gain Immortality from it, hence why I didn't put it on the blog

Also, separating Anti-Magic layers and with normal layers makes thing confusing
 
For Regeneration, she made an arm of Mana but that doesn't mean her physical arm came back.
 
I am not interested in this thread bec i have to get up to date with BC but I saw something that caught my attention.
The only being hated by mana is Asta. He is known as the flaw of the world, lacking something fundamental to natural law and human existence. Therefore this gives him non-existent physiology (type 5) for lacking an aspect of himself necessary for existence. As type 5 describes this gives him immunity to attacks that target an individual's innate mana/magic.
First of all NEP Type 5 doesn't exist, it would be NEP Aspect 5. There can't be an NEP without nature, whether 1, 2 or 3. Asta does not qualify for any nature since he's not nonexistent at any level. In my view mana doesn't qualify for Info 2 and therefore wouldn't qualify as a Type 5 Aspect in NEP. Based on the same description of Info 2 and what is provided by the OP there is no evidence of the ability here and many of the feats shown are due to changes in the user's soul but someone else will take care of the Info 2 part, that's all from my side.

Also
Law Manipulation: (Becoming Mana itself can only be possible by overcoming the world's natural laws)
The scan showed here has nothing to do with Law Manip.
 
I am not interested in this thread bec i have to get up to date with BC but I saw something that caught my attention.

First of all NEP Type 5 doesn't exist, it would be NEP Aspect 5. There can't be an NEP without nature, whether 1, 2 or 3. Asta does not qualify for any nature since he's not nonexistent at any level. In my view mana doesn't qualify for Info 2 and therefore wouldn't qualify as a Type 5 Aspect in NEP. Based on the same description of Info 2 and what is provided by the OP there is no evidence of the ability here and many of the feats shown are due to changes in the user's soul but someone else will take care of the Info 2 part, that's all from my side.

Also
Law Manipulation: (Becoming Mana itself can only be possible by overcoming the world's natural laws)
The scan showed here has nothing to do with Law Manip.

Something came up which led to me drastically changing the OP to remove the blog. I will include the blog in part 2 of my thread taking your suggestion into account.

As of now this is just about Layers and ability additions for Asta and Mereoleona.

I will respond again later.
 
Disagree with NEP FRA

Also disagree with law manipulation because surpassing/overcoming the laws of the world in black clover doesn't actually mean anything

Morris also considers himself to have surpassed the world's laws by virtue of the abilities Lucious granted him which are just deconstruction & limited life creation [Golem] non of which actually had anything to do with him altering, creating or destroying laws in any way nor required him to do so

At best "Surpassing natural laws" in context of the events that transpired just means surpassing what a human would naturally be able to do
 
I’m not adding votes that have nothing to do with the thread and votes that don’t address the whole thread. Please read it before voting.
 
Post was edited as I was typing but ignoring that for the rest of the thread stuff can you actually link the relevant scans to like 90% of what's proposed here.

For anyone who hasn't read BC there's no reason to take anything you've written without a scan attached to it as facts, like even if you don't actually intend to have the scans themselves linked on the profiles when this is done they are least need to be in the CRT itself
 
Sonofanavast is right. There's no way for anyone to take what's in the OP seriously when there are no scans attached.
 
Enhanced Power Nullification spells (1 Layer; These are spells usually used by elves to negate magic)
I'm unsure why this counts as a layer. Have any elves used their Enhanced Power Nullification spells to nullify a regular Mana Skin? If so, then this is fine, but again, there are no scans attached so as of right now this is a baseless claim.
Demons and Devils' Negative Mana Skin resistance (2 Layers; Devils like Lucifero and Ancient Demons are capable of resisting the power nullifying effects of Dense magic regions and nullification spells due to the sheer fact that devil magic can not be nullified conventionally with any magic. An arcane mage is required.)
This is 1 layer. Dense magic regions are listed as baseline. Devil magic not being able to be nullified by any magic seems like an immunity to normal magic and it being susceptible to arcane mages rather than it being a layer.
 
Looks mostly done



Have any elves used their Enhanced Power Nullification spells to nullify a regular Mana Skin?
Yeah

This is 1 layer. Dense magic regions are listed as baseline. Devil magic not being able to be nullified by any magic seems like an immunity to normal magic and it being susceptible to arcane mages rather than it being a layer.

Normal magic consist of all the power nullification spells above it on the list so its definitely not "1 layer"

Susceptibility is not the right word. 95% of Arcane Mages use devil related magic anyways. The other 5% use magic that manipulate natural law which are support mages and Asta.
 
Gonna read/address the rest in a bit but this point right here sticks out to me.
Limited Regeneration (At Least Low-Mid, She is capable of replacing missing body parts with Mana based parts)
Shouldn't it be low godly do to the soul/mind and mana being intertwined or is that not approved on vsbw?
 
Gonna read/address the rest in a bit but this point right here sticks out to me.

Shouldn't it be low godly do to the soul/mind and mana being intertwined or is that not approved on vsbw?

Thats prior to becoming mana.

If her mana form can regenerate then sure.
 
I agree with non-existent physiology (type 5) if its worded unconventionally like unconventional non-existent physiology (type 5).

Agree with the layers.

Agree with the Mereoleona stuff too.
 
Gonna read/address the rest in a bit but this point right here sticks out to me.

Shouldn't it be low godly do to the soul/mind and mana being intertwined or is that not approved on vsbw?
it's still Low-Mid unless she can regen her entire body with mana, then she would get Low-Godly.

I agree with OP
 
Agreed with the OP, I genuinely see nothing wrong here. Question though, why doesn't mereoleona apply for this?
 
Agreed with the OP, I genuinely see nothing wrong here. Question though, why doesn't mereoleona apply for this?
She brought them back to life not controlling their dead bodies.
 
She brought them back to life not controlling their dead bodies.
Agreed with the OP, I genuinely see nothing wrong here. Question though, why doesn't mereoleona apply for this?
He's actually right

She resurrected their souls that specific use of soul manipulation is a type of Necromancy
Necromancy refers to the ability to control the bodies and/or souls of the deceased. This is most frequently depicted as being able to resurrect the dead to varying to degrees, from shambling corpses to conscious zombies to even complete resurrection.
Manipulation of souls: A form that targets the soul rather than the body, it allows the necromancer to summon, control, and place the souls of the dead in various objects and living beings. In more advanced versions, the necromancer can manipulate not only the souls of the dead, but still living beings, bringing them under their thrall or killing them by tearing out their soul
So yeah she should get Necromancy Type 2
 
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