BLACK CLOVER CRT: HOW MUCH DO THEY BENCH?

[Arnoldstone18]

This calc has been redone here due to an inane assumption on the timeframe it took for Asta to swing his sword and it’s accepted. The result is Class P

So let's use it.

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Furthermore,

Asta scales to the calc and we know that Lucifero with half of his body scales to him

Logically, with the other half of his body strength, Lucifero will be 2x stronger.

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So naturally, the following characters will scale accordingly:

Spoiler: SCALES TO ASTA'S CALC

1/2 Lucifero
Yami
Yuno Spirit Dive
Mereoleona Hell Fire incarnate

Spoiler: SCALES TO FULLY MANIFESTED LUCIFERO

Lucius
Time Skip Asta (Partial Devil Union)
Ichika (Transformed state)
so on...

More LS revisions probably coming soon

Agree: CloverDragon03, Dereck03, DarkDragonMedeus, AnAverageUsername, SteveRogers (except for Mereoleona and Yuno), Mazdoesstuff (except for Mereoleona and Yuno), Chosen (neutral on Mereoleona and Yuno), Excel, Maxeez.
Neutral:
Disagree:

 

[Deceived3596]

Class P(enis)

Following.

 

[CloverDragon03]

We don't take Lucifero's 2x magic as also meaning 2x lifting strength. That's a discussion for elsewhere

 

[Arnoldstone18]

We don't take Lucifero's 2x magic as also meaning 2x lifting strength. That's a discussion for elsewhere

his body strength

Literally, two Class P bodies fusing into one. Even tho the magic aspect is sensible too, I know its a discussion for another day.

But for now i am referring to physical bodies

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

How do Yuno and Mereo scale to Asta's feat?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

How do Yuno and Mereo scale to Asta's feat?

I guess since they can fight in Lucifero's gravity they scale. I mean Yuno already has the Class T anyway for the same reason ig.

 

[CloverDragon03]

How do Yuno and Mereo scale to Asta's feat?

They can fight in Lucifero's gravity

Anyways, I guess this is fine then

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

I guess since they can fight in Lucifero's gravity they scale. I mean Yuno already has the Class T anyway for the same reason ig.

Lucifero's gravity isn't scaling to Asta. It's not strong enough to pin down his DU. Lucifero scales to Asta with his physicals.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Anyways, I guess this is fine then

Arigato

 

[CloverDragon03]

Lucifero's gravity isn't scaling to Asta. It's not strong enough to pin down his DU. Lucifero scales to Asta with his physicals.

Using magic > not using magic

If Lucifero's raw physicals scale to Class P, then his Gravity Magic realistically should as well, especially as it's both his magic and physicals that are described by Adrammelech as "unmatched"

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

If Lucifero's raw physicals scale to Class P, then his Gravity Magic realistically should as well, especially as it's both his magic and physicals that are described by Adrammelech as "unmatched"

Characters that can withstand his gravity such as the Valhalla amped captains or even Yuno get consistently bitch slapped and thrown around by his physicals. Going by pure showings, they are superior.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I give my support for this

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

Overall, I can agree to the following characters scaling: Asta (he performs the feat), Lucifero (He can grab Asta's sword with one hand and stop him in his tracks), Yami (He stops a punch from Lucifero), Lucius (He absorbed the powers of Lucifero), and Ichika (Can physically clash with Asta).

If anyone can bring a good argument for Yuno and Mereoleona, I'd be glad to hear it. Otherwise, I think they should remain Class T.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Noted

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Asta reflect the magic attack. Isn't it literally a characteristics of antimagic?

 

[CloverDragon03]

Asta reflect the magic attack. Isn't it literally a characteristics of antimagic?

He still needs to output enough force to push it back

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yeah, but antimagic gives a good help. I don't know if scaling the whole value would be a good idea

 

[CloverDragon03]

Yeah, but antimagic gives a good help. I don't know if scaling the whole value would be a good idea

All it does is give the sword that reflective property to begin with. Asta still needs to push with that force for it to actually amount to anything

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

If you say so
Ima gonna trust you

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Lol

 

[Dereck03]

Sure, this seems fine and straightfoward.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Thanks thanks

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Characters that can withstand his gravity such as the Valhalla amped captains or even Yuno get consistently bitch slapped and thrown around by his physicals. Going by pure showings, they are superior.

I agree w this, I don’t think Mereo and Yuno should scale

Fighting within Lucifero’s AOE gravity shouldn’t be assumed to have the same weight as his direct attacks

 

[CloverDragon03]

Overall, I can agree to the following characters scaling: Asta (he performs the feat), Lucifero (He can grab Asta's sword with one hand and stop him in his tracks), Yami (He stops a punch from Lucifero), Lucius (He absorbed the powers of Lucifero), and Ichika (Can physically clash with Asta).

If anyone can bring a good argument for Yuno and Mereoleona, I'd be glad to hear it. Otherwise, I think they should remain Class T.

I'm pretty sure the Class T comes from Lucifero's physicals and Gravity Magic being scaled to the same thing...

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks alright.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Thank you thank you

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Will wait like a day before making changes

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Damn, Black Clover fans get things running when it comes to upgrades

 

[chosen]

Looks alright but i think yami should scale too
I am neutral on Yuno and mereo Scaling for now

 

[Excellence616]

Agree with OP

 

[Maxeez]

Agreed too.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Thanks Thanks

 

[Deceived3596]

Disagree because i always need to be a contrarian in Arnold's threads.

 

[chosen]

Disagree because i always need to be a contrarian in Arnold's threads.

Good argument
Changing to dissagree fra

 

[Epsilon_R]

Characters that can withstand his gravity such as the Valhalla amped captains or even Yuno get consistently bitch slapped and thrown around by his physicals. Going by pure showings, they are superior.

Then you have Lucifero's gravity crushing Yami and Nacht's arms despite being able to physically push him back (for Yami's case at least)

Plus it's implied that he can increase the intensity of his gravity so there's arguments for both sides. In any case, his gravity should still scale to Yami

 

[Arnoldstone18]

In my honest opinion.

I think Lucifero’s aura/presence is weaker than his physicals and attack spells. However I just have no clue where the aura scales to.

 

[CloverDragon03]

In my honest opinion.

I think Lucifero’s aura/presence is weaker than his physicals and attack spells

Presence of the Demon King is a spell though, and it's not entirely passive either because Lucifero actively, well... activated it after he appeared beside Asta

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Presence of the Demon King is a spell though, and it's not entirely passive either because Lucifero actively, well... activated it after he appeared beside Asta

Lucifero kinda treats it like aura he can turn on and off at any time.

Although you have a point, if he wants to attack someone he can rapidly increase gravity around him which counts as an attack spell. But he would rather just box Mere and Yuno instead implying it was his presence that’s acting on them, not an attack spell.

So him just showing his presence by exerting his “aura” < intentionally attacking someone with his gravity magic = physicals. That’s just what I think I guess

 

[CloverDragon03]

Why would his physicals be superior to his magic? There's never a case for a magic user where not using magic > using magic unless the opponent is like... Asta

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Sorry i used =< instead of =

his physicals are equal to his attack spells and superior to his aura.