BLACK CLOVER: ASTA'S REACTIVE EVOLUTION REPLACEMENT AND OTHER ADDITIONS

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Anti magic in itself has several abilities that develop overtime and can even gain more abilities on top of those developing abilities.

Gaining abilities isn't enough iirc it should be base to counter on the enemys attack or similar to the enemys attack

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Anti magic skin development to adapt to the dangerous environment, the volcanic place.

Isn't that's an skill? Like every character can do that ?

 

[CloverDragon03]

Gaining abilities isn't enough iirc it should be base to counter on the enemys attack or similar to the enemys attack

He developed this "Anti-Mana Skin" specifically to counter the effects of Yultim Volcano so...

 

[CloverDragon03]

Isn't that's an skill? Like every character can do that ?

Mages can use Mana Skin, but since Asta had no magic, he couldn't use Mana Skin. So, he adapted by surrounding himself with Anti-Magic to achieve the same result

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

He developed this "Anti-Mana Skin" specifically to counter the effects of Yultim Volcano so...

AM literally counters anything magic in the verse

 

[CloverDragon03]

AM literally counters anything magic in the verse

That's a bad argument to make. Just because Anti-Magic naturally counters magic, doesn't mean it always works, which is why just swinging his sword wasn't enough to cancel out Yultim Volcano's heat. That's why he had to adapt and use his Anti-Magic in a different way

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Mages can use Mana Skin, but since Asta had no magic, he couldn't use Mana Skin. So, he adapted by surrounding himself with Anti-Magic to achieve the same result

Anti magic is still like a magic which negate magic though.

I am not saying it's magic but I hope you get what i mean.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Bro you’re creating ambiguity by saying Asta negs so how he negs doesn’t matter.

because Asta literally negs before gaining anti magic skin

And his all covered in AM so his body itself is not adapting it's just nullifying the effects of the heat

 

[CloverDragon03]

Anti magic is still like a magic which negate magic though.

I am not saying it's magic but I hope you get what i mean.

Not really, and we've seen that Anti-Magic has its own limitations that no standard magic has. That's why it's important that Asta develops techniques like this "Anti-Mana Skin" to account for these shortcomings

 

[CloverDragon03]

And his all covered in AM so his body itself is not adapting it's just nullifying the effects of the heat

Developing this technique for the purpose of countering Yultim Volcano's heat is textbook Adaptation. You're skewing what qualifies as Adaptation here

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Isn't that's an skill? Like every character can do that ?

Mana skin is what everyone can do now but couldn’t prior, Asta would've burned to death so he simply adapted to his environment by teaching himself a new skill.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Not really, and we've seen that Anti-Magic has its own limitations that no standard magic has. That's why it's important that Asta develops techniques like this "Anti-Mana Skin" to account for these shortcomings

Every magic has its limitations. Anti magic works in a different way. Isn't that volcano based on pure mana ? It's been a long time i read the series. Correct me if I am wrong

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

That's a bad argument to make. Just because Anti-Magic naturally counters magic, doesn't mean it always works, which is why just swinging his sword wasn't enough to cancel out Yultim Volcano's heat. That's why he had to adapt and use his Anti-Magic in a different way

His body itself ain't adapting he just covered himself in AM, why would the AM cancel Yultim Volcano when his AM is limited on range and quantity

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Asta would need to let out a large amount of AM and had long range to nullify Yultim Volcano

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Developing this technique for the purpose of countering Yultim Volcano's heat is textbook Adaptation. You're skewing what qualifies as Adaptation here

Which part of there is adapting? his just really nullifying the effects of the heat of volcano also can you call other staff? i really need to know what they think about this since they could also correct me

 

[CloverDragon03]

His body itself ain't adapting he just covered himself in AM, why would the AM cancel Yultim Volcano when his AM is limited on range and quantity

You keep relying on this "his body itself isn't adapting" argument when that does not hold up at all. Developing the ability to use Black Asta at will and developing an "Anti-Mana Skin," both in direct response to Yultim Volcano's heat, is textbook Adaptation. Anti-Magic's limited range not working on Yultim Volcano is precisely why this is Adaptation. He couldn't deal with it normally, so he had to adapt by developing a new means of dealing with it.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

AM literally counters anything magic in the verse

Nah this man is creating ambiguity in his arguments

anti magic does not counter anything, otherwise Asta would’ve been the strongest in the verse from day 1.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

You keep relying on this "his body itself isn't adapting" argument when that does not hold up at all. Developing the ability to use Black Asta at will and developing an "Anti-Mana Skin," both in direct response to Yultim Volcano's heat, is textbook Adaptation. Anti-Magic's limited range not working on Yultim Volcano is precisely why this is Adaptation. He couldn't deal with it normally, so he had to adapt by developing a new means of dealing with it.

He can't survive that volcano without anti magic which literally shows he didn't adopted he just used anti magic as a Shield

Nah this man is creating ambiguity in his arguments

anti magic does not counter anything, otherwise Asta would’ve been the strongest in the verse from day 1.

That's not the point he is talking about.

 

[CloverDragon03]

He can't survive that volcano without anti magic which literally shows he didn't adopted he just used anti magic as a Shield

And again I say, developing an ability in direct response to something that could not be dealt with before is textbook Adaptation

Why do you guys keep skewing what Adaptation is?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Adaptation does say this

"This can include developing abilities to breathe underwater or in air with variable compositions, withstand different atmospheric pressures, live in much colder or hotter climates, see in greater darkness, develop camouflage colouring to hide from threats, etcetera."

Now this can apply to what Asta did, but I would still say it's limited adaptation

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Nah this man is creating ambiguity in his arguments

anti magic does not counter anything, otherwise Asta would’ve been the strongest in the verse from day 1.

Bruh the name itself say so, thinking asta would be strongest in the verse day 1 since he can counter magic in the verse is kinda dumb, there limits what AM can do the area of effect, the AM that he is letting out, his skill, and depends on what magic the enemy has, how skilled his enemies is, how knowledgeable asta about on his own power, how smart the enemy is and how smart Asta is.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

And again I say, developing an ability in direct response to something that could not be dealt with before is textbook Adaptation

Why do you guys keep skewing what Adaptation is?

Let me explain

Every character who has magic uses mana skin to protect themselves. Just like that asta did same thing using anti magic he isn't got immunity or permanent resistance to volcanos heat. He still needs to use AM mana skin everytime when he goes to that volcano just like other mages.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Adaptation does say this

"This can include developing abilities to breathe underwater or in air with variable compositions, withstand different atmospheric pressures, live in much colder or hotter climates, see in greater darkness, develop camouflage colouring to hide from threats, etcetera."

Now this can apply to what Asta did, but I would still say it's limited adaptation

Let me explain

Every character who has magic uses mana skin to protect themselves. Just like that asta did same thing using anti magic he isn't got immunity or permanent resistance to volcanos heat. He still needs to use AM mana skin everytime when he goes to that volcano just like other mages.

He's still developing this in direct response and to be able to withstand a harsher climate, and unlike standard mages that can use Mana Skin as a basic technique, Asta had to actively develop his own version of it.

So he's still kinda adapting, so I'm fine with Limited Adaptation

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Adaptation does say this

"This can include developing abilities to breathe underwater or in air with variable compositions, withstand different atmospheric pressures, live in much colder or hotter climates, see in greater darkness, develop camouflage colouring to hide from threats, etcetera."

Now this can apply to what Asta did, but I would still say it's limited adaptation

Eh is it really just that still kinda iffy about it but if it's limited i'm fine

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Although i still disagree on the RE tho

 

[CloverDragon03]

Eh is it really just that still kinda iffy about it but if it's limited i'm fine

Limited Adaptation works as a compromise I think

As for Reactive Evolution, I'll need to take another look at the page

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

He's still developing this in direct response and to be able to withstand a harsher climate, and unlike standard mages that can use Mana Skin as a basic technique, Asta had to actively develop his own version of it.

So he's still kinda adapting, so I'm fine with Limited Adaptation

You still repeated what i said yes other mages uses magic to protect themselves from heat asta uses anti magic why should that be adoptive. Is there anywhere it's stated it's impossible for AM to use as a shield to protect themselves from Volcanos heat ?

 

[CloverDragon03]

You still repeated what i said yes other mages uses magic to protect themselves from heat asta uses anti magic why should that be adoptive. Is there anywhere it's stated it's impossible got AM to use as a shield to protect themselves from Volcanos heat ?

Because it's a basic ability all mages can use vs. an ability Asta had to develop himself

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

You still repeated what i said yes other mages uses magic to protect themselves from heat asta uses anti magic why should that be adoptive. Is there anywhere it's stated it's impossible for AM to use as a shield to protect themselves from Volcanos heat ?

I mean i think it's fine since it's limited, it means as long as he has his AM he can adapt

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I mean i think it's fine since it's limited, it means as long as he has his AM he can adapt

Well I guess limited is fine. Even though i disagree

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Not fair that limited is a compromise tho

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Although i still disagree on the RE tho

Reactive Evolution is the ability to, in response to threats and adverse situations, adapt to grow better capable of dealing with any given issue; this can mean growing to become more resistant to certain methods of attack and certain abilities, developing new powers to better defend one's self, or just becoming more powerful to become an even greater threat.

A combination of Adaptation and Reactive Power Level, rather than adapting to better utilize their resources or rather than just growing stronger, the user improves in any number of ways to become more successful, durable, and powerful whenever their respective limits are tested.

Limited Reactive Evolution since he surpasses his limits to counter methods of attack and certain abilities, which he has never countered before, with anti magic.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Not fair that limited is a compromise tho

How is that not fair? A compromise between not having it and fully having it would be having it to a limited degree. Anything else would be more in favor for one side

 

[Arnoldstone18]

How is that not fair? A compromise between not having it and fully having it would be having it to a limited degree. Anything else would be more in favor for one side

I knowwww but it’s fine. I don’t mind that much. Although for Asta to adapt to Kiato he needed to surpass his limits to mimick his dance magic with his body

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I AM THE BUMP OF MY SWORD

 

[speedster352]

I AM THE BUMP OF MY SWORD

That's the weirdest thing I've ever read

 

[Arnoldstone18]

That's the weirdest thing I've ever read

Agreed, sounded better in my head

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

This thread needs to surpass his limits

 

[Arnoldstone18]

That I shall do

I shall summon @Epsilon_R immediately

And for the record Surpassing limits is actually relevant to this thread.

 

[Epsilon_R]

I'm neutral on Reactive Evolution

While we're at it, we should give Accelerated Development to a good chunk of the cast as they evolve quicker in combat and near death experiences