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BLACK CLOVER: ASTA'S REACTIVE EVOLUTION REPLACEMENT AND OTHER ADDITIONS

Lugh_Tuathe_Dé said:
AM literally counters anything magic in the verse
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That's a bad argument to make. Just because Anti-Magic naturally counters magic, doesn't mean it always works, which is why just swinging his sword wasn't enough to cancel out Yultim Volcano's heat. That's why he had to adapt and use his Anti-Magic in a different way
 
CloverDragon03 said:
Mages can use Mana Skin, but since Asta had no magic, he couldn't use Mana Skin. So, he adapted by surrounding himself with Anti-Magic to achieve the same result
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Anti magic is still like a magic which negate magic though.

I am not saying it's magic but I hope you get what i mean.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Anti magic is still like a magic which negate magic though.

I am not saying it's magic but I hope you get what i mean.
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Not really, and we've seen that Anti-Magic has its own limitations that no standard magic has. That's why it's important that Asta develops techniques like this "Anti-Mana Skin" to account for these shortcomings
 
Lugh_Tuathe_Dé said:
And his all covered in AM so his body itself is not adapting it's just nullifying the effects of the heat
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Developing this technique for the purpose of countering Yultim Volcano's heat is textbook Adaptation. You're skewing what qualifies as Adaptation here
 
CloverDragon03 said:
Not really, and we've seen that Anti-Magic has its own limitations that no standard magic has. That's why it's important that Asta develops techniques like this "Anti-Mana Skin" to account for these shortcomings
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Every magic has its limitations. Anti magic works in a different way. Isn't that volcano based on pure mana ? It's been a long time i read the series. Correct me if I am wrong
 
CloverDragon03 said:
That's a bad argument to make. Just because Anti-Magic naturally counters magic, doesn't mean it always works, which is why just swinging his sword wasn't enough to cancel out Yultim Volcano's heat. That's why he had to adapt and use his Anti-Magic in a different way
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His body itself ain't adapting he just covered himself in AM, why would the AM cancel Yultim Volcano when his AM is limited on range and quantity
 
CloverDragon03 said:
Developing this technique for the purpose of countering Yultim Volcano's heat is textbook Adaptation. You're skewing what qualifies as Adaptation here
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Which part of there is adapting? his just really nullifying the effects of the heat of volcano also can you call other staff? i really need to know what they think about this since they could also correct me
 
Lugh_Tuathe_Dé said:
His body itself ain't adapting he just covered himself in AM, why would the AM cancel Yultim Volcano when his AM is limited on range and quantity
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You keep relying on this "his body itself isn't adapting" argument when that does not hold up at all. Developing the ability to use Black Asta at will and developing an "Anti-Mana Skin," both in direct response to Yultim Volcano's heat, is textbook Adaptation. Anti-Magic's limited range not working on Yultim Volcano is precisely why this is Adaptation. He couldn't deal with it normally, so he had to adapt by developing a new means of dealing with it.
 
CloverDragon03 said:
You keep relying on this "his body itself isn't adapting" argument when that does not hold up at all. Developing the ability to use Black Asta at will and developing an "Anti-Mana Skin," both in direct response to Yultim Volcano's heat, is textbook Adaptation. Anti-Magic's limited range not working on Yultim Volcano is precisely why this is Adaptation. He couldn't deal with it normally, so he had to adapt by developing a new means of dealing with it.
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He can't survive that volcano without anti magic which literally shows he didn't adopted he just used anti magic as a Shield
Arnoldstone18 said:
Nah this man is creating ambiguity in his arguments

anti magic does not counter anything, otherwise Asta would’ve been the strongest in the verse from day 1.
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That's not the point he is talking about.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
He can't survive that volcano without anti magic which literally shows he didn't adopted he just used anti magic as a Shield
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And again I say, developing an ability in direct response to something that could not be dealt with before is textbook Adaptation

Why do you guys keep skewing what Adaptation is?
 
Adaptation does say this

"This can include developing abilities to breathe underwater or in air with variable compositions, withstand different atmospheric pressures, live in much colder or hotter climates, see in greater darkness, develop camouflage colouring to hide from threats, etcetera."

Now this can apply to what Asta did, but I would still say it's limited adaptation
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
Nah this man is creating ambiguity in his arguments

anti magic does not counter anything, otherwise Asta would’ve been the strongest in the verse from day 1.
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Bruh the name itself say so, thinking asta would be strongest in the verse day 1 since he can counter magic in the verse is kinda dumb, there limits what AM can do the area of effect, the AM that he is letting out, his skill, and depends on what magic the enemy has, how skilled his enemies is, how knowledgeable asta about on his own power, how smart the enemy is and how smart Asta is.
 
CloverDragon03 said:
And again I say, developing an ability in direct response to something that could not be dealt with before is textbook Adaptation

Why do you guys keep skewing what Adaptation is?
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Let me explain

Every character who has magic uses mana skin to protect themselves. Just like that asta did same thing using anti magic he isn't got immunity or permanent resistance to volcanos heat. He still needs to use AM mana skin everytime when he goes to that volcano just like other mages.
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Adaptation does say this

"This can include developing abilities to breathe underwater or in air with variable compositions, withstand different atmospheric pressures, live in much colder or hotter climates, see in greater darkness, develop camouflage colouring to hide from threats, etcetera."

Now this can apply to what Asta did, but I would still say it's limited adaptation
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Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Let me explain

Every character who has magic uses mana skin to protect themselves. Just like that asta did same thing using anti magic he isn't got immunity or permanent resistance to volcanos heat. He still needs to use AM mana skin everytime when he goes to that volcano just like other mages.
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He's still developing this in direct response and to be able to withstand a harsher climate, and unlike standard mages that can use Mana Skin as a basic technique, Asta had to actively develop his own version of it.

So he's still kinda adapting, so I'm fine with Limited Adaptation
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Adaptation does say this

"This can include developing abilities to breathe underwater or in air with variable compositions, withstand different atmospheric pressures, live in much colder or hotter climates, see in greater darkness, develop camouflage colouring to hide from threats, etcetera."

Now this can apply to what Asta did, but I would still say it's limited adaptation
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Eh is it really just that still kinda iffy about it but if it's limited i'm fine
 
CloverDragon03 said:
He's still developing this in direct response and to be able to withstand a harsher climate, and unlike standard mages that can use Mana Skin as a basic technique, Asta had to actively develop his own version of it.

So he's still kinda adapting, so I'm fine with Limited Adaptation
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You still repeated what i said yes other mages uses magic to protect themselves from heat asta uses anti magic why should that be adoptive. Is there anywhere it's stated it's impossible for AM to use as a shield to protect themselves from Volcanos heat ?
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
You still repeated what i said yes other mages uses magic to protect themselves from heat asta uses anti magic why should that be adoptive. Is there anywhere it's stated it's impossible got AM to use as a shield to protect themselves from Volcanos heat ?
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Because it's a basic ability all mages can use vs. an ability Asta had to develop himself
 
Lugh_Tuathe_Dé said:
Although i still disagree on the RE tho
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Reactive Evolution is the ability to, in response to threats and adverse situations, adapt to grow better capable of dealing with any given issue; this can mean growing to become more resistant to certain methods of attack and certain abilities, developing new powers to better defend one's self, or just becoming more powerful to become an even greater threat.

A combination of Adaptation and Reactive Power Level, rather than adapting to better utilize their resources or rather than just growing stronger, the user improves in any number of ways to become more successful, durable, and powerful whenever their respective limits are tested.
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Limited Reactive Evolution since he surpasses his limits to counter methods of attack and certain abilities, which he has never countered before, with anti magic.
 
CloverDragon03 said:
How is that not fair? A compromise between not having it and fully having it would be having it to a limited degree. Anything else would be more in favor for one side
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I knowwww but it’s fine. I don’t mind that much. Although for Asta to adapt to Kiato he needed to surpass his limits to mimick his dance magic with his body
 
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