Bill Cipher VS Monika... Again

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Speed equalized


Bill Cipher: 0

Monika: 0

Inconclusive: 0

 

[Eficiente]

Monika writes, Bill's dead. Alternatively, Bill kills her, then she kills him and revives herself. This is a stomp.

 

[Christian_Higdon]

Oh, come on!

 

[Dragopentling]

"Kore Wa Stompu Desu Ga?"

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Plot manipulation gg and because I don't think Bill can harm Nonexistent

 

[Christian_Higdon]

Come oooooooooon!

Anyways, stomp.

 

[Eficiente]

Plot manip has nothing to do with this being a stomp tho, it's not as if it were passive or something. Yes, Bill can't do anyting to Nonexistent being as he has no feats of doing so.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

 

[JooCipher]

does The Axolotl sound like a better match up for Monika?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Axolotl gets stomped too.

 

[Eficiente]

does The Axolotl sound like a better match up for Monika?

I don't think you read why Bill loses here.

 

[JooCipher]

god dammit

Alex Hirsch needs to step up his game and give some explanation on Axolotl already so God Amphibian can get more matches

 

[Eficiente]

Can someone just add a pic of Axolotl in the verse page of GF? Idk how to make an image looking like the others there.

 

[Dragopentling]

And people saying we should upgrade Bill to 2A.

Pffft, please, his supposed 2A AP calcs will be too vague to make sense.

 

[QrowBarr]

Somebody hakai this thread.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Bill could be infinitely above baseline 2-A and Monika would still stomp.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

doesn't Bill bave non-physical interaction?

That wasn't removed to my Knowledge

 

[Christian_Higdon]

Can Bill hit things that don't exist?

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

I mean

He never demonstrated harming something that's nonexistent.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Can Bill hit things that don't exist?

No.

 

[QrowBarr]

I thought Monika only gets nonexistent when she gets deleted?

 

[Christian_Higdon]

Well, great, this stinks then.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

he is shown touching dipper's non corporeal form here https://youtu.be/BIxGnernDM0?t=83

 

[Dragopentling]

he is shown touching dipper's non corporeal form here https://youtu.be/BIxGnernDM0?t=83

But that's because it's non-combat-applicable Soul Manipulation.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

my comment

But that's because it's non-combat-applicable Soul Manipulation.

?

The question was can Bill affect non corporeal beings, the answer is yes he is shown touching one right here

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Touching a ghost =/= touching a nonexistent being.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

Dipper in that state was non corporeal, we know this because this he was in the same state as Bill who was also Non corporeal

If Monika is non corporeal and Bill could touch non corporeal beings, then he can touch Monika

 

[Christian_Higdon]

Dude

Monika doesn't even exist in her Non-Corporeal state.

Bill can't affect her.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

oh sorry, didn't know she had non existent physiology

But why are we assuming she is in that state and not in her actual body which she has for the majority of the game, those abilities come from her staying alive after she has been erased

 

[Christian_Higdon]

Basically, if Bill physically kills her, she's nonexistent and can easily delete him.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

but it doesn't seem that the deletion affects the soul, or whatever is the center of the being, as Monika was able to survive. Or beings with Non corporeality can just survive

soooo... wouldn't bill just be put in his first key? He can still Maddness hax her or just fight her in the mindscape where he would surely reign supreme and at least subdue her to a degree

 

[QrowBarr]

Or can... y'know. Put her to sleep, petrify her, transmute her, etc.

 

[Christian_Higdon]

You put up a good point. I mean, Monika isn't 4-D. I'll just wait.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

You put up a good point. I mean, Monika isn't 4-D. I'll just wait.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...aw1XEnXOG-QrXea7lU50uCS4&ust=1554609199455509

 

[Eficiente]

Or can... y'know. Put her to sleep, petrify her, transmute her, etc.

None of this works with a consciousness that doesn't care about its body, I have a thread on the matter give me a second.

 

[QrowBarr]

Haven't caught up much with DDLC so I won't say much.

 

[Eficiente]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2653624

There. I'm not proud of it but still. Now if no one's going to close this can everyone just stop commenting here?

 

[ZeedKZ]

I dont think that Monika stomps Axolotl, probably Axolotl can win this

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Yes she does.

 

[Dragopentling]

she could stomp both of them at once. Anyways, I'm pretty sure we've made it crystal clear that Bill can't defeat her in any way barring some dumb PIS or CIS shenanigans.