Bill cipher (Gravity falls) vs Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale) (Both normal at first and then can go full power)

[ThemoonprinceN]

• Asriel was in the underground as his battle with frisk had endded recenlty as suddenly a portal opened next to him as bill cipher came out* "WOW WHAT A TRIP!" *he said streching as he looked around and saw asriel* "Hey there kid! What's your name?" *He asked*

"A-asriel? Why?" *He asked as cipher laughed*

"Because your talking to your new overlord" *He said as asriel went wide eyed*

"N-no your not! My dad rules this realm!" *He said as cipher looked at him closely*

"And who's goanna stop me then?" *He asked as asriel went into his dreemurr form as he looked over cipher*

"Me" *he said simply*


Who would win? (Don't know why people haven't thought of this yet)

 

[ThemoonprinceN]

I don't even know who would win there both just so strong OwO

 

[SomebodyData]

Bill has more hax and is possibly 2-A he wins. (Hey good job Moon, not a spite match

 

[ThemoonprinceN]

Well i woulnd't say that somebody, because you have a being who controls all reailty veruas a being who can mess up reailty but if the being who controls it is already aware he can exalie him


(Hey i've made plenty before

 

[ThemoonprinceN]

Anyone else who think would win in this?

 

[Gnomishness]

In the scenario you made, Asreal doesn't have the humans souls and is thus pathetically weak. Bill Cipher wins there.

In the scenario you're probably referring to, Asreal (even at partial power) has infinite Attack, Infinite Defense and (likely) Infinite speed along with a Destructive capacity capable of erasing the entire timeline and (if this isn't obvious) the ability to control his own form to be whatever he wants to be.

I am not a personal fan of Gravity Falls, but I have not seen or heard of anything Base form Cipher can do against that. From my understanding, his power isn't quite infinite or Universe/timeline erasing until he become physical.

The only reason Bill would win that first fight would be through Asreal sabotaging himself (which he admittedly might do due to his personality and mentality going into this)

The second fight is up in the air.

 

[ThemoonprinceN]

Hmmmm i see what you mean

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

The problem here is that we know the upper limits of neither. Bill has yet to face a worthy opponent and Asriel was never even remotely damaged after his initial transformation, so I'm genuinely not sure who'd win. For overall power, I'd say Bill (based solely on what's been hinted at. I couldn't say for sure, for either combatant), but I'd say Asriel for durability and resilience, as no matter how many times Bill manages to strike him down, he's just going to instantly be on his feet, again.

 

[ThemoonprinceN]

I can also see your point

 

[Gnomishness]

Overall power goes to Bill?

Really?

1st form Asreal casually blew up the entire timeline in the space of 10 gameplay seconds...

Bill certainly cant do that... At least no without a physical form right?

/about to check the wiki page

/New to the site; Sorry

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Like I said, that's possibly, and only due to what we've heard about his power, not what he's done.

However, like I said, we don't know the upper limits of either of them, so there's that.

 

[Pikachu942]

This is REALLY close but I'm leaning towards Asriel in first and god forms for this. Using even a fraction of his power destroyed an entire timeline, and his full power far exceeds that, making even max determination Frisk unable to do anything which is insane. I'd argue there was potential for God Asriel to destroy every timeline there is, which would make him what, 2-B, 2-A, somewhere around there. I think it's close but Asriel barely takes it.

 

[Gnomishness]

Ok. Yea.

More even then I first thought, but the "first form"/"normal" battle should still go to Asreal.

I'm convinced.

Definitively infinite stats is enough to overpower hypothetically infinite stats like Bill Cypher has.

Especially if the Souls support him.

Especially if Bill Cipher isn't in a physical form.

Especially if Asreal actually genuinely tries to win.

 

[Salavtore]

Ariel: -reset reset reset reset reset reset reset-

I dunno, i think asriel may have this, his hax is really something not often seen in any games. He could toy around with cipher as cipher would with others.

They both technically have soul manipulation, asriel has shown he can handle a whole community of souls more so than cipher.

Asriel also (just like cipher) even toys with the game's intro, as cipher did with gravity falls intro. (only he did it as flowey but their the same technically)

 

[Salavtore]

Hell, could be a stalemate in the end.

 

[ThemoonprinceN]

So do we add this as a undecided match between the two then?

 

[Gnomishness]

I'm willing to argue in Asreal's favor. At very least, the first fight should go to him. Other people have proposed this as the more likely possibility as well.

 

[Squid_peanut]

it really gets down to if Asriel has time manipulation advantage. they both clearly can manipulate time but if the most determined person thing kicks in that prevents anyone else from manipulating time it would make it pretty much impossible for asriel to lose as he could just create a save state, redo an attack infinite times until it hit and just repeat that until he bullshits a perfect run. granted Asriel isn't as sadistic as say Flowey, but given his opponent him going all in isn't far fetched

 

[The_Everlasting]

Well, Bill killed time by merely entering the physical realm.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Well, Bill killed time by merely entering the physical realm.

They both kinda do stuff like this. Asriel doesn't need time to exist to manipulate "time", as he could still do so even after he'd erased the timeline, implying the "time" he uses is from a higher level of existence and not our basic time (hence immeasurable speed, etc.).

 

[The_Everlasting]

The question is if Asriel can still SAVE and LOAD if he does that.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

The question is if Asriel can still SAVE and LOAD if he does that.

Considering Flowey could do that, and Asriel using even the tiniest fraction of his power was >>>>>>>> Omega Flowey, I'd say yes.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Not sure you can powerscale something like that. Not that it matters, I'm just saying.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Asriel and Flowey are literally the same person, though. Omega Flowey is Flowey with 6 human souls, and Asriel is Flowey with 6 human souls plus every monster soul.

 

[The_Everlasting]

I meant you made it sound like Asriel could do it better, I did not mean to say Asriel couldn't do that at all.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Nah, I'm just saying he can do it. It's not really a power based ability, after all.

 

[Hyper_Anon]

Maybe Asriel?