Big Fish downgrade (Another Instant death thread)

[Dark_Soul20189]

Welp, here we are for another Instant Death verse thread, I do think this one should also be relatively self-evident and straightforward.

Profile - Celestial Foundation Eater

Now let's get to the thread

Fire Manipulation, Mind Manipulation (Threaten to incinerate or manipulate Yogiri and Tomochika to kill each other

As we can see on the scan, the Mind manipulation is complete Bull, He just talks about manipulating someone and that is supposed to be "mind manipulation"?

Also, the fire manipulation is sketchy, all it shows is the CFE thinking to himself if he should incinerate someone. Now if a normal human were to throw someone in a fire and incinerate them, would they also have fire manipulation? The answer is no. To make things worse, it has no other feats or statements of it ever manipulating fire of any kind. So my point is, that this alone doesn't prove that he can manipulate or use fire.

Votes

Fire manipulation Removal
Agree - @SweetDao ( agrees, but would be fine with a "possibly" rating), @LephyrTheRevanchist,
disagree - @StorytellingDemonKing (should be changed to a "likely"),
Neutral -

Mind Manipulation removal
Agree - @StorytellingDemonKing, @SweetDao, @LephyrTheRevanchist,
Disagree -
Neutral -

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

I agree with Mind Manipulation removal, disagree with Fire Manipulation since it seems legit.

 

[Huesito88]

With a title like that I thought this would be bigger

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

Actually, Mind Manipulation could probably be changed to Social Influencing. (Coercion)

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

With a title like that I thought this would be bigger

Welp, I do small ones, and believe me. I could do a much larger one for CFE if I wanted to, but I prefer to make more and smaller ones. It prevents any form of distractions.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Fire Manipulation since it seems legit.

May I question though, why you think it's enough?

Not trying to force you or invalidate your vote, just curious if I can counter your argument to try to win you over.

 

[SweetDao]

Actually, Mind Manipulation could probably be changed to Social Influencing. (Coercion)

Well, I mean, I guess. But then he could just force them to do so without any supernatural abilities too, in some sort of death game.

I don't see how fire manipulation would be legit tho, probably another case of taking stuff too literally.

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

May I question though, why you think it's enough?

Not trying to force you or invalidate your vote, just curious if I can counter your argument to try to win you over.

Seems the most likely that it would be an ability, since he talks about instantly killing them. Mostly due to having powers already and not a human who would need, for example, a flame thrower, so I don't see why not just keep fire manipulation. Though we could just add "likely fire manipulation".

 

[SweetDao]

I suppose someone could make the case that "since the true form could incinerate the CF, his avatar could do the same" but eh, kinda flimsy to my taste. I'd also need to check the raw just in case "incinerate" is another invention of the OTL.

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

Well, I mean, I guess. But then he could just force them to do so without any supernatural abilities too, in some sort of death game.

I mean he would still be coercing them into killing each other, so still social influencing even if a death game.

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

I suppose someone could make the case that "since the true form could incinerate the CF, his avatar could do the same" but eh, kinda flimsy to my taste. I'd also need to check the raw just in case "incinerate" is another invention of the OTL.

Actually now I don't see why it would be flimsy, so yeah I agree with removing mind manip (or changing it to social influencong) but seems fire manipulation can stay.

Anyway, I don't have any stakes here nor know much about the verse, just giving my input as an outsider.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Seems the most likely that it would be an ability, since he talks about instantly killing them. Mostly due to having powers already and not a human who would need, for example, a flame thrower, so I don't see why not just keep fire manipulation. Though we could just add "likely fire manipulation".

While I can understand this argument, it should be noted that instant death is well-known for its flowery language. Some of the more extreme examples of this included their NEP and Regeneration, which have been hard-nuked recently due to flowery language, instead of proof of that ability. This means that anything that Instant death characters say, can be taken with a grain of salt. So an ability that is gained from a being talking to himself, without mentioning how he does it, or have any other feats of similar properties, and too top it all with a verse that is well known for having flowery language, I think it's safe to assume that it lacks any proof of being able to manipulate fire.

 

[SweetDao]

I mean he would still be coercing them into killing each other, so still social influencing even if a death game.

Hmmm... I suppose it's a case where the information are too ambiguous, so fair, if you think that's the case, it can be changed.

Actually now I don't see why it would be flimsy, so yeah I agree with removing mind manip (or changing it to social influencong) but seems fire manipulation can stay.

I've checked the raw in the meantime and here's what I got (MTL, obviously):

The perspective shifts to the armored vehicle. A girl was driving, with a boy in the passenger seat.
The Celestial Foundation Eater was irritated, pondering what to do with them.
Should it burn them alive, or perhaps manipulate their minds and force them to kill each other? No, simply killing them was too mild—it might be better to tear off their limbs and toss them into a cesspit.

And then, the Celestial Foundation Eater realized it was going to die in ten seconds.

Which personally, I feel like would make the mind manip more convincing (Unless it's metaphorically speaking about "manipulating" them to fight each other) while the fire manip still somewhat ambiguous. Obviously, we can make the case "that he listed how he could kill them with his abilities" but, I mean, the last part of the sentence clearly indicate some sort of physical action from his part.

He could very well go there, restrain them and throw them in a fire, is what I mean. So maybe changing it to possibly would be for the best.

Edit : I'm okay with mind manip, and only possibly for fire manip.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

OP looks fine, though to be noted, I know nothing of this verse