Beyonder vs God

[Sandman31]

Now that God has been upgraded to his rightful place, let's see how he'll fare against the one from Beyond

Both 1-A

God:

Beyonder:

 

[Sandman31]

Bump

 

[Sandman31]

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[Quantu]

Beyonder can't put God down. Inconclusive at best for him.

How powerful is God compared to Death, Destiny, Michael, Lucy etc.?

 

[Sandman31]

God isnt from DC, hes from a Vertigo series that isnt connected to the DC canon

About how powerful is God

God is an eternal ocean, the cosmic soul, the source of everything that exists. Even the truest self/souls of humans are beyond time and space and are beings of infinite oneness yet they are still floating in Gods eternal conciusness

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

If the Beyonder is above Oblivion, he would be beyond a void that consumes all concepts. I think God should be beyond that, if he's beyond something that is transdual.

 

[Sandman31]

The true selves of humans are transdual 1-As, duality is just a part of God's cosmic illusion (Maya) so that humans can find expression and his love or something like that

God is basically Brahman and the true self of humans is basically Atman

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Yeah. Like I said. The Beyonder should lose.

 

[DMB_1]

If the Beyonder is above Oblivion, he would be beyond a void that consumes all concepts. I think God should be beyond that, if he's beyond something that is transdual.

Pretty sure that that's not how 1-A scale works: to be higher into the scale, you have to be above other 1-As, not to be above unspecified concepts (which haven't shown to be 1-A).

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Then you don't know how 1-A works.

 

[Wokistan]

To be fair, transdual concepts do exist, and transduality on its own is no longer enough for being 1-A without other supportive statements.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

I didn't say they didn't exist. And actual transduality shouldn't exist below 1-A. Without other supportive statements, for the most part, it just isn't transduality.

 

[ProspectX]

To be fair, transdual concepts do exist

???

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Beyonder is well above a base 1-A, God is base 1-A. Beyonder should probably win.

 

[RKGenki]

>God is base 1-A

Sure

 

[Aeyu]

God wins. He's also getting upped to straight 1-A, and a high degree of 1-A at that.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

Yeah, The Magician beats Frank for Aeyu and Genki's reasons.

 

[Misterman21]

God wins. He's also getting upped to straight 1-A, and a high degree of 1-A at that.

Wait, what makes this God character a high degree of 1-A

 

[Misterman21]

Beyonder is well above a base 1-A, God is base 1-A. Beyonder should probably win.

Beyonder is base 1-A IIRC.

 

[Xantospoc]

Misterman21 wrote
Beyonder is base 1-A IIRC.
He scales above Oblivion, a base 1-A

 

[Aeyu]

@Misterman

God created and stands over all of existence itself, is transdual, and could actually be tier 0, but we lack enough evidence to formally give that tier.

Not appealing to authority, but according to Azathoth:

"He's treated as a genuinely transdual entity of infinite oneness who is beyond time, existed fully before creation , and who created the limitations of existence. This is sort of a CliffsNotes version, but I believe just "1-A" is perfectly acceptable. I don't believe he's "lol 1-A fodder" or something, either. He meets more requirements than just the basics in terms of abilities and his nature."

 

[Misterman21]

@Misterman
God created and stands over all of existence itself, is transdual, and could actually be tier 0, but we lack enough evidence to formally give that tier.

Not appealing to authority, but according to Azathoth:

"He's treated as a genuinely transdual entity of infinite oneness who is beyond time, existed fully before creation , and who created the limitations of existence. This is sort of a CliffsNotes version, but I believe just "1-A" is perfectly acceptable. I don't believe he's "lol 1-A fodder" or something, either. He meets more requirements than just the basics in terms of abilities and his nature."

Ah I see. So he's more powerful than the Presence?

 

[Aeyu]

I could be mistaken, but I don't think they scale to one another.

 

[Sandman31]

Yeah, they dont scale

And I've been reading comics where the Presence appears and its crazy lol sometimes the stories contradicts each other.

Also, I dont think God is more powerful than The Presence if we take all of the Presence's feat from all of his appearances in comics

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

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