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Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) vs The Presence

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If in his realm, the Beyonder. If not, the Presence. Should have pu the Living Tribunal.
 
PR Beyonder is infinite dimensional. The Presence is 12-dimensional.

It is "High 1-B vs 1-B".

PR Beyonder stomps.
 
> He's only ∞-D in the Beyond Realm, but presumably 12-D otherwise.


Why people think that PRB is weaker outside of his realm?
 
Because he was stated as no longer infinite-dimensional outsida of it, and to have power millions of times above multiversal scale.
 
How many dimensions does the Presence encompass? 12? Higher? Lower?
 
@Sheoth

Presumably at least 12, as he's supposed to be far superior to Michael and Lucifer, who have both shown the ability to create the totality of a multiverse.
 
Far superior to 11-dimensional beings huh... That could mean anything really, meaning at least 12-D like you said then...

If the Beyonder is solid 12-D, I would go with the Presence due to possibly being much much higher.
 
Can what dimension a person resides in, be acquired through feats like "creating the totality of the multiverse?" Like is creating the totality of the multiverse automatically 12 dimensional?
 
FTW395 said:
Can what dimension a person resides in, be acquired through feats like "creating the totality of the multiverse?" Like is creating the totality of the multiverse automatically 12 dimensional?
No some characters can affect higher dimensions despite residing in lower ones.
 
FTW395 said:
Can what dimension a person resides in, be acquired through feats like "creating the totality of the multiverse?" Like is creating the totality of the multiverse automatically 12 dimensional?
As CHILL said, there are indeed lower dimensional characters with higher dimensional power. For instance, Haruka Kaminogi is a 3-D human being with 5-D power.
 
Only if the Beyonder is in his realm, but that becomes a major stomp based on whats said here. Both Beyonder(assuming this is him outside his personal realm) and the Presence, since both are like Low 1-B, this could go either way.

If i had to lowkey choose one blindly, i'd go with PRB.
 
Beyonder should win even outside of Beyond Realm. He is millions of times stronger than all of Marvel forces combined.
 
Jockey-1337 said:
Beyonder should win even outside of Beyond Realm. He is millions of times stronger than all of Marvel forces combined.
Dude, we already got about that part~
 
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