Ben Tennyson vs Ruby Rose

[Spinoirr]

Speed is = and post haven ruby rose Is being used and Ben can only use any high 8-C alien that he doesn't stomp ruby with. He starts out in Arctiguana

Ben can only use these ailens: (Arctiguana, Armodrillo, Blitzwolfer, Chamalien, Cannonbolt, Bullfrag, XLR8, Heatblast, Humungousaur, Jetray, Kickin Hawk, Rath, Ripjaws, Snare-oh, Spidermonkey, Spitter, Terraspin, Upgrade, Water Hazard, Wildmutt, Diamondhead, Fourarms, Fasttrack, Frankenstrike, Eye Guy, Echo Echo, Shocksquatch)

Ruby's AP: 6.935 Tons, higher with Gravity dust
Ben's AP: 3.92 tons to 7.09 tons

Ben Tennyson:

Ruby rose:

Icon:

 

[Spinoirr]

Bump

 

[Nico-v11]

Well Ben, as per usual, holds the versatility advantage massively.

 

[Spinoirr]

Bump

 

[Sir_Ovens]

So does Ben have master control? If not only one character really stands a chance and that's Fasttrack via blitzing.

 

[Spinoirr]

He does

 

[Spinoirr]

I mean Bloxx has low mid Regen

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Well, Ruby is far more skilled and anything other than Bloxx will get sliced and killed. That being said, Bloxx does not have the LS to contain her, so that becomes moot. I think Ben is more likely to win via blitz with Fasttrack. Ruby just can't kill Ben fast enough before Fasttrack eventually gets chosen and wins.

 

[Spinoirr]

Bump

 

[Spinoirr]

Bump

 

[Greenshifter]

Well, Ruby is far more skilled and anything other than Bloxx will get sliced and killed

Luckily the failsafe is a thing, edit: which you probably accounted for

Imma go over some of Ben’s aliens here and why they’re not useless here.

Arctiguana

Potent ice, future version of him froze future Vilgax.

heatblast

Can go supernova hot which is 6 billion Kelvin.

diamondhead

Can point at people to encase them in crystals, Class M’s like Malware can’t break out of this.

Echo Echo

Can dura neg via sound manipulation and can create too much clones for Ruby to overwhelm.

fasttrack

Speed, as said before.

Ruby is far more skilled

No idea how skilled she is. Practically all of OV Ben’s aliens scale above Vilgax in skill, who’s relative to Max who’s on the level of the best bounty hunters in the galaxy due to being one of the Plumbers’ best. Vilgax also has a skill feat of fighting a planetary ectonurite army for a few weeks without getting possessed. Vilgax also has centuries of experience fighting as a criminal. I’m guessing all of this just means Ben will not be completely outskilled here and thus waltz via versatility and not being able to die essentially.

 

[Spinoirr]

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[Spinoirr]

Bump

 

[Spinoirr]

"Well, Ruby is far more skilled and anything other than Bloxx will get sliced and killed. That being said, Bloxx does not have the LS to contain her, so that becomes moot. I think Ben is more likely to win via blitz with Fasttrack. Ruby just can't kill Ben fast enough before Fasttrack eventually gets chosen and wins."

Since speed is equal doesnt Ruby blitz Fasttrack via her semblance?

"Arctiguana: Potent ice, future version of him froze future Vilgax."

How potent exactly? Ruby can use her semblance to boil water near instantly, and since it turns her into a cloud of molecules she can use it to reposition herself if frozen in a block of ice if not deconstruct the ice entirely as she would be touching it

"heatblast: Can go supernova hot which is 6 billion Kelvin."

Was it ever actually measured to be that hot or just described as that? Because that seems more like hyperbole seeing as the two times his fire attacks were described as that all they did was vaporize water while people were nearby, when 6 billion K heat would have vaporized everything for miles even when concentrated on a human-sized source like Heatblast.

"diamondhead: Can point at people to encase them in crystals, Class M’s like Malware can’t break out of this."

Same as the ice, Ruby can likely deconstruct it with her semblance. Also encasing opponents requires Diamondhead to actually get into CQC and grapple them, he hasnt shown the ability to do so at range.

"Echo Echo: Can dura neg via sound manipulation and can create too much clones for Ruby to overwhelm."

Echo Echo and his clones are also glass cannons and would fall victim to any one of Ruby's elemental AoE bullets if she uses them, Lightning dust in particular would be especially bad as it chains between opponents.

"fasttrack: Speed, as said before.

As speed is equalized, Ruby would actually be faster than Fasttrack with her semblance."

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Speed equalized does not equalize relative speed. Since Ben starts out in human form, Fasttrack is considered a speed amp and is proportionally faster.

Considering regular Ben is like average human speed and Fasttrack is Relativistic, he blitzes Ruby thousands of times over.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

How potent exactly? Ruby can use her semblance to boil water near instantly

When does Ruby do this?

 

[Spinoirr]

Considering regular Ben is like average human speed and Fasttrack is Relativistic, he blitzes Ruby thousands of times over.

Ben is actually starting out in the frist Alien I listed

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

i "Arctiguana: Potent ice, future version of him froze future Vilgax."

How potent exactly?

• Arctiguana’s ice is cold enough to freeze lava, presumably being colder than any temperature Aura has resisted
• Arctiguana’s ice can make tough substances brittle enough to be shattered

Though I presume Ruby could evade it with her Self-Deconstruction, yeah

 

[Spinoirr]

As for skill, Ruby is definitely the more skilled of the two. Ruby has been training in combat since childhood and was personally trained by one of the most skilled fighters in the world to wield what Ozpin, a man who has been around for millennia and over the course of his life has personally overseen the training of hundreds of armies worth of huntsmen and huntresses all of whom had their own personal unique weapons, described as one of the most dangerous weapons ever created. Even at Signal Academy, the combat school she attended before Beacon, her training from Qrow put her far beyond her peers, a level of skill which led Ozpin to accept her into Beacon Academy, one of the most prestigious combat colleges in the world, two years before the usual age of admittance. While at Beacon, Ruby developed skills as a decisive leader, being able to formulate and execute plans with others in order to take down tougher foes, such as the giant Nevermore the team encountered during initiation, and later in coordinated attacks against Roman in an Atlesian Paladin-290. Ruby's fighting capitalizes on her creative uses of and methods for achieving momentum, using a combination of her Semblance and Crescent Rose's recoil to allow her to achieve massive impact force, then speeding away to avoid counterattacks and prepare her next strike, maintaining an edge over her opponent and keeping them constantly off balance.

While Ben does have some conventional martial arts training courtesy of Gwen and Max, he isnt a primarily skill-based fighter. The vast majority of Ben's fighting style with the Master Control is throwing different aliens at his opponents until something sticks or until he finds a weakness he can exploit.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Ben is actually starting out in the frist Alien I listed

My point still stands. Fasttrack is leagues faster than Artiguana.

 

[Spinoirr]

It's a speed amp sure but so is Ruby's semblance

So those cancel each other out thanks to speed equalization

 

[Spinoirr]

When does Ruby do this?

In the justice league comic (which was said to be cannon by the writers)

 

[Spinoirr]

1. Why is fasttrack considered relativistic in movement speed scaling to people who are only relativistic in combat speed? Fasttrack is also canonically slower than XLR8 and had trouble keeping up with stuff like missiles in the past
2. Fasttrack can be tripped up by ice attacks and can still be paralyzed so Ruby's dust ammo would still mess him up if he gets near her
3. Even if we accept him winning by blitzing her, that's one alien out of the entire list that can do so. Unless he leads with Fasttrack immediately theres still a very good chance that Ruby beats him before he uses Fasttrack. Ben would have one alien that can definitively beat Ruby out of a large selection, whereas Ruby has multiple ways to beat all of his other transformations from the start.

 

[Spinoirr]

Ben is allowed any high 8-C alien that doesn't stomp ruby

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Swampfire?

 

[Greenshifter]

How potent exactly?

Vilgax survived in space for a few weeks, that might be more stamina than cold resistance though since he did get frozen solid. Future Vilgax also has counters to every one of Ben’s aliens programmed into his DNA yet he still got frozen by Arctiguana.

Was it ever actually measured to be that hot or just described as that? Because that seems more like hyperbole seeing as the two times his fire attacks were described as that all they did was vaporize water while people were nearby, when 6 billion K heat would have vaporized everything for miles even when concentrated on a human-sized source like Heatblast.

Heatblast has good control over his fire and the heat necessary to perform the feat would have still vaporized everything for miles… which he actually did as a baby, although maybe slightly less than literal miles. Gwen’s also extremely smart (and just straight up got the explanation on Pyronites in a canon comic) and the supernova hot thing was actually relevant to beat the threat at hand, I see no reason why she’d be hyperboling at this point.

Also encasing opponents requires Diamondhead to actually get into CQC and grapple them, he hasnt shown the ability to do so at range.

Negative Diamondhead did to Kevin’s feet. Future DH did to Animo iirc. Ben himself has shown the crystal manipulation necessary to do this.

elemental AoE bullets

Which they can’t reflect with sound waves?

Also wouldn’t Ruby have significant trouble trying to KO Ben? Considering she can’t kill him she’ll have to adjust her usual strategy to a non-lethal variant she’s not used to no, heck if she even realizes that KO-ing is the solution?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Echo Echo can use his sound waves for Attack Reflection and to create shields to deal with Ruby’s bullets

 

[Greenshifter]

Just a heads up that basically all of Ben’s aliens with fire, ice and radiation attacks scale above the supernova hot thing minus maybe Arctiguana.

 

[Spinoirr]

"Just a heads up that basically all of Ben’s aliens with fire, ice and radiation attacks scale above the supernova hot thing minus maybe Arctiguana."
still would like proof of it actually being the actual heat of a supernova other than just a statement. if it were actually the heat of a suprnova it would hav vaporizd the cave heatblast used his attack in, and would have vaporized all the people around him as well

"Echo Echo can use his sound waves for Attack Reflection and to create shields to deal with Ruby’s bullets"
The AP of Ruby's bullets is higher than that of Echo Echo's sound waves so that likely wouldnt work, and trying to do that against hr dust ammo would cause her bullets to explode in his face

"Swampfire?"
Swampfire stomps Ruby, she has nothing that can do any sort of permanent damage to him

"Arctiguana’s ice is cold enough to freeze lava, presumably being colder than any temperature Aura has resisted"
Aura has actually resisted the heat of being submerged in lava before with zero issue

"Vilgax survived in space for a few weeks, that might be more stamina than cold resistance though since he did get frozen solid. Future Vilgax also has counters to every one of Ben’s aliens programmed into his DNA yet he still got frozen by Arctiguana."
Neither of those really explain how potent his ice is though? Though its apparently potent enough to freeze lava but Ruby can still use the aforementioned semblance deconstruction trick to escape assuming he hits her with it.

"Heatblast has good control over his fire and the heat necessary to perform the feat would have still vaporized everything for miles… which he actually did as a baby, although maybe slightly less than literal miles. Gwen’s also extremely smart (and just straight up got the explanation on Pyronites in a canon comic) and the supernova hot thing was actually relevant to beat the threat at hand, I see no reason why she’d be hyperboling at this point."



Okay but in the case of baby heatblast there were people with no heat resistance standing a few feet away from him and they werent vaporized, with Gwen directly referring to it as a meltdown, not as though he were actually using the heat of a supernova. If it were the actual heat of a supernova the rocks around him would have also been vaporized.



Same with the weather monster fight, all it did was vaporize water, it didnt do any form of damage to the surroundings and there were people feet away who werent affected. Its more than likely hyperbolic unless theres an actual canon measurement that his heat is actually comparable to a supernova.

"Negative Diamondhead did to Kevin’s feet. Future DH did to Animo iirc. Ben himself has shown the crystal manipulation necessary to do this."

Both of which show that the encasement itself takes a few seconds to complete, which is more than enough time for Ruby to escape before she gets fully encased, and she can still semblance her way out if she does end up encased. Doing so via Crystal Manip just makes crystals around the opponent, something Ruby can easily get around again through her semblance. Also, both of these require Diamondhead to remain stationary, which would make him a sitting duck for Ruby even at a distance.

"Which they can’t reflect with sound waves?"
Correct, the AP of Ruby's bullets is higher than that of Echo Echo's sound waves so that likely wouldnt work, she can use Gravity Dust bullets to increase the power of her shots even more, and trying to do that against her dust ammo would cause her bullets to explode in his face.

"Also wouldn’t Ruby have significant trouble trying to KO Ben? Considering she can’t kill him she’ll have to adjust her usual strategy to a non-lethal variant she’s not used to no, heck if she even realizes that KO-ing is the solution?"
Why wouldnt she be able to kill him? Nothing i said in the OP says she cant kill him.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

"Arctiguana’s ice is cold enough to freeze lava, presumably being colder than any temperature Aura has resisted"
Aura has actually resisted the heat of being submerged in lava before with zero issue

So? How does Heat Resistance (tanking lava) have any bearing on how they’d handle the cold (being frozen)?

 

[Spinoirr]

Because if she can handle the extreme temperature of lava then she would with ice

Even without good enough ice resistance she can just dodge useing her semblance out of the way of the ice beam and sneek attack behind Ben like she did with neo in vol 8 but with her weapon this time

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Because if she can handle the extreme temperature of lava then she would with ice

No, that’s not how that works, heat =/= cold.

 

[Spinoirr]

Well she can she can resist the cold of walking around in the solias in casual clothing with no issue. It's so cold there it can kill a person without aura in a few minutes, however I'm not sure that's as good as cooling lava into rock in one blast

 

[Spinoirr]

Ok here are all the aliens Ben can use and the ones he can't use

Fair: Arctiguana, Armodrillo, Blitzwolfer, Chamalien, Cannonbolt, Bullfrag, XLR8, Heatblast, Humungousaur, Jetray, Kickin Hawk, Rath, Ripjaws, Snare-oh, Spidermonkey, Spitter, Terraspin, Upgrade, Water Hazard, Wildmutt, Diamondhead, Fourarms, Fasttrack, Frankenstrike, Eye Guy, Echo Echo, Shocksquatch

Unfair: Alien X, Way Big, Feedback, Ghostfreak, Ampfibian, Big Chill, Atomix, Ball Weevil, Eatle, Swampfire, Whampire, Wildvine, Goop, Toepick, Upchuck, Clockwork, Pesky Dust, NRG, Bloxx, Chromastone, Gravattack, Lodestar, Gutrot

 

[Spinoirr]

Also ruby one shots 5 tons in this key and is at least 6.935 Tons of TNT

So she would likely one shot most of Ben's aliens

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Mmmm, Upgrade can takes control of CR and turns it into a weapon of destruction

 

[Spinoirr]

Can't upgrade only upgrade tech and not guns?

 

[Spinoirr]

Mmmm, Upgrade can takes control of CR and turns it into a weapon of destruction

But would Ben even go into upgrade if he knows Arcticgaua isn't working?

 

[Spinoirr]

Mmmm, Upgrade can takes control of CR and turns it into a weapon of destruction

Also Ben would need higher lifting strength then ruby to even get CR out of her hand and I'm pretty sure at least class K is higher then upgrades LS

Also her aura is covering CR, so upgrade needs to get pass her aura to even upgrade CR in the frist place as it's a forcefield covering her body and weapon. Last I remember upgrade can't go through forcefields, like when Gwen stoped him in Detroy all aliens

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Does Ben even have a win con with those specific Aliens you limited him to?