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Ben Tennyson VS Danny Phantom (0-0-7)

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Surprised this hasn´t done yet!
  • Season 1 Danny is being used and he starts as 8-A (As pretty much all of his matches)
  • Ben is on his "Alien Force" key
  • Alien X is restricted
  • Speed is Equalized
  • Ben´s profile - Danny´s profile
  • Link for the Verse page, to search about the aliens
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"It started when an alien device did what it did":

"Young, Danny Fenton, he's just fourteen":

Mordecai and Rigby appears and stomps both (Incon): @LordGriffin1000 @Reiner04 @Success0906 @Maverick_Zero_X @XSOULOFCINDERX @Mariogoods @Accelerated_Evolution (7)
 
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Accelerated_Evolution said:
Surprised this hasn´t done yet.
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Consider both have been on a constant influx if revisions, I'm not surprised.

As for the match.

Danny: I don't want to fight you, Ben!

Ben: I wouldn't want to fight me either!

I'm trying to get over this cold, so don't expect much of an analysis, just my brief thoughts...

Ben's Advantages/Win Conditions

Majority of Ben's aliens start out with a big advantage in AP and durability (although many can't capitalize on this), and while his aliens individually lack versatility like Danny, collectively, he's more versatile. Overall, I'd say this Ben is more intelligent than Danny is on average especially give this is Danny early on and his overconfidence hinders his best intelligence. Ben should be more skilled/experienced as well

While most of his aliens can't do much, some could potentially redirect Danny's ghost rays back at him (Diamondhead and such), which can damage him and others can track him even if he's invisible. There are 3 noticeable aliens I've seen when checking all the profiles up to Alien Force that actually possess solid win conditions (Grey Matter, Brainstorm, Clockwork), and I'll mention why in the "my vote" section.

Danny's Advantages/Win Conditions

Danny's ghost physiology provides him with the inability to be noticable harmed by Ben, for example, Four Arms can touch Danny's intangible body, but since it's made out of ectoplasm, he can't cause him pain. Practically none of Ben's aliens can bypass this and when you stack invisibility, intangibility, body control, regeneration (Low-Godly) and barriers that can reflect attacks, most of Ben's aliens become useless. The stat disadvantage gets countered by Danny's empowerment, reactive evolution and accelerated development, eventually allowing Danny to knock them out.

Danny's possession affects multiple things such as the mind (down to the subconscious), spirit, and the body (molecular level), and while Ben has resisted Ghostfreak's possession and some aliens resist mind control, you can't compare it to Danny's as it includes the three things I mentioned above, and works on inanimate objects (for inorganic aliens), technology and data (mainly for machine like aliens), acts like corruption and is layered (3 layers) and can grow in potency. So unless shown with that level of resistance, Ben's aliens will be targeted on multiple levels/layers.

My Vote

Anyway, I'll just go over all of Ben's aliens from Classic to Alien Force that we have profiles for and give my overall thoughts after. This is more so a brief general description if that alien faces off against Danny, does it have something noticable or a proper counter.

Classic Aliens

Blitzwolfer: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. It's smelling could track Danny while he's invisible but has no method to actually harm Danny given his ghost physiology and intangibility, it's sonic scream shouldn't be an issue, so Danny just eventually overwhelms.

Cannonbolt: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility and can't cause Danny real harm, it's shell can redirect Danny's ghost rays but those aren't Danny's only methods of attacking.

Diamondhead: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility and can't cause Danny real harm. However, Diamondhead can absorb and refract energy so while he himself can't harm Danny, he could get Danny to harm himself. Although Danny has other ways to ignore conventional durability, and has better range and mobility. Danny can bypass his regeneration level as well.

Ditto: Is at a massive stat disadvantage against Danny, only thing he can do is duplicate but he can't harm Danny in anyway, meanwhile Danny hits him once and all clones go for a long sleep.

Eye Guy: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms.

Four Arms: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny overwhelms, especially with range.

Frankenstrike: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny overwhelms, especially with range.

Ghostfreak: Is he still in Ben's watch at this time? Regardless, I'll talk about it. Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. Ghostfreak and Danny are not the same physiology wise so I don't believe their intangibility could cancel each others out, and even if they could, Danny's regeneration insurers Ghostfreak can't put him down and Ghostfreak can't destroy Danny's soul because his true self is a conceptual abstract. Danny has more going for him and eventually overwhelms with better abilities and has Ghostfreak's weakness, plus has greater resistance to Possession/Corruption. Ghostfreak's regeneration can be bypassed as well, though the fight will take longer.

Grey Matter: Is at a massive stat disadvantage against Danny. Only beating Danny in intelligence, however I don't see Grey Matter having the time to put his brain to use before getting sweeped but that's if they are in the open.

Heatblast: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms.

Ripjaws: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms. Ripjaws is also only useful in water and even then, he can't do much of anything to Danny give what I've previously mentioned.

Snare-oh: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms.

Stinkfly: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms.

Upchuck: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms.

Upgrade: Did his profile get deleted? Regardless, I know what it's capable of to some degree and giving it the benefit of the doubt that it's the same tier as most of the others, the same copy and paste reasoning applies to Upgrade as it did to Upchuck and so on.

Way Big: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms.

Wildmut: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms. Best Wildmut can do is counter Danny's invisibility with his sense of smell but that doesn't change much.

Wildvine: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms. Wildvine's sleep gas is useless since Danny Phantom ghosts don't have standard biological functions and normal sleep gas don't affect them, in the verse Danny was surprised that sleep gas could affect him but it was revealed that it wasn't ordinary sleep gas. So unless Wildvine has special gas that's capable of effectively knocking out incorporeal ghosts made entirely of ectoplasm, it's not working. It's got good regeneration but Danny has ways to bypass that.

XLR8: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms. Its regeneration isn't saving it.

Alien Force

AmpFibian: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms. While both have intangibility, I'm not sure if they are of the same nature and would cancel each other out. Assuming they do, Danny still wins due to versatility.

Armodrillo: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms.

Big Chill: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, however Big Chill has his own invisibility and intangibility that act as counters to Danny's invisibility and intangibility. However, Danny possesses more versatile abilities and eventually just overwhelms Big Chill, it would just take longer than the others.

Brainstorm: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility naturally. However, like Grey Matter, he does possess the intelligence needed to construct anti-ghost technology after analyzing Danny. The only issue he faces is overwhelmed before that happens.

Chamalien: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed. It's camouflage ability is just a poor substitute for Danny's invisibility.

Chromastone: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility. He functions the same as Diamondhead, in regards to potentially being able to absorb and redirect Danny's ghost rays but Danny can take his own attacks and it's at best a one time occurrence before Danny just decides to use a different method for attack.

Clockwork: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility. However, Clockwork's time powers can result in a win if used right, for example, Time Stop can incapacitate but trying to age Danny is useless since ghosts don't age and his body is just a construct. His best bet is either Time Stop or Rewinding Time before Danny Phantom became a thing or existed, maybe BFR but it has to hit. The only issue is that Clockwork's time powers aren't instant but fast enough in my opinion.

Eatle: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

Echo Echo: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility naturally, so eventually gets overwhelmed. Like some of the others though, you can argue he could reflect Danny's ghost rays back at him but that's not something that would save him.

Fasttrack: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed. Literally going to end up like XLR8.

Goop: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed. Its regeneration is the only able to allow him to survive Danny's punches but can be bypassed by other means.

Humungousaur: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

Jetray: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

Juryrigg: Is at a massive stat disadvantage against Danny. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

Lodestar: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

Nanomech: Is at a massive stat disadvantage against Danny. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

NRG: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed. Unless there is evidence that his stuff can affect ghosts like Danny, his Non-Physical Interaction is useless.

Rath: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

Shocksquatch: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

Spidermonkey: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

Swampfire: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed. His sleep manipulation has the same issue as Wildvine's.

Terraspin: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

Water Hazard: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

If you go over the number of aliens we have profiles for that have a potential chance at beating Danny, you get about 3 out of 42.... Those Aliens are...

1. Clockwork: If it comes out first or early, it has the chance at incapacitating Danny with Time Stop, or Rewinding Time to before Danny Phantom came to be, otherwise its other attacks get avoided without issue and almost pose no threat to Danny. It has to come out early because when Danny's statistics inevitably rise quickly, it's possiblely going to be out sped and overwhelmed before it gets a chance.

2. Brainstorm: If it comes out first or early, it has the chance to analyze Danny and construct anti-ghost tech to potentially stop him. If it doesn't come out first it suffers from the same potential problem as Clockwork.

3. Grey Matter: Same as Brainstorm, if given the time it can create anti-ghost tech but his low stats and mobility means that unless Ben switched to it while away and it could hide, Grey Matter would end up getting folded, however, Danny would likely not take Grey Matter seriously.

A few of Ben's aliens can survive long, like Ghostfreak, Big Chill, Goop and such but they simply lack the capabilities to overwhelm Danny due to his physiology, and the moment he comes up against the stronger ones, his stat advantage for most of his aliens becomes irrelevant and Danny eventually reaches knock out strength. It's even worse if Way Big is chosen early. The rest of his aliens (majority), only have the strength/power advantage but lack anything note worthy that could help. Many of Ben's aliens are outmatched in range and stamina so it's not like he can outlast Danny easily.

I'm going to say Inconclusive.

The reason I'm not voting for Danny outright is simply because he's not going to take Ben seriously at the beginning, his sheer overconfidence has lead to poor decision making and has allowed others to get one over on him. For example, Danny would realistically laugh at Ben when he turns into Grey Matter and not immediately attack him, giving Ben time to run/hide and then construct something that could work on him. Ben at this point isn't as poor in decision making as his kid self, he wouldn't remain as or picked an alien that can't do a damn once he sees what Danny is capable of (So most of the aliens mentioned likely won't be used), and while Ghostfreak and Big Chill can't take Danny down realistically, the can last long enough to give Ben a general idea of what Danny is capable of.

Now this isn't to say, Danny is at a loss. His general abilities alone makes taking him down a hard task and if Ben starts of with something strong, he's going to find himself in trouble. While he's not the type to aim to kill, Possession is something that can come up in the fight (not early but not late either). Danny would eventually gain the strength to punch out Danny's aliens quickly especially if he's put up against the likes of Way Big. He's naturally just going to get stronger and if he ends up taking Ben seriously, it's going to be a sudden shift in how Danny fights. Overall though, they each possess a fair shot at taking each other down when you look at various factors. I'll point out as always that Danny will not immediately reach 2-A, he'll be put around Ben's level (the alien he's fighting in question) and 'can' grow stronger.

If it was kid Ben, I would have given it to Danny, and if Alien X wasn't restricted, I'd give it to Ben. As it stands though, I'm going Inconclusive Ben's overall intelligence, skill, and collective versatility allow him to match Danny's general versatility, range, and stamina. That's pretty much it for me, hope this doesn't result in a DP vs Ben 10 fan war, I ain't got the energy for that one.
 
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LordGriffin1000 said:
Danny: I don't want to fight you, Ben!

Ben: I wouldn't want to fight me either!
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lmao

LordGriffin1000 said:
Ben's Advantages/Win Conditions

Majority of Ben's aliens start out with a big advantage in AP and durability (although many can't capitalize on this), and while his aliens individually lack versatility like Danny, collectively, he's more versatile. Overall, I'd say this Ben is more intelligent than Danny is on average especially give this is Danny early on and his overconfidence hinders his best intelligence. Ben should be more skilled/experienced as well

While most of his aliens can't do much, some could potentially redirect Danny's ghost rays back at him (Diamondhead and such), which can damage him and others can track him even if he's invisible. There are 3 noticeable aliens I've seen when checking all the profiles up to Alien Force that actually possess solid win conditions (Grey Matter, Brainstorm, Clockwork), and I'll mention why in the "my vote" section.

Danny's Advantages/Win Conditions

Danny's ghost physiology provides him with the inability to be noticable harmed by Ben, for example, Four Arms can touch Danny's intangible body, but since it's made out of ectoplasm, he can't cause him pain. Practically none of Ben's aliens can bypass this and when you stack invisibility, intangibility, body control, regeneration (Low-Godly) and barriers that can reflect attacks, most of Ben's aliens become useless. The stat disadvantage gets countered by Danny's empowerment, reactive evolution and accelerated development, eventually allowing Danny to knock them out.

Danny's possession affects multiple things such as the mind (down to the subconscious), spirit, and the body (molecular level), and while Ben has resisted Ghostfreak's possession and some aliens resist mind control, you can't compare it to Danny's as it includes the three things I mentioned above, and works on inanimate objects (for inorganic aliens), technology and data (mainly for machine like aliens), acts like corruption and is layered (3 layers) and can grow in potency. So unless shown with that level of resistance, Ben's aliens will be targeted on multiple levels/layers.

My Vote

Anyway, I'll just go over all of Ben's aliens from Classic to Alien Force that we have profiles for and give my overall thoughts after. This is more so a brief general description if that alien faces off against Danny, does it have something noticable or a proper counter.

Classic Aliens

Blitzwolfer: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. It's smelling could track Danny while he's invisible but has no method to actually harm Danny given his ghost physiology and intangibility, it's sonic scream shouldn't be an issue, so Danny just eventually overwhelms.

Cannonbolt: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility and can't cause Danny real harm, it's shell can redirect Danny's ghost rays but those aren't Danny's only methods of attacking.

Diamondhead: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility and can't cause Danny real harm. However, Diamondhead can absorb and refract energy so while he himself can't harm Danny, he could get Danny to harm himself. Although Danny has other ways to ignore conventional durability, and has better range and mobility. Danny can bypass his regeneration level as well.

Ditto: Is at a massive stat disadvantage against Danny, only thing he can do is duplicate but he can't harm Danny in anyway, meanwhile Danny hits him once and all clones go for a long sleep.

Eye Guy: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms.

Four Arms: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny overwhelms, especially with range.

Frankenstrike: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny overwhelms, especially with range.

Ghostfreak: Is he still in Ben's watch at this time? Regardless, I'll talk about it. Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. Ghostfreak and Danny are not the same physiology wise so I don't believe their intangibility could cancel each others out, and even if they could, Danny's regeneration insurers Ghostfreak can't put him down and Ghostfreak can't destroy Danny's soul because his true self is a conceptual abstract. Danny has more going for him and eventually overwhelms with better abilities and has Ghostfreak's weakness, plus has greater resistance to Possession/Corruption. Ghostfreak's regeneration can be bypassed as well, though the fight will take longer.

Grey Matter: Is at a massive stat disadvantage against Danny. Only beating Danny in intelligence, however I don't see Grey Matter having the time to put his brain to use before getting sweeped but that's if they are in the open.

Heatblast: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms.

Ripjaws: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms. Ripjaws is also only useful in water and even then, he can't do much of anything to Danny give what I've previously mentioned.

Snare-oh: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms.

Stinkfly: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms.

Upchuck: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms.

Upgrade: Did his profile get deleted? Regardless, I know what it's capable of to some degree and giving it the benefit of the doubt that it's the same tier as most of the others, the same copy and paste reasoning applies to Upgrade as it did to Upchuck and so on.

Way Big: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms.

Wildmut: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms. Best Wildmut can do is counter Danny's invisibility with his sense of smell but that doesn't change much.

Wildvine: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms. Wildvine's sleep gas is useless since Danny Phantom ghosts don't have standard biological functions and normal sleep gas don't affect them, in the verse Danny was surprised that sleep gas could affect him but it was revealed that it wasn't ordinary sleep gas. So unless Wildvine has special gas that's capable of effectively knocking out incorporeal ghosts made entirely of ectoplasm, it's not working. It's got good regeneration but Danny has ways to bypass that.

XLR8: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms. Its regeneration isn't saving it.

Alien Force

AmpFibian: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms. While both have intangibility, I'm not sure if they are of the same nature and would cancel each other out. Assuming they do, Danny still wins due to versatility.

Armodrillo: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so Danny eventually overwhelms.

Big Chill: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology, however Big Chill has his own invisibility and intangibility that act as counters to Danny's invisibility and intangibility. However, Danny possesses more versatile abilities and eventually just overwhelms Big Chill, it would just take longer than the others.

Brainstorm: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility naturally. However, like Grey Matter, he does possess the intelligence needed to construct anti-ghost technology after analyzing Danny. The only issue he faces is overwhelmed before that happens.

Chamalien: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed. It's camouflage ability is just a poor substitute for Danny's invisibility.

Chromastone: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility. He functions the same as Diamondhead, in regards to potentially being able to absorb and redirect Danny's ghost rays but Danny can take his own attacks and it's at best a one time occurrence before Danny just decides to use a different method for attack.

Clockwork: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility. However, Clockwork's time powers can result in a win if used right, for example, Time Stop can incapacitate but trying to age Danny is useless since ghosts don't age and his body is just a construct. His best bet is either Time Stop or Rewinding Time before Danny Phantom became a thing or existed, maybe BFR but it has to hit. The only issue is that Clockwork's time powers aren't instant but fast enough in my opinion.

Eatle: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

Echo Echo: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility naturally, so eventually gets overwhelmed. Like some of the others though, you can argue he could reflect Danny's ghost rays back at him but that's not something that would save him.

Fasttrack: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed. Literally going to end up like XLR8.

Goop: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed. Its regeneration is the only able to allow him to survive Danny's punches but can be bypassed by other means.

Humungousaur: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

Jetray: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

Juryrigg: Is at a massive stat disadvantage against Danny. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

Lodestar: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

Nanomech: Is at a massive stat disadvantage against Danny. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

NRG: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed. Unless there is evidence that his stuff can affect ghosts like Danny, his Non-Physical Interaction is useless.

Rath: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

Shocksquatch: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

Spidermonkey: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

Swampfire: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed. His sleep manipulation has the same issue as Wildvine's.

Terraspin: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

Water Hazard: Stat advantage gets hard countered by Danny's empowerment/reactive evolution/accelerated development. He has no real way to harm Danny due to ghost physiology and has no counter for Danny's invisibility or intangibility, so eventually gets overwhelmed.

If you go over the number of aliens we have profiles for that have a potential chance at beating Danny, you get about 3 out of 42.... Those Aliens are...

1. Clockwork: If it comes out first or early, it has the chance at incapacitating Danny with Time Stop, or Rewinding Time to before Danny Phantom came to be, otherwise its other attacks get avoided without issue and almost pose no threat to Danny. It has to come out early because when Danny's statistics inevitably rise quickly, it's possiblely going to be out sped and overwhelmed before it gets a chance.

2. Brainstorm: If it comes out first or early, it has the chance to analyze Danny and construct anti-ghost tech to potentially stop him. If it doesn't come out first it suffers from the same potential problem as Clockwork.

3. Grey Matter: Same as Brainstorm, if given the time it can create anti-ghost tech but his low stats and mobility means that unless Ben switched to it while away and it could hide, Grey Matter would end up getting folded, however, Danny would likely not take Grey Matter seriously.

A few of Ben's aliens can survive long, like Ghostfreak, Big Chill, Goop and such but they simply lack the capabilities to overwhelm Danny due to his physiology, and the moment he comes up against the stronger ones, his stat advantage for most of his aliens becomes irrelevant and Danny eventually reaches knock out strength. It's even worse if Way Big is chosen early. The rest of his aliens (majority), only have the strength/power advantage but lack anything note worthy that could help. Many of Ben's aliens are outmatched in range and stamina so it's not like he can outlast Danny easily.

I'm going to say Inconclusive.

The reason I'm not voting for Danny outright is simply because he's not going to take Ben seriously at the beginning, his sheer overconfidence has lead to poor decision making and has allowed others to get one over on him. For example, Danny would realistically laugh at Ben when he turns into Grey Matter and not immediately attack him, giving Ben time to run/hide and then construct something that could work on him. Ben at this point isn't as poor in decision making as his kid self, he wouldn't remain as or picked an alien that can't do a damn once he sees what Danny is capable of (So most of the aliens mentioned likely won't be used), and while Ghostfreak and Big Chill can't take Danny down realistically, the can last long enough to give Ben a general idea of what Danny is capable of.

Now this isn't to say, Danny is at a loss. His general abilities alone makes taking him down a hard task and if Ben starts of with something strong, he's going to find himself in trouble. While he's not the type to aim to kill, Possession is something that can come up in the fight (not early but not late either). Danny would eventually gain the strength to punch out Danny's aliens quickly especially if he's put up against the likes of Way Big. He's naturally just going to get stronger and if he ends up taking Ben seriously, it's going to be a sudden shift in how Danny fights. Overall though, they each possess a fair shot at taking each other down when you look at various factors. I'll point out as always that Danny will not immediately reach 2-A, he'll be put around Ben's level (the alien he's fighting in question) and 'can' grow stronger.

If it was kid Ben, I would have given it to Danny, and if Alien X wasn't restricted, I'd give it to Ben. As it stands though, I'm going Inconclusive Ben's overall intelligence, skill, and collective versatility allow him to match Danny's general versatility, range, and stamina. That's pretty much it for me, hope this doesn't result in a DP vs Ben 10 fan war, I ain't got the energy for that one.
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Reiner04 said:
Incon fra.
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Both counted
 
Lynieryz said:
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Feedback is the Omnitrix's DNA sample of a Conductoid from the Teslavorr Nebula. Tier: 5-A physically, Varies, higher with Energy Absorption | 5-A physically, Varies, at most 1-C, likely 1-B with Energy Absorption Key: Omniverse Flashbacks | Omniverse Name: Feedback Origin: Ben 10 Gender: Male...
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He doesn´t have access to it during Alien Force
 
BlastX said:
Man...Danny Phantom's matchups have become really boring lately.
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Boring as in not much discussion? I could not participate in the matches so more discussion can take place. Or boring as their aren't any good ones?
 
BlastX said:
Boring as in they all almost feel very samey:You gotta use Season 1 Danny at his weakest, it's a race against time because Danny might just outstat the opponent and if they don't have any hax that can beat him then it's phantover, like I don't think the other ghosts even get their own matchups.
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I've tried using other ghosts in the past but people aren't interested. I can try and find some 2-A matches for Danny as well as some matches for the other ghosts.
 
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