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I’d be skeptical of cross-scaling since the Bens featured in the crossover being Ben Prime is really contradictory.
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Not really considering he didn't know a thing about Alien x and due to the fact that his watch work differently then the original version, heck even Kuro the Artist debunked it due to the massive contradictionThe only Ben prime is Omniverse Ben
The fact that Kuro and Ben 10 wiki don’t accept it probably means we should
I agree with this screencapture.I’d be skeptical of cross-scaling since the Bens featured in the crossover being Ben Prime is really contradictory.
I made a few adjustments: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:DemonicDude/AgentSix?type=revision&diff=7114146&oldid=7114126@Maverick_Zero_X carefully look over the profile I'm just gonna drop it for now
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The real big brain take here is that Alien X surviving the Annihilargh was just EE resistance and his actual physical durability is <<< Reboot!Four Arms's striking strength and Canon!Bloxx.
Pretty sure Dargoo is just joking.
Well it's time for me to fire up another summary of what to change next! So I'll be right back.
Actually Alien X wouldn't lose anything from his profile, just adding more things to it. I think "at least Low 5-B, up to at least Low 2-C with abilities" is good for the following reasons.
When you have a part of Celestialsapien DNA, it doesn’t increase Your physical characteristics by much, as seen with Atomic X and Alien V. However they’re still considered "omnipotent" as evident by Aggregor being considered "omnipotent" if he absorbed the baby Celestialsapien. This is further evidence that "greatest power in the universe" in Alien X's ability to "do anything."
AP
When Celestialsapiens aren’t using their abilities to "change anything", their base stats would be "at least low 5-B."
Four Arms was able to rip open Galactic Gladiator, Four Arms and Eye Guy took his punches, Galactic Gladiator felt the need to dodge attacks from Four Arms and Eye Guy, and reboot Alien X, who's the same as his canon self, got jumped by a bunch of regular aliens.
Durability
Dargoo was right. This is technically EE resistance. It straight up doesn’t use AP, as it's only a hole in space that's expanding. As a matter of fact there are multiple holes opening, so it's not the output of a single attack.
Speed
Same thing for his speed. He should be "FTL, Massively FTL+" with abilities since he gan grow to galactic sizes.
Low 2-C
With their thought's Celestialsapiens can grow to galactic sizes, recreate the universe, and can penetrate a barrier that can’t be broken by the Annihilarg. So it's not just low 2-C hax, it quite obviously increases his physical characteristics. So it still scales to his durability.
Conclusion?
All Celestialsapins will have:
Annihilarg also gets EE
- AP: At least Low 5-B, up to at least Low 2-C with abilities
- Speed: FTL, Massively FTL+
- EE resistance
- Statistics Amplification
- LS: At least Class M, Galactic with abilities
- Range should be updated to: Multiversal (With Dimension travel)
- All the other abilities that showed up in the reboot.
Note: About cross scaling, it should still work for the characters too. Since the reboot and Omniverse aliens scale to 'base' Alien X, who's the same character, we could still scale the two verses to each other. Also, because the reboot is another timeline, we could just scale them anyway, for the same reasons we scale Way Big to his video game counterpart. This could also mean Reboot Way Big and Alien V, with his abilities, should be High 5-A.
Also keep in mind low 5-B is just a placeholder for when ever Vilgax's feats get calculated.
feels unneeded"at least Low 5-B, up to at least Low 2-C with abilities"
No?When Celestialsapiens aren’t using their abilities to "change anything", their base stats would be "at least low 5-B."
Bad writing unless you believe that Four arms from OV is 5-B which is pretty laughable. I even disagree with upgrading Ben aliens from the Reboot to tier 5 as well as it also doesn't make any sense and it's completely inconsistent.Four Arms was able to rip open Galactic Gladiator,
From a Celestialsapien who was holding back? Maybe Goku is 5-A because Krillin took Goku’s Kamehameha when in SSJB form.Four Arms and Eye Guy took his punches, Galactic Gladiator
It was made pretty clear that he was just toying with them just because he dodged an attack doesn't mean he was going to get harmed by it or else I can make the same case for any character and downgrade them. Alien x also survived GG attack when he tried to crush him with his Galaxy sized handsGalactic Gladiator felt the need to dodge attacks from Four Arms and Eye Guy
Which got many times debunked already.and reboot Alien X, who's the same as his canon self
Which only scales to the Reboot version also this is clearly a Pis as Alien X by himself stomped many Aliens that are stronger then the ones who Alien x faced in the end of the movie. So even if we Cross-scale Alien x Low ends would be counted as PIS and he would still be rated as low 2-Cgot jumped by a bunch of regular aliens.
Even if we assume that you are right, his AP should scale to his Durability so if he has low 2-C AP via creation and also destruction (since it was stated in the guide that Alien x can also destory Universes which should scale to his AP and durability)Dargoo was right. This is technically EE resistance. It straight up doesn’t use AP, as it's only a hole in space that's expanding. As a matter of fact there are multiple holes opening, so it's not the output of a single attack.
Alien x was able to react to GG galaxy sized hand and was turning around the galaxy sized black hole numerous of times so that's still make him MFTL+ in his base.Same thing for his speed. He should be "FTL, Massively FTL+" with abilities since he gan grow to galactic sizes.
Nothing chnageConclusion?
The regular cast are able to harm AntiVilgax and Alien V, who both have feats of corrupting the earth. Also low 5-B is just a placeholder tier. The actual tier would be what the corruption feats will be calced at.Bad writing unless you believe that Four arms from OV is 5-B which is pretty laughable. I even disagree with upgrading Ben aliens from the Reboot to tier 5 as well as it also doesn't make any sense and it's completely inconsistent.
What’s dragon ball gotta do with this?From a Celestialsapien who was holding back? Maybe Goku is 5-A because Krillin took Goku’s Kamehameha when in SSJB form.
He would’ve just stood there then.It was made pretty clear that he was just toying with them just because he dodged an attack doesn't mean he was going to get harmed by it or else I can make the same case for any character and downgrade them.
No it did not. All Ben’s use the same Alien X form, so it’s the same case with reboot Alien X. What got debunked was all the Ben’s being Ben Prime. You were even arguing that it’s the same Alien X earlier.Which got many times debunked already.
Yeah he’s stronger than them individually. He only lost because they were working together. That doesn’t negate the fact that he’s still stronger.Which only scales to the Reboot version also this is clearly a Pis as Alien X by himself stomped many Aliens that are stronger then the ones who Alien x faced in the end of the movie. So even if we Cross-scale Alien x Low ends would be counted as PIS and he would still be rated as low 2-C
Now I’m starting to think you didn’t read what I said. He’s still keeping his low 2-C stats, it’ll just be in a separate key/AP section.Even if we assume that you are right, his AP should scale to his Durability so if he has low 2-C via creation and also destruction (since it was stated in the guide that Alien x can also destory Universes which should scale to his AP and durability)
GG wasn’t Galaxy sized when he grabbed AX. He was the size of a planet then it cute to him being the size of a galaxy, so he didn’t react to his galactic size. Also when AX created the black hole he was still extremely large. GG was the size of a galaxy while AX was smaller, but was still visible compared to GG. If AX was his regular size then we wouldn’t be able to see him. He’d have to be at least the size of a star to be visible compared to GG.Alien x was able to react to GG galaxy sized hand and was turning around the galaxy sized black hole numerous of times so that's still make him MFTL+ in his base.
All I’m doing is adding more stats and abilities to his profile. Not only would my conclusion not be seen as inconsistent but what I presented was supported by the series and writers. You’re refutes are technically baseless and require more assumptions.Nothing chnage
Because it's an important point that I brought up...Why are you guys talking about cross-scaing with the original series?
It would be as if our Dragon Ball profiles were At least 8-C, 4-C with Ki.feels unneeded
Because Reboot!Ben 10 is canonically an alternate universe from OS and all Celestialsapiens are constant throughout the Omniverse. So there's no way Reboot!Alien X is any weaker than AF Alien X.Why are you guys talking about cross-scaing with the original series?
I feel like you skimmed through what I said, especially the second post with a direct quote from Man of Action.It would be as if our Dragon Ball profiles were At least 8-C, 4-C with Ki.
Btw what are your thoughts on my AX suggestions Ovens?Because Reboot!Ben 10 is canonically an alternate universe from OS and all Celestialsapiens are constant throughout the Omniverse. So there's no way Reboot!Alien X is any weaker than AF Alien X.
I'm referencing the time Goku was shot by a laser when he had his guard and ki down.I feel like you skimmed through what I said, especially the second post with a direct quote from Man of Action.
Ok? That's dragon ball. That analogy isn’t even close to what I said.I'm referencing the time Goku was shot by a laser when he had his guard and ki down.
So you gonna try to refute my points or what?I agree they’re the same character, but I don’t think Alien X’s loss is anything more than Plot-Induced Stupidity.
You are proposing: At least Low 5-B base, up to at least Low 2-C with abilities.Ok? That's dragon ball. That analogy isn’t even close to what I said.
Goku has to actively lower his ki to reach those level. With the feats and arthor statements I posted, Alien X has to actively think to use his godlike abilities. It's literally the opposite.You are proposing: At least Low 5-B base, up to at least Low 2-C with abilities.
How is that any different from proposing At least 8-C base, up to at least 4-C with ki for Dragon Ball Characters?
Not having your guard up or not being prepared to fight and intentionally lowering your ki are two different things.Goku has to actively lower his ki to reach those level. With the feats and arthor statements I posted, Alien X has to actively think to use his godlike abilities. It's literally the opposite.
Do you not watch DB or something? It's literally stated that Goku is too relaxed and and lowers his abilities. Goku is naturally 3-A at his regular level of strength. Alien X is low 2-C after he makes a decision.Not having your guard up or being prepared to fight and intentionally lowering your ki are two different things.
With their thought's Celestialsapiens can grow to galactic sizes, recreate the universe, and can penetrate a barrier that can’t be broken by the Annihilarg. So it's not just low 2-C hax, it quite obviously increases his physical characteristics. So it still scales to his durability.
His striking strength would obviously increase as a result of his abilities. I thought that implication would be obvious.Galactic Gladiator feeling the need to evade Four Arms’ attacks isn’t a good reason for scaling. By that logic we should scale Piccolo, 18, and Tien to Beerus. He was toying with him.
Then it would also scale to his Striking Strength, making the Tier 5 key redundant...
Skurd can use Alien X's abilities while using his DNA.But breaking that barrier wasn’t reality warping/abilities like “Low 2-C with abilities” would suggest. Ben was just infused with Alien X’s DNA and physically broke the barrier with a sword.
Basically thisI really think the events of the special were just PIS. Alien X was stomping all the Ben's individually just fine before they started working together.
I don't mind scaling Reboot!Alien X to Prime!Alien X. Just that no one else should scale to them.