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Ben 10: Massive Stats & Abilities Addition!

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Success0906 said:
I think adding "Celestial Sapiens change the very nature of Space-time" and "They would first need to change the laws surrounding Mana itself to actively use it" statements as back up for Conceptual Manipulation.

And also remember that Mana is not life force, but life force itself is a subset of Mana. While mana is not needed for sustenance of life, everything that is alive produces mana. Magic itself requires unveiling the hidden words behind spells.

All this can probably grant Alien X a solid Type 2 CM, possibly Type 1 from the "Forge of Creation is where ideas become reality," "Forge of Creation is where everything came to be" statements.

Also, for abstract existence, you don't need to be a concept. You can even exist as a mind or just memories, or even knowledge. And Serena and Belecus are pretty much just that.

So, it's all good.
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What proof do we have for Alien X needing to change mana to manipulate space-time aside from author statements?
 
ShionAH said:
From what I know we dont really give Regeneration let alone Low-Godly if it happens off-screen. Unless its straight up stated and clear

Also it seems to me more like Alien X took Gladiator out before he died because in the next scene we see AX holding him by the neck
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There is clear showings of Galactic Gladiator getting reduced as he is pulled towards the black hole. And it aligns with the fact that Celestial Sapiens don't need their body to act as they operate from their debate space.
 
Success0906 said:
There is clear showings of Galactic Gladiator getting reduced as he is pulled towards the black hole.
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Which would only really be High and again its entirely possible Alien X pulled him off screen. You dont instantly get erased when you enter a blackhole
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And it aligns with the fact that Celestial Sapiens don't need their body to act as they operate from their debate space.
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Thats not low-godly
 
ShionAH said:
From what I know we dont really give Regeneration let alone Low-Godly if it happens off-screen. Unless its straight up stated and clear

Also it seems to me more like Alien X took Gladiator out before he died because in the next scene we see AX holding him by the neck
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X's body was physically destroyed as shown here in snapshots.
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Ben 10: Massive Stats & Abilities Addition!

Do you agree with Low Godly regen? If it isn't low godly then it should be High atleast. Cause once matter passes the event horrison of BH then it's torn into it's smallest subatomic components before getting squeezed into the singularity.
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It should still be high atleast. As explained here.
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Ben 10: Massive Stats & Abilities Addition!

Eon: 1) Class P Lifting Strength upgrade: Lifting Strength: Class P (Physically kept up with Diamondhead) 2) Causality Manipulation addition: Causality Manipulation with Chrononavigator (If desired, the Chrono Navigator can destroy all of existence, all of time and causality itself. "All of...
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Celestial_Scaler25 said:
X's body was physically destroyed as shown here in snapshots.
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Ben 10: Massive Stats & Abilities Addition!

Do you agree with Low Godly regen? If it isn't low godly then it should be High atleast. Cause once matter passes the event horrison of BH then it's torn into it's smallest subatomic components before getting squeezed into the singularity.
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It should still be high atleast. As explained here.
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Ben 10: Massive Stats & Abilities Addition!

Eon: 1) Class P Lifting Strength upgrade: Lifting Strength: Class P (Physically kept up with Diamondhead) 2) Causality Manipulation addition: Causality Manipulation with Chrononavigator (If desired, the Chrono Navigator can destroy all of existence, all of time and causality itself. "All of...
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He was pulled into a Blackhole which is made by Alien x I assume, next we see Alien x holding him by the neck which again shows Alien x pulled him out. Why do you guys assume he created a new body from nothing in seconds? If it did that why would it even accept defeat? It makes more sense Alien X saved him before he "died"

We also generally dont give regeneration if its not stated/shown on screen

I disagree with low-godly, cm 1 ae 1
 
ShionAH said:
He was pulled into a Blackhole which is made by Alien x I assume, next we see Alien x holding him by the neck which again shows Alien x pulled him out. Why do you guys assume he created a new body from nothing in seconds? If it did that why would it even accept defeat? It makes more sense Alien X saved him before he "died"

We also generally dont give regeneration if its not stated/shown on screen

I disagree with low-godly, cm 1 ae 1
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NXCHT.66 said:
If Alien X decided to reform GG, that’s fine because it might give both of them Healing & Low-Godly Regeneration, because if Alien X wishes for GG, then it should wish for itself to have it as well.
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Both the cases would work and they should be solid instead of "possibly Low-Godly"
 
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Wouldn't Way Big's OS tier being "at least 5-A" be better instead of just 5-A? I'm still not too sure on that since he only has like 1 feat so I don't know if him having an OS Key even matters
 
Way Big is the strongest alien in Ben 10 Original series
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