Ben 10: Massive Stats & Abilities Addition!

[Hellformer]

Eon:
1) Class P Lifting Strength upgrade:

Lifting Strength: Class P (Physically kept up with Diamondhead)

2) Causality Manipulation addition:

Causality Manipulation with Chrononavigator (If desired, the Chrono Navigator can destroy all of existence, all of time and causality itself. "All of existence" refers to the realm of the timestream)

3) Durability Negation:

Durability Negation (Can ignore durability with Age Manipulation)

Professor Paradox:
Class P and Multi-Stellar Lifting Strength upgrade:

Lifting Strength: Class P (Physically kept up with Eon), Multi-Stellar via Telekinesis (Moved a massive nebula outside the Universe)

Feedback:
1) Class M and Immeasurable Lifting Strength upgrade for Omniverse Key:

Lifting Strength: Class M (Physically restrained Phil Billings who could overpower Frankenstrike), Varies, at most Immeasurable with Energy Absorption (Lifted and Carried the creation of Annihilargh post absorbtion)

It has already been accepted that Feedback's physical stats vary with energy absorption so it's pretty safe to go with.

2) Durability Negation addition:

Durability Negation (Can negate durability with life force absorption)

Alien X:
1) Non-Physical Interaction addition:

Non Physical Interaction (Can destroy all of existence and Celestialsapiens are said to change the entire cosmology which includes species of Zs'Skayr and Bigchill. Superior to the likes of Bigchill who can interact with his species)

I found the first argument of NPI on Zeno's profile so thought of applying it over here.

2) Conceptual Manipulation addition:

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; Paradox in his debut episode mentions about Transtemporal Metaphysics. Transtemporality means time-travel in this context while Metaphysics is the division of philosophy that is concerned with the fundamental nature of reality and being and that includes ontology, cosmology, and often epistemology. As if the fundamental/universal idea of space-time origins from somewhere which in this case would be the Forge of Creation since it is a realm where the entire verse began, a place where the Celestialsapiens reside)

Note: The Universe is made by the contumelias hence in the above context, it must refer to the entire verse as a whole.

3) Light Manipulation and Aura:

Light Manipulation and Aura (Can create light around him while flying)

Waybig:
Waybig should get a seperate key for his Classic/OV Flashback counterpart just how the other aliens have.

Tier: 5-A | High 5-A | 4-B, possibly 4-A

Key: Classic/OV Flashback | UAF and Omniverse base | Ultimate Form

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Eon:
1) Class M Lifting Strength upgrade:
3) Durability Negation:
Professor Paradox:
1) Lifting Strength upgrade:

Agree with Dura neg and Multi-Stellar LS with telekinesis. For physical LS you can maybe get them to Class P via Eon and Diamondhead clashing blades, however I’m not the best with LS stuff so idk if this would count.

Neutral on everything else for now.

 

[Hellformer]

Agree with Dura neg and Multi-Stellar LS with telekinesis. For physical LS you can maybe get them to Class P via Eon and Diamondhead clashing blades, however I’m not the best with LS stuff so idk if this would count.

Neutral on everything else for now.

Thanks, I've made the changes. What about Waybig's Key seperation?

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

A common hell former w
Agree

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Thanks, I've made the changes. What about Waybig's Key seperation?

I’m guessing OS Way Big is just upscaling a bit from other OS characters? If so then I agree on that too.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

AGREE ON EVERYTHING.
Bit iffy on Conceptual Manipulation as it leans heavily into the meaning 'metaphysics' but I've seen characters get it for less. Agreed. Metaphysics can also directly refer to abstract concepts like space and time.

Neatral on Non-Physical interaction as a character with EE can erase a Intangible being without physically interaction.

Agree on Feedback. Energy does have mass.

 

[BlastX]

If 10-11 year old Way Big is gonna be upscaling from Classic Aliens then Kevin 12 should also be downgraded then.

 

[Hellformer]

AGREE ON EVERYTHING.
Bit iffy on Conceptual Manipulation as it leans heavily into the meaning 'metaphysics' but I've seen characters get it for less. Agreed. Metaphysics can also directly refer to abstract concepts like space and time.

Yup

Neatral on Non-Physical interaction as a character with EE can erase a Intangible being without physically interaction.

Zeno has this ability with the same reasoning. And I've given other argument to it besides the first one.

Agree on Feedback. Energy does have mass.

Yes

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

The revision proposals seem sound to me. By the way, it would be better for the image from the guide to be uploaded to Imgur or to the VS Battles Wiki by you, rather than be contained in someone else's YouTube video.

 

[REX9097]

Agree

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Zeno has this ability with the same reasoning. And I've given other argument to it besides the first one.

Then I agree.

 

[REX9097]

Way Big Classic/OV Flashback seems to have not developed much because Ben has only used it once and has not seen its full power as it has no feats. This means that Way Big shouldn't have Classic/OV Flashback key because he doesn't have feat, plus we haven't seen his abilities.
Note: The only feat that Way Big Classic/OV Flashback has is this

• Way Big was able to send Vilgax into Orbit, with this much speed.

 

[Hellformer]

Way Big Classic/OV Flashback seems to have not developed much because Ben has only used it once and has not seen its full power as it has no feats. This means that Way Big shouldn't have Classic/OV Flashback key because he doesn't have feat, plus we haven't seen his abilities.
Note: The only feat that Way Big Classic/OV Flashback has is this

We'll simply upscale him from the other aliens

 

[Hellformer]

The revision proposals seem sound to me. By the way, it would be better for the image from the guide to be uploaded to Imgur or to the VS Battles Wiki by you, rather than be contained in someone else's YouTube video.

Done

 

[REX9097]

We'll simply upscale him from the other aliens

We didn't see his power in Classic/OV Flashback can comparable to other aliens, and will get downgrade all aliens, if Classic/OV Flashback is accepted and this will change everything in Classic/OV Flashback keys.
Large Planetary Feats will be cancelled for Classic/OV Flashback aliens and they will become High 6-A to Low 5-B possibly

 

[Hellformer]

We didn't see his power in Classic/OV Flashback can comparable to other aliens, and will get downgrade all aliens, if Classic/OV Flashback is accepted and this will change everything in Classic/OV Flashback keys.
Large Planetary Feats will be cancelled for Classic/OV Flashback aliens and they will become High 6-A to Low 5-B possibly

Okay then I'll remove it

 

[Ghengiroo115]

We didn't see his power in Classic/OV Flashback can comparable to other aliens, and will get downgrade all aliens, if Classic/OV Flashback is accepted and this will change everything in Classic/OV Flashback keys.
Large Planetary Feats will be cancelled for Classic/OV Flashback aliens and they will become High 6-A to Low 5-B possibly

Wait, how does this downgrade every alien? UAF/OV Way Big would still be High 5-A, Ultimate Kevin would still have 1/10th his power, Ultimate Humungousaur would still scale to Ultimate Kevin and base Humungousaur would still be 1/10th Ultimate.

 

[REX9097]

Wait, how does this downgrade every alien? UAF/OV Way Big would still be High 5-A, Ultimate Kevin would still have 1/10th his power, Ultimate Humungousaur would still scale to Ultimate Kevin and base Humungousaur would still be 1/10th Ultimate.

I didn't say this will only affect All aliens it will only affect Classic/OV Flashback aliens.

 

[NXCHT.66]

Will comment later.

 

[Hellformer]

I didn't say this will only affect All aliens it will only affect Classic/OV Flashback aliens.

It might not because they downscale by 1/10th from the AF aliens and so will the Classic waybig. As easy as that

 

[Ghengiroo115]

I didn't say this will only affect All aliens it will only affect Classic/OV Flashback aliens.

Yeah that’s what I mean, I don’t see how this would downgrade every OS alien.

 

[REX9097]

Yeah that’s what I mean, I don’t see how this would downgrade every OS alien.

Oh I forgot that.

 

[Livinmeme]

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2; Paradox in his debut episode mentions about Transtemporal Metaphysics. Transtemporality means time-travel in this context while Metaphysics is the division of philosophy that is concerned with the fundamental nature of reality and being and that includes ontology, cosmology, and often epistemology. As if the fundamental/universal idea of space-time origins from somewhere which in this case would be the Forge of Creation since it is a place where the entire verse began, a place where the Celestialsapiens reside)

That sounds like a type 1

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

That sounds like a type 1

Time and Causality govern reality in a sence as Paradox stated that the Chrononavigator can destroy all of time and causality and then later stated the all of existence will be destroyed as a result.

 

[Hellformer]

That sounds like a type 1

It's Type 2 because the very fundamental/universal idea of space-time origins from the Forge of Creation

 

[Livinmeme]

It's Type 2 because the very fundamental/universal idea of space-time origins from the Forge of Creation

That is straight up Type 1, dude. Type 1 are concepts that are unbound from the universe, and well...Ben 10 concepts directly come from the forge of creation

 

[Hellformer]

That is straight up Type 1, dude. Type 1 are concepts that are unbound from the universe, and well...Ben 10 concepts directly come from the forge of creation

Well okay then