Beerus vs Superboy-Prime (Countdown)

[Naitez]

Since that DBverse thing won't work out until the series is finished, I'm just gonna do a simple one-on-one here.

Beerus is gonna really try to fight here. Superboy-Prime is in his Countdown form and is bloodlusted like in his fight against Monarch. Who wins?

 

[LegendsVII]

It's really tough. Superboy-Prime did stand in the middle of a Universal explosion, but Beerus is apparently strong enough to nullify the entire blast. That's all the energy in it, and SBP would have been absorbing a relatively lesser amount. But then again, I feel like SBP's Speed may be able to conquer Beerus'. I think Beerus would have more durability, but Prime would be faster.

I say Superboy-Prime 6/10

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Prime would probably do something really stupid at least once, but his massive speed advantage should mean he takes this quite a few more times than not.

 

[Naitez]

Looks like this is in favor of Prime. Anyone else?

 

[LegendsVII]

Yeah. But I think Beerus wins if they had equalized speed. I'd split it into Rounds (one with speed equalized).

 

[Aparajita]

Isn't SBP like... faster than Speedforce itself? Didn't he blitz Wally after Wally absorbed all the Speedforce in DCU?

Yeah. SBP takes this.

Speed Equalized? Well, SBP would have to do something stupid to lose here, too.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Isn't SBP like... faster than Speedforce itself? Didn't he blitz Wally after Wally absorbed all the Speedforce in DCU?

He blitzed a crapload of Speed Force users at once and was confirmed by the Flashes to be even faster than Wally. Bart needed to absorb the whole SF in order to outrace Prime, so his speed, while ridiculous, isn't infinite.

 

[Aparajita]

Isn't SBP like... faster than Speedforce itself? Didn't he blitz Wally after Wally absorbed all the Speedforce in DCU?

He blitzed a crapload of Speed Force users at once and was confirmed by the Flashes to be even faster than Wally. Bart needed to absorb the whole SF in order to outrace Prime, so his speed, while ridiculous, isn't infinite.

I thought he absorbed all of the Force to KEEP PACE with Prime.

Speed Force, which affects Zoom, is infinite. So Prime should be infinite unless i'm mistaken.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I thought he absorbed all of the Force to KEEP PACE with Prime.

Speed Force, which affects Zoom, is infinite. So Prime should be infinite unless i'm mistaken.

Nah. Bart absorbed all of it to just barely beat Prime back to the main DCU. So he's like...the fastest non-infinite speed character in DC, but not quite infinite.

 

[Aparajita]

I thought he absorbed all of the Force to KEEP PACE with Prime.

Speed Force, which affects Zoom, is infinite. So Prime should be infinite unless i'm mistaken.

Nah. Bart absorbed all of it to just barely beat Prime back to the main DCU. So he's like...the fastest non-infinite speed character in DC, but not quite infinite.

"Just barely beat Prime back", which is... ALMOST infinite, how close was it?

If he can keep up with an infinite speed character (Bart should be, if he absorbed all of the Speed Force because of Zoom's speed), then he should be infinite.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I'll have to find the scan, as I don't recall the specifics.

I'm fairly certain this is before he did that.

 

[Naitez]

Hope you guys know that Prime's speed in his base form is somewhat comparable to Pre-Crisis Superman's. Countdown Prime's possibly exceeds it.

 

[Canis_Latrans2]

Beerus Prime will probably do something stupid and beerus will take him out

 

[Dragon_Emperor_lV]

Beerus is universal without even going all out.

 

[Naitez]

Which doesn't matter since he can't operate above three dimensions nor does he have truly infinite three dimensional power. Even if he went all out, he's still just Universe level.

 

[Dragon_Emperor_lV]

Which doesn't matter since he can't operate above three dimensions nor does he have truly infinite three dimensional power. Even if he went all out, he's still just Universe level.

I still think that's a little too much for Prime.

 

[Naitez]

The verdict is 4-2 in favor of Prime. Dragon Emperor IV didn't make his decision clear. Anyone else?

Edit:The reason I didn't have speed equalized is because Prime's fighting skills are nowhere near as good as Beerus's and he's more prone to doing stupid things despite his immense power. Still, if you're waaaay faster, skill won't mean much as the body can't react fast enough.

 

[Dragon_Emperor_lV]

The verdict is 4-2 in favor of Prime. Dragon Emperor IV didn't make his decision clear. Anyone else?
Edit:The reason I didn't have speed equalized is because Prime's fighting skills are nowhere near as good as Beerus's and he's more prone to doing stupid things despite his immense power. Still, if you're waaaay faster, skill won't mean much as the body can't react fast enough.

Prime does not have the strength to contend with Beerus and Beerus is way to versitile for Prime. Beerus can also make more than one version of himself with about the same strength for each clone.

 

[Naitez]

Wait, what? When did Beerus demonstrate cloning? He didn't do this in the manga yet and the anime is still in the middle of RoF I think. Also, you can't properly quantify universal power so we're gonna have to assume that all Tier 3-As have the same potency of power.

 

[Dragon_Emperor_lV]

Wait, what? When did Beerus demonstrate cloning? He didn't do this in the manga yet and the anime is still in the middle of RoF I think. Also, you can't properly quantify universal power so we're gonna have to assume that all Tier 3-As have the same potency of power.

He did it in episode 14.

 

[Naitez]

That's a one-off thing and hasn't been demonstrated in the movie or anywhere else, not even in his manga battle against Champa. Also, those clones didn't seem to cause Goku to really give up so your statement about them being the same strength doesn't really hold up.

 

[Shock97]

It doesn't matter if it's a one off thing it's still an ability he showcased, and thus will obviously possess in this battle. And the clones were only used for a few seconds and considering Beerus was holding back during the fight were probably pulling their punches as well.

 

[Zensum]

Edit* unless you think beerus can put out more power than COIE Anti Montior , Superboy got this .

 

[LordAizenSama]

That's a one-off thing and hasn't been demonstrated in the movie or anywhere else, not even in his manga battle against Champa. Also, those clones didn't seem to cause Goku to really give up so your statement about them being the same strength doesn't really hold up.

the Anime is the primary canon, the movies got retconned, and the manga is Secondary canon. I really don't understand why you think he can't replicate what he did against goku..

 

[Naitez]

He can do the cloning thing but it's not exactly clear how much power each clone has since it didn't make Goku give up. Cloning techniques from other characters had each clone weaker than the original. Was it specified in the anime how much power each clone has?

 

[LordAizenSama]

I don't believe it was ever stated, so that point is debatable, IMO it is probably not

 

[Naitez]

Also, having clones doesn't really matter when you're so much faster than them, like in this screenshot.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

^ Pretty sure that was travel speed. Beerus's combat speed is comparable.

 

[Zensum]

Superboy Prime escaped the speed force and prevented 3 flashes from blitzing him in combat . Wally West with 100% of the SF admited prime is faster than he is. here. This is before his power up btw lol at beerus catching him

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

The first feat you mentioned is travel speed, I concede to the others.

 

[Naitez]

Looks like this is in favor of Prime. I'm gonna have this added to their lists.

 

[SaberLily015]

I disagree even if Prime is faster i doubt he can do any real damage to Beerus and is gonna screw up somewere (For example attempting to grapple Beerus and then getting killed for not moving) speed is nice but if your not smart enough to use it properly and don't have the strength to win with it what point is there?

 

[Dragon_Emperor_lV]

Looks like this is in favor of Prime. I'm gonna have this added to their lists.

I really don't see how Prime could hurt Beerus.

 

[SSJRyu1]

I'm gonna say primes speed is overrated actually. Sure he can keep up with flashes, but the flash's quantifiable speed is not near as fast as people think. The best speed feat that can be quantified which I have seen for them while they are not amped, like they are in the human race, is the 13 trillion times ftl feat for Wally. In all honesty Primes at best in that range of speed since the full speed force thing is faster than him, and also it is racing him in travel, and kryptonians accelerate over long distances in travel, so it makes the feat less likely to even be applied to combat. So I wouldn't give him more than the 13 trillion in combat if we use the transitive property for feats and scaling of characters. I mean he even gets tagged all the time by by much slower fighters than the flash's, and he gets blitzed more than he blitz the flashes, especially bart, so I don't see him as nigh infinite speed you guys are making him out to be. Maybe in travel over time, but not combat.

 

[SaberLily015]

There is also a pretty huge difference between their feats.

A bloodlusted Prime caused damage to Monarchs armor and the energy leaking caused the Universe to explode which he just happened to survive Monarch is also to my knowledge not MFTL+ and was tagging Prime implying even when bloodlusted he doesn't tend to just blitz people.

Beerus took that amount of energy and reduced it to nothing without going all out (remember he was lying about going 100%) hell even Goku negated a stronger universe destroying attack in base form (Well Saiyan Beyond God form)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bffwjKTcsc

 

[Naitez]

Monarch is actually Universe Level+. He's just manhandling Prime and taking everything he had with relative ease. He could have beat him any time but due to PIS or the armor being less than High Universe level or whatever, he didn't and got himself beat.

Also, you're kind of implying that Beerus is High Universe level, of which there is no concrete proof of. Besides, that energy could have been just multi-galaxy level stuff.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

So basically, Monarch was just holding back and manhandling Supes boy Prime, huh? If Monarch was Low 2-C, Prime better be lucky he had the plot armor on or some BS like that.

 

[Naitez]

Monarch also survived the universal destruction when he reverted back to Captain Atom. As for the plot armor, it ran out after Countdown Arena when he killed and absorbed 52 Captain Atoms.

Yeah, Countdown was a mess.

 

[Dragon_Emperor_lV]

Monarch also survived the universal destruction when he reverted back to Captain Atom. As for the plot armor, it ran out after Countdown Arena when he killed and absorbed 52 Captain Atoms.
Yeah, Countdown was a mess.

It more of a universal life wiping chain reaction. Beerus can just destroy one with one blast while holding back.

 

[Zensum]

I disagree even if Prime is faster i doubt he can do any real damage to Beerus and is gonna screw up somewere (For example attempting to grapple Beerus and then getting killed for not moving) speed is nice but if your not smart enough to use it properly and don't have the strength to win with it what point is there?

Before Countdown, If SB can react to 3 flashes ( all shown to be argably faster than beerus ) in a battle at once preventing them from blitzing him, moving shouldnt be an issue. Strength too win? Arguably SB has better strength feats/showings . Also before countdown and ION boost he was able to produce a punch that alters reality . Heres another instance of him altering someone history by punching them.

If Beerus has some new striking str feats post em here not caught up yet.

I'm gonna say primes speed is overrated actually. Sure he can keep up with flashes, but the flash's quantifiable speed is not near as fast as people think. The best speed feat that can be quantified which I have seen for them while they are not amped, like they are in the human race, is the 13 trillion times ftl feat for Wally. In all honesty Primes at best in that range of speed since the full speed force thing is faster than him, and also it is racing him in travel, and kryptonians accelerate over long distances in travel, so it makes the feat less likely to even be applied to combat. So I wouldn't give him more than the 13 trillion in combat if we use the transitive property for feats and scaling of characters. I mean he even gets tagged all the time by by much slower fighters than the flash's, and he gets blitzed more than he blitz the flashes, especially bart, so I don't see him as nigh infinite speed you guys are making him out to be. Maybe in travel over time, but not combat.

Here Jay admits SB is faster than him. Here Wally admits SB is faster than him. The thing about them admitting it in this case that he is flat out faster than them means it can be considred in a battle and travel sense. Bart needed 100% of all the speed force just to reach DCU before him. SB did actually escape the Speed Force which was a feat deemed impossible. Despite getting tagged he is fully capable of withstanding the attacks even tanks barts punches with 100% of the Speed force. This is all before his ION amp at countdown

I know his travel speed whats beerus best fight speed showing if he has something mor impressive link me plz

There is also a pretty huge difference between their feats.
A bloodlusted Prime caused damage to Monarchs armor and the energy leaking caused the Universe to explode which he just happened to survive Monarch is also to my knowledge not MFTL+ and was tagging Prime implying even when bloodlusted he doesn't tend to just blitz people.

Beerus took that amount of energy and reduced it to nothing without going all out (remember he was lying about going 100%) hell even Goku negated a stronger universe destroying attack in base form (Well Saiyan Beyond God form)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bffwjKTcsc

Was that attack stated to be universal level it didnt seem to be very impressive considering. In the video they dont mention the DC

Keep in mind Prime with ION amp at countdown is a multiversal threat Even punches through the 5th dimmension . Besides his fight we monarch he also was able to torture Mxy who also is 2A despite that fact he was weakned to what extent we dont know.

True Monarch was in control most of the fight but what you have to realize is monarch might be the strongest non abstract entity in DC killing 52 capton atoms all stronger than pre crisis superman. The contianment suit exposion caused a big bang which is a valid feat