Beerus vs fusion

[Iisdude1]

Gogeta starts in base

Speed equal

 

[Omegas03]

With the info we have now, Gogeta likely dominates since he stomped Broly who was said to be >= Beerus. Stomp.

Unless we don"t take Goku's statement seriously then I don't know.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Goku has already been on the level of the gods. So it's very likely he knows how powerful Beerus is approximately to make an accurate guess. Based on that Broly is at least around GoD level.

Beerus might stomp Gogeta if he doesn't turn Blue right out the bat though.

 

[JoshSSJGod]

I personally find it unlikely for Gogeta to do that as shown with him turning Blue when Broly went into his final form as to keep the power advantage in the fight.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Beerus has a lot of hax as well that might even the playing field other than Hakai which Gogeta resists as long as he's more powerful.

Beerus apparently has a Sealing technique that might be better than the Mafuba. Ki nullification, Pseudo-Ultra Instinct, The ability to survive in space( It's not Out of character for Beerus to destroy the planet they're fighting on lol), probably superior fighting skill( but this is debatable of course), and of course the biggest advantage is stamina because Gogeta has 30 minutes at most( Likely less because he'll be forced to use Blue) so Beerus might also outlast him. And ofc Beerus isn't THAT behind Gogeta even if we take Goku's statement into account. I think Beerus has a good chance of winning even if Gogeta is stronger tbh.

 

[GarrixianXD]

In-character: Gogeta wins mid to low difficulty, possibly even stomps

Bloodlusted: EE GG

 

[MagicCloud6]

Gogeta resists EE

 

[AwkguyDB]

So why is Blue Gogeta not 2-C again?

 

[MagicCloud6]

He got downgraded a several months back. Unsure. Perhaps checking the history might help?

 

[Ovrhide]

In-character: Gogeta wins mid to low difficulty, possibly even stomps
Bloodlusted: EE GG

Gogeta has EE resistence thanks to goku.

not much beerus can do at all if Gogeta goes blue. Beerus stomps Gogeta if he doesnt go blue right away tho.

 

[AwkguyDB]

yeah because no matter how you look at it, it makes no sense.

Goku was present when Beerus and Champa had their infamous half 2-C bout, twice. With that said, he should have seen the true power of Beerus (or a quick preview) to make an accurate claim like he did in the Broly movie with Broly being possibly stronger. If thats the case then Gogeta blue would be a solid 2-C because Broly couldn't close the gap.

If Goku saw a Suppressed Beerus during that time then that would upgrade basically anybody above Base Jiren to 2-C seeing as they would only need to be 2x Champa. This would also include Beerus himself.

 

[Ovrhide]

So why is Blue Gogeta not 2-C again?

If im not mistaken, Gogeta being stronger than someone who is likely stronger than beerus doesnt really say much for the gap. at least thats what i understood.

 

[MagicCloud6]

Make a CRT about it if you think Gogeta Blue should be 2-C

 

[AwkguyDB]

So why is Blue Gogeta not 2-C again?

If im not mistaken, Gogeta being stronger than someone who is likely stronger than beerus doesnt really say much for the gap. at least thats what i understood.

Broly closed a 50x gap in his Base form alone and he was getting stronger in his LSSJ Form specifically the burst after Cheelai summoned Shenron. With that said the gap between Broly and Gogeta should be huge.

 

[Ovrhide]

So why is Blue Gogeta not 2-C again?

If im not mistaken, Gogeta being stronger than someone who is likely stronger than beerus doesnt really say much for the gap. at least thats what i understood.

Broly closed a 50x gap in his Base form alone and he was getting stronger in his LSSJ Form specifically the burst after Cheelai summoned Shenron. With that said the gap between Broly and Gogeta should be huge.

people here dont like working with unknown gaps. so they left him at low 2-C. if it makes you feel any better, he is one of the strongests low 2-C characters in the site.

 

[Mulgara]

Beerus > Broly > SSB Gogeta. If you disagree with me, then debate me.

 

[AwkguyDB]

nice bait

 

[MrLuk2000]

Beerus > Broly > SSB Gogeta. If you disagree with me, then debate me.

 

[Mulgara]

I am up for your challenge!

 

[Ovrhide]

Beerus > Broly > SSB Gogeta. If you disagree with me, then debate me.

yeah, just ignore the dude. he got a thread lockdown for trolling. if you respond to him he might continue and get this one lcoked as well.

 

[GarrixianXD]

How do we block people on Fandom

 

[GarrixianXD]

I am up for your challenge!
I'm up bro! Btw I have infinite reasons why Gogeta is 11D

 

[Ovrhide]

I am up for your challenge!
I'm up bro! Btw I have infinite reasons why Gogeta is 11D
11D, they surpassed dimensions bro. low 1-A at bare minimum

 

[GarrixianXD]

I am up for your challenge!

I'm up bro! Btw I have infinite reasons why Gogeta is 11D
11D, they surpassed dimensions bro. low 1-A at bare minimum\
That's OP af

 

[NollsyWasRobbed2003]

I'm going with Beerus for now. Broli is (according to Goku) comparable to Beerus in raw power, but his FPSSJ form lacks speed according to the novel (which is why Gogeta had the advantage in their fight). If Broli's powerful enough to require a Full Force Kamehameha from Gogeta Blue (after being weakened by Gogeta's Meteor Explosion attack) to finally be taken out for good, then Beerus with superior speed and abilities to Broli (and being a better fighter than him) should at the very least be able to outlast Gogeta's fusion timer IMO.

 

[Ovrhide]

I'm going with Beerus for now. Broli is (according to Goku) comparable to Beerus in raw power, but his FPSSJ form lacks speed according to the novel (which is why Gogeta had the advantage in their fight). If Broli's powerful enough to require a Full Force Kamehameha from Gogeta Blue (after being weakened by Gogeta's Meteor Explosion attack) to finally be taken out for good, then Beerus with superior speed and abilities to Broli (and being a better fighter than him) should at the very least be able to outlast Gogeta's fusion timer IMO.

oh boy, a dupe or a loss soul

 

[Ovrhide]

I am up for your challenge!

I'm up bro! Btw I have infinite reasons why Gogeta is 11D

11D, they surpassed dimensions bro. low 1-A at bare minimum\
That's OP af
thats bare minimum bro, remember it was in just ssj.

 

[GarrixianXD]

I am up for your challenge!

I'm up bro! Btw I have infinite reasons why Gogeta is 11D

11D, they surpassed dimensions bro. low 1-A at bare minimum\

That's OP af
thats bare minimum bro, remember it was in just ssj.
So a 1,600,000 degree of Infinity above SSJ, that's beyond 1-A

 

[Ovrhide]

I am up for your challenge!

I'm up bro! Btw I have infinite reasons why Gogeta is 11D

11D, they surpassed dimensions bro. low 1-A at bare minimum\

That's OP af

thats bare minimum bro, remember it was in just ssj.
So a 1,600,000 degree of Infinity above SSJ, that's beyond 1-A
remember, toriyama stated broly was that "almighty"saiyan, and that he is rumored to be the strongest DB character.


thats an at least high 1-A to tier 0 statement there. Gogeta outright being tier 0 for beating him.

 

[NollsyWasRobbed2003]

oh boy, a dupe or a loss soul

You know, you could actually explain why I'm wrong instead of calling me a "loss soul" for no reason.

 

[Ovrhide]

oh boy, a dupe or a loss soul

You know, you could actually explain why I'm wrong instead of calling me a "loss soul" for no reason.
i dont have too. that is like explaining why water is wet.

 

[NollsyWasRobbed2003]

oh boy, a dupe or a loss soul You know, you could actually explain why I'm wrong instead of calling me a "loss soul" for no reason.
i dont have too. that is like explaining why water is wet.

How so? What's the problem with my original comment? Saying "you are wrong because you just are" makes you come off as a troll.

 

[Ovrhide]

oh boy, a dupe or a loss soul

You know, you could actually explain why I'm wrong instead of calling me a "loss soul" for no reason.i dont have too. that is like explaining why water is wet.
How so? What's the problem with my original comment? Saying "you are wrong because you just are" makes you come off as a troll.

no trolling, is just that the novel doesnt state anything for your argument, there really isnt anything to argue.

also, novel is only secondary canon. the movie is the primary canon.

i would ask you to make a revision thread if you really feel that your argument holds any water. People (and me alike) will gladly debate you on said subject. just dont be dissapointed if you dont see barely anyone agreeing with your side.

 

[MrLuk2000]

Could you guys not quote large walls of text? It heavily clogs the thread. If you are gonna reply to each other, then either use the @ or do it in one of your walls.

 

[IvoryAS]

Could you guys not quote large walls of text? It heavily clogs the thread. If you are gonna reply to each other, then either use the @ or do it in one of your walls.

I've honestly never seen it get that bad before

On another note... is incon an option?

 

[NollsyWasRobbed2003]

no trolling, is just that the novel doesnt state anything for your argument, there really isnt anything to argue.

also, novel is only secondary canon. the movie is the primary canon.

i would ask you to make a revision thread if you really feel that your argument holds any water. People (and me alike) will gladly debate you on said subject. just dont be dissapointed if you dont see barely anyone agreeing with your side.

I re-reviewed the novel and I did make an oopsie. It was Base Broli who lacked speed despite having a power advantage rather than FPSSJ Broli. And with FPSSJ Broli, there are comparable forms like obviously Grade 3 and Kale's Berserker forms which are both have statements in regards to their emphasis on power over speed, but I guess the forms are still not the same. With that being said, I'd still say Beerus might be able to outlast Gogeta's timer even if he also has the disadvantage in speed (which he doesn't in this battle but I'm just talking about a normal encounter), but I would side with Gogeta winning with extremely high difficulty. As for going to the revision board, Gogeta just having more of speed advantage than a power advantage over Broli wouldn't effect his profile at all. I mean, Gogeta Blue used to be 2-C for being able to apparently defeat Beerus and Champa at once if I'm not mistaken, but that has been removed. So I currently have absolutely no problems with his profile.

 

[Ovrhide]

no trolling, is just that the novel doesnt state anything for your argument, there really isnt anything to argue.

also, novel is only secondary canon. the movie is the primary canon.

i would ask you to make a revision thread if you really feel that your argument holds any water. People (and me alike) will gladly debate you on said subject. just dont be dissapointed if you dont see barely anyone agreeing with your side.

I re-reviewed the novel and I did make an oopsie. It was Base Broli who lacked speed despite having a power advantage rather than FPSSJ Broli. And with FPSSJ Broli, there are comparable forms like obviously Grade 3 and Kale's Berserker forms which are both have statements in regards to their emphasis on power over speed, but I guess the forms are still not the same. With that being said, I'd still say Beerus might be able to outlast Gogeta's timer even if he also has the disadvantage in speed (which he doesn't in this battle but I'm just talking about a normal encounter), but I would side with Gogeta winning with extremely high difficulty. As for going to the revision board, Gogeta just having more of speed advantage than a power advantage over Broli wouldn't effect his profile at all. I mean, Gogeta Blue used to be 2-C for being able to apparently defeat Beerus and Champa at once if I'm not mistaken, but that has been removed. So I currently have absolutely no problems with his profile.
Gogeta has an Ap and Speed advantage in his profile. I dont need to debate this, as it isnt up for debate, but if you really want to change the wikis views, might as well make a revision thread.


and again, the novel holds nothing over the movie.

 

[Ovrhide]

I've honestly never seen it get that bad before

On another note... is incon an option? </div>

incon shouldnt be an option. Beerus instantly stomps base gogeta. Gogeta needs to start in blue if he were to win, and OP didnt make it so.

 

[IvoryAS]

So we're just going to have to take Goku's statement?

Because if so, a bloddlusted stomp including "Hakai GG" is makin' alot sense here.

EDIT: Spelling

 

[Ovrhide]

So we're just going to have to take Golu's statement?
Because if so, a bloddlusted stomp including "Hakai GG" is makin' alot sense here.

if we are talking blue gogeta, no, he has resistance to it, thanks to both goku and vegeta.

base form gets stomped by beerus.