Beelzebub (Record of Ragnarok) vs Sasuke Uchiha (Part II) [0-0-0]

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This is Hebi Sasuke starting in 7-A with his Curse Mark and Sharingan on being used here, speed equalized and Beelzebub has Prior Knowledge on Sasuke's Genjutsu and Kirin with the fight taking place in Itachi's hideout.

Beelzebub :

Sasuke :

Incon :

 

[Smashtwig]

idk who this guy is but genjutsu gg?

(edit: I did NOT read)

 

[azontr]

With prior knowledge, Beelzebub wins easily. All he has to do is close his eyes or look away, and then just shred Sasuke with a vibration blade.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

With prior knowledge, Beelzebub wins easily. All he has to do is close his eyes or look away, and then just shred Sasuke with a vibration blade.

Sasuke's Sharingan would allow him to avoid getting wiped in one blow since it would see the vibrations, not to mention it's precog and his substitution jutsu.

 

[azontr]

I do not see anywhere on Sasuke's Sharingan tabber that says he is able to see vibrations.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I do not see anywhere on Sasuke's Sharingan tabber that says he is able to see vibrations.

He's able to see both invisible things and down to the cellular level, you think he can't see the air shifting around due to Beelzebub's powers?

 

[azontr]

He's able to see both invisible things and down to the cellular level, you think he can't see the air shifting around due to Beelzebub's powers?

Air molecules are smaller than cells.

 

[Smashtwig]

Air molecules are smaller than cells.

I’m afraid that’s not how things work. I can see light just fine but those are smaller than most molecules too. Quantity matters.

 

[azontr]

I’m afraid that’s not how things work. I can see light just fine but those are smaller than most molecules too. Quantity mamatters.

What? You can see light because light is visible. Air molecules are not. This is perhaps the worst comparison you could have possibly ever made.

There is a visible spectrum of light for a reason.

 

[Smashtwig]

What? You can see light because light is visible. Air molecules are not. This is perhaps the worst comparison you could have possibly ever made.

There is a visible spectrum of light for a reason.

Okay change it to sand then

If your argument is because “air transparent” then don’t say “air small”

 

[azontr]

What are you even talking about? Sand doesn't work either. Sand is still large enough that you can see it. Don't try and misconstrue what I'm saying if you do not actually know what I'm saying.

 

[Smashtwig]

Bro you can see a singular grain of sand?

Maybe I'm just blind then damn

Basically what im saying is that the air being small isn't a good reason why Sasuke can't see the vibration blades. If the overall construct is large he can still see it. Air being transparent is a much more valid point though

 

[azontr]

If the overall construct is large he can still see it

Its not a construct. It's not physical. You can't actually see vibrations, you can only see what they're acting on.

Sasuke being able to see cells wouldn't help him see the air vibrating if he doesn't have feats of doing that. This is a very simple concept.

 

[Smashtwig]

Still missing what I'm saying but maybe I just can't word it correctly. Whatever it's fine

Didn't he fight Zaku and Temari? Aound and wind projectiles are basically just vibrations of air, and he seems to deal with those just fine

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Still missing what I'm saying but maybe I just can't word it correctly. Whatever it's fine

Didn't he fight Zaku and Temari? Aound and wind projectiles are basically just vibrations of air, and he seems to deal with those just fine

He fought the Sound Ninja in the forest who vibrate the air with sound waves and he could dodged those, meaning he could perceive them.

 

[azontr]

Bro could've just said that and things would've been 200x easier

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bro could've just said that and things would've been 200x easier

I'll be honest, I completely forgot about that last night so that's on me.

 

[azontr]

Crazy.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Anyways, so with that out of the way Sasuke can avoid getting one tapped by the vibrations so easily. The more interesting question is how will he get past Beelzebub's shield and predictions without just plowing through it outright with CM2?

 

[azontr]

Don't think Sasuke can outpredict Beel even with Sharingan, so his best bet is just raw AP and speed with whatever amps.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Don't think Sasuke can outpredict Beel even with Sharingan, so his best bet is just raw AP and speed with whatever amps.

You know what would be really funny? Seeing Beel think he hits Sasuke and kills him only for it to turn into a log via the Substitution Jutsu. He'd be having Tesla flashbacks all over again.

 

[azontr]

Lol.

But yeah if Sasuke just starts with whatever crazy Shonen character amps he has, I don't see much Beel could do.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Lol.

But yeah if Sasuke just starts with whatever crazy Shonen character amps he has, I don't see much Beel could do.

He definitely wouldn't open with Curse Mark 2 first, he never does that against anyone except Orochimaru where he has no other real option in that moment. He'll probably try to find a way around the shield first and maybe partially transform like he did against Itachi which wouldn't get him through the shield on its own raw power but it would let him fly. He needs to figure out something fast though since Beelzebub will rip apart Sasuke's arsenal piece by piece, especially if Beelze is still in his "I'm trying to die" mindset which means his immortality is an issue.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Sauce would start off either with a shunshin blitz attempt like he did against Deidara, or a chidori blitz attempt which is also a pretty general starting move for him.
AP wise it's 139 megatons vs 467 megatons (or about 3.3x advantage for Beel) but both greatly upscale from these values so the exact difference is a bit blurry so the damage that Sasuke does is debatable but if he notices he can't do anything without it he'll quickly pull out cm2 and get about a 2.9 advantage.

It's been a while since I've read Beelzebub vs Tesla and I'm not 100% up to date on RoR ever since the Susano'o fight started but I don't know where this

Don't think Sasuke can outpredict Beel even with Sharingan, so his best bet is just raw AP and speed with whatever amps.

Is coming from. Sharingan straight up shows you what the opponent is going to do next and Beelzebub is forced to avoid seeing Sasukes eyes or he'll get caught in a genjutsu which would further nerf his ability to predict his next moves.

Overall Sasuke undeniably has the wider kit here, a speed advantage with various amps (shunshin, CM2, chidori), reaction speed advantage with sharingan, AP advantage with cm2, and Beelzebub is forced to avoid seeing Sasukes eyes to not get one shotted with genjustu. I don't really see many if any advantages for Beelzebub here

 

[azontr]

Again, if Sasuke just opens with an instant blitz amp, I don't really see the point in arguing who does or doesn't have better prediction to begin with.

Seems like a stomp.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Sasuke did not use Shunshin against Deidara at the start, what? If he did then he would have vanished from the camera since that's always how Shunshin has been portrayed. All he did was use regular sprinting to try and cut him down.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Again, if Sasuke just opens with an instant blitz amp, I don't really see the point in arguing who does or doesn't have better prediction to begin with.

Shunshin isn't a perception blitz, just a physical one meaning if there's sufficient distance Beelzebubs predictions could still allow him to somewhat react. And Sasuke can't really one shot Beel given he starts off 3x weaker. I still think it's a low diff fight at worst but it's not like Beelzebub literally can't do anything.

Sasuke did not use Shunshin against Deidara at the start, what? If he did then he would have vanished from the camera since that's always how Shunshin has been portrayed. All he did was use regular sprinting to try and cut him down.

He did, Tobi states him almost blitzing Deidara was because of his shunshin

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I mean, if Beelzebub can and decides to do it, couldn't "Chaos" just, shred Sasuke and anything he might have? It was restrained in the RoR arena, but when Hades saw it the thing was as big as multiple mountains iirc? And it's his most powerful attack that made Zeus shit bricks.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I mean, if Beelzebub can and decides to do it, couldn't "Chaos" just, shred Sasuke and anything he might have? It was restrained in the RoR arena, but when Hades saw it the thing was as big as multiple mountains iirc? And it's his most powerful attack that made Zeus shit bricks.

Closer to a building in my opinion

And there is a build up so I don't see Sasuke letting Beelzebub charge it up without either stopping him or getting out of range

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Closer to a building in my opinion

Ah, yeah, I thought those rock walls were mountains at first

And there is a build up so I don't see Sasuke letting Beelzebub charge it up without either stopping him or getting out of range

Yeah, that's true. It does require him to press his skull staff with both hands.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Ah, yeah, I thought those rock walls were mountains at first

Yeah, that's true. It does require him to press his skull staff with both hands.

Just getting close to him while he charges that is dangerous though since he's still vibrating while he charges it, meaning Sasuke could hurt himself if he uses an melee attacks on him at that moment.

 

[Smashtwig]

What does it mean when the guy can predict anything he's seen once? Like does it work if it's the same technique applied in a different way (example Sasukes shurikenjutsu and its practically unlimited angles)

 

[DavidTPPM]

Just getting close to him while he charges that is dangerous though since he's still vibrating while he charges it, meaning Sasuke could hurt himself if he uses an melee attacks on him at that moment.

I mean yeah but that doesn't really mean all that much. Worst case scenario Sasuke could block the attack with his wings like he blocked Deidaras bombs or cover himself in chidori to counter fight the attack.

But what's worse is that Chaos significantly hurts Beelzebub himself as well. And unlike Beel, Sasuke has low-mid regeneration and can go up to high-mid with snake substitution here, meaning if Beelzebub damaged them both he'd be the one at a disadvantage in the end.