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Why doesn't her profile say her range is Cross-Universal on Purgatorio, then?
Ignoring that, you didn't answer my petrification question.
Ignoring that, you didn't answer my petrification question.
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Bayonetta Vs Kratos
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Because cross-universal isnt the proper rating for such a thing
He cant pertify her while she's in Purgatorio and several of the abilities i listed would prevent her from being petrified, on top of being able to resist Fury's petrification
He cant pertify her while she's in Purgatorio and several of the abilities i listed would prevent her from being petrified, on top of being able to resist Fury's petrification
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He cant pertify her while she's in Purgatorio
Can do it before, then. Bloodlusted, and he was already prone to spamming petrification in the first novel.
and several of the abilities i listed would prevent her from being petrified
Most abilities you listed are forcefields and damage negation, which won't prevent Petrification. Only the butterflies potentially do, but it's not like he can't cast it again.
Can do it before, then. Bloodlusted, and he was already prone to spamming petrification in the first novel.
and several of the abilities i listed would prevent her from being petrified
Most abilities you listed are forcefields and damage negation, which won't prevent Petrification. Only the butterflies potentially do, but it's not like he can't cast it again.
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on top of being able to resist Fury's Petrification
Not petrification. It induces fear and paralyzes the opponent.
Not petrification. It induces fear and paralyzes the opponent.
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What happened to leading with Poseidon's Rage that you insisted he leads with?
Going into Purgatorio where Kratos literally cannot touch her, reflecting the attack back at Kratos, instant portals to dodge, attack negation, and being able to resist Fury's petrification
You never answered whether or not Kratos is resistant to empathic manipulation
Going into Purgatorio where Kratos literally cannot touch her, reflecting the attack back at Kratos, instant portals to dodge, attack negation, and being able to resist Fury's petrification
You never answered whether or not Kratos is resistant to empathic manipulation
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What happened to leading with Poseidon's Rage that you insisted he leads with?
I said in the same thread he led with Petrification, followed by either Zeus's lightning bolts and Poseidon's Rage.
Going into Purgatorio where Kratos literally cannot touch her, reflecting the attack back at Kratos, instant portals to dodge, and being able to resist Fury's Petrification
Kratos can petrify her before that happens.
Fury's petrification in-game merely slows Bayonetta down, and the description says it ensnares the opponent with a terrifying gaze, meaning it's a fear ability
Even if it was petrification, it's pretty low-level. Doesn't compare to a gaze that petrifies several dozen in a single swoop.
You never answered whether or not Kratos is resistant to empathic manipulation
Depends on the type of empathic manip. If it's mind-related, yes.
I said in the same thread he led with Petrification, followed by either Zeus's lightning bolts and Poseidon's Rage.
Going into Purgatorio where Kratos literally cannot touch her, reflecting the attack back at Kratos, instant portals to dodge, and being able to resist Fury's Petrification
Kratos can petrify her before that happens.
Fury's petrification in-game merely slows Bayonetta down, and the description says it ensnares the opponent with a terrifying gaze, meaning it's a fear ability
Even if it was petrification, it's pretty low-level. Doesn't compare to a gaze that petrifies several dozen in a single swoop.
You never answered whether or not Kratos is resistant to empathic manipulation
Depends on the type of empathic manip. If it's mind-related, yes.
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You're also forgetting that Bayonetta's only actual shot at a permanent kill requires close-range, subjecting her to his blades and all of his hax...full-stop. Including time-stop, and, if I recall correctly, her resistance comes from Umbra Witches being naturally immune to Witch Time as seen in the various fights against Jeanne. That won't stop the Amulet of Uroborus.
Do correct me if it's from the Lumen Sages.
Also, Bayonetta sorely lacks a way to keep him in a single place for a long time
Do correct me if it's from the Lumen Sages.
Also, Bayonetta sorely lacks a way to keep him in a single place for a long time
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@Kep All three of which can be reflected back at him, dodged with a portal, and negged with the butterflies.
Range of petrification =/= potency
Its emotion-related. If she so much as scratches Kratos with Sloth he will be reduced to a doubtful arrogant idiot
Range of petrification =/= potency
Its emotion-related. If she so much as scratches Kratos with Sloth he will be reduced to a doubtful arrogant idiot
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Going into Purgatorio where Kratos literally cannot touch her, 5-B forcefields, attack negation, instant portals that let her dodge attacks, Invulnerability to High 4-C damage and hax with a yellow moon lollipop, or attack reflectionAxl233 said:
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Not really, her summons have an effective range of thousands of kilometers. And it comes from resisting Lumen time manip as well, yesKepekley23 said:
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Shooty shoot beats stabby stab for the hillbuster's reasons.
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All three of which can be reflected back at him, dodged with a portal, and negged with the butterflies.
Poseidon's Rage and Medusa's Gaze can't be reflected or dodged with a portal. Both are implied to be instantaneous in the novels.
Range of petrification =/= potency
Fear-Induced Paralysis = \ = Petrification
Its emotion-related. If she so much as scratches Kratos with Sloth he will be reduced to a doubtful arrogant idiot
Sounds like she needs to mess with his mind to do that.
Poseidon's Rage and Medusa's Gaze can't be reflected or dodged with a portal. Both are implied to be instantaneous in the novels.
Range of petrification =/= potency
Fear-Induced Paralysis = \ = Petrification
Its emotion-related. If she so much as scratches Kratos with Sloth he will be reduced to a doubtful arrogant idiot
Sounds like she needs to mess with his mind to do that.
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Bayo's summons are summoned FROM thousands of kilometers. They don't have that range in combat. Of course, if I'm wrong you're free to post scans, since I'm sorely speaking of my playthrough 4 months ago.
Bayonetta can't kill Kratos with one exception, one that requires her to land hits directly, and can't actually keep him in a single place since he can get around paralysis. So, even if we were to take everything you said so far at face value, it still doesn't help Bayo
Bayonetta can't kill Kratos with one exception, one that requires her to land hits directly, and can't actually keep him in a single place since he can get around paralysis. So, even if we were to take everything you said so far at face value, it still doesn't help Bayo
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http://bayonetta.wikia.com/wiki/Sloth
"The six swords sheathed in his back represent gluttony, profanity, doubt, idiocy, rage and arrogance. Each blade awakens feelings in victims of its respective sin when cut."
Its not mind-based
Yes they have that range, Demons like Scolopendra are 10 km long through sheer size, Gomorrah was tearing apart a city with just its presence, Baal is capable of attacking opponents from across the far ends of a battlefield (and is technically described as having infinite range), angels on the level of her demons are capable of producing country-sized storms and massive water spouts with just their presence, while weaker angels can destroy the planet, wipe out civilizations with a swing of their arm, and conceal the true size of the ocean. So yes, they do have that range in combat.
Literally any one of her summons can hold him in place and he wouldnt be powerful enough to break out.
Im not sure what you tried to link there but the video just has him running over a collapsing bridge...
"The six swords sheathed in his back represent gluttony, profanity, doubt, idiocy, rage and arrogance. Each blade awakens feelings in victims of its respective sin when cut."
Its not mind-based
Yes they have that range, Demons like Scolopendra are 10 km long through sheer size, Gomorrah was tearing apart a city with just its presence, Baal is capable of attacking opponents from across the far ends of a battlefield (and is technically described as having infinite range), angels on the level of her demons are capable of producing country-sized storms and massive water spouts with just their presence, while weaker angels can destroy the planet, wipe out civilizations with a swing of their arm, and conceal the true size of the ocean. So yes, they do have that range in combat.
Literally any one of her summons can hold him in place and he wouldnt be powerful enough to break out.
Im not sure what you tried to link there but the video just has him running over a collapsing bridge...
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summons snip
Alright then. But what about I said above? She only has one way to permakill.
Literally any one of her summons can hold him in place and he wouldnt be powerful enough to break out.
They need to hit him first, and he has plenty of ways of avoid that, such as Orkos's Stone which replaces him with a clone.
I tried to link the Amulet deaging Castor from 70ish to 30 in a few secnds.
Alright then. But what about I said above? She only has one way to permakill.
Literally any one of her summons can hold him in place and he wouldnt be powerful enough to break out.
They need to hit him first, and he has plenty of ways of avoid that, such as Orkos's Stone which replaces him with a clone.
I tried to link the Amulet deaging Castor from 70ish to 30 in a few secnds.
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What are Kratos's reasons for winning again?
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Something he never does in canon, Time Travel.
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He did it two times.
Plus, I guess I will point out the bloodlusted in the OP again.
Plus, I guess I will point out the bloodlusted in the OP again.
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Kep tell me o.o
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One of the main reasons was his ability to AP drain, and also Petrification + resistance to Bayo's default hax
I was also typing up a huge wall of tert detailing why Kratos won, but I forgot it and ended up forgetting a lot of good points I'd made.
I was also typing up a huge wall of tert detailing why Kratos won, but I forgot it and ended up forgetting a lot of good points I'd made.
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@Kep BFR will defeat him without killing him, but what way can she permakill him?
And they cant keep going after him why...?
And they cant keep going after him why...?
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I mean he does it twice.
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Ive already given half a dozen ways for Bayo to avoid his AP drain
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Kratos's own BFR is in a higher scale & can do it two different ways
I've also pointed out Bayo's lack of ability to kill him for good without getting close half a dozen times.
Keep going after him, but still have trouble catching him.
I've also pointed out Bayo's lack of ability to kill him for good without getting close half a dozen times.
Keep going after him, but still have trouble catching him.
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And Bayo can come back from it, whereas Kratos cant come back from Bayo's
She has a range of several thousand kilometers, she doesnt need to get close to beat him
Speed is equalized
She has a range of several thousand kilometers, she doesnt need to get close to beat him
Speed is equalized
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And Bayo can come back from it, whereas Kratos cant come back from Bayo's
Time Travel makes it so he can.
She has a range of several thousand kilometers, she doesnt need to get close to beat him
Every hit she lands will be made useless by Resurrection. Not even Shuraba is guaranteed to work due to his resistance, and that's her best shot.
Speed is equalized
Speed buffs don't get equalized, as decided recently.
Time Travel makes it so he can.
She has a range of several thousand kilometers, she doesnt need to get close to beat him
Every hit she lands will be made useless by Resurrection. Not even Shuraba is guaranteed to work due to his resistance, and that's her best shot.
Speed is equalized
Speed buffs don't get equalized, as decided recently.
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@Kep How will time travel help him get out of an alternate universe?
Kratos doesnt have speed buffs though
Kratos doesnt have speed buffs though
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@Kep How will time travel help him get out of an alternate universe?
He's transporting his own body to another point in the past before the BFR happened.
The Temple of the Fates contains portals to other timelines before certain events happened, and Kratos does indeed possess that power.
He's transporting his own body to another point in the past before the BFR happened.
The Temple of the Fates contains portals to other timelines before certain events happened, and Kratos does indeed possess that power.
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Scans?
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Alright.
EDIT: Scans of what, though?
EDIT: Scans of what, though?
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Scans that he can do what youre claiming
And the Sloth swords would still work on him
And the Sloth swords would still work on him
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I take that as a no on both fronts?
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stillUnite My Rice said:
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Whats the vote count? I believe Bayo should be in the lead here
Would a match between a High 6-A and a 5-B even be added...?
Would a match between a High 6-A and a 5-B even be added...?
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interesting...
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I don't have the time to argue since I'm writing this from the bathroom, remind me later maybe
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How many of those votes are based on debunked arguments?
Numbers please
Numbers please
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