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Kep, you calc the laser dodging feat from Kinship, i'll pull up a clip of her dodging the satelitte laser
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Bayonetta Speed Revisions
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Assaltwaffle said:
Oh yeah, he does...
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Well, I can calc it, but you would likely need to ask the rest of the staff for input on it.
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Gladly
I may need to record the clip myself...meeeeh why does no one record bayonetta clips for optimal calcing purposes???
I may need to record the clip myself...meeeeh why does no one record bayonetta clips for optimal calcing purposes???
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Here is the calculation.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Bayonetta_dodges_a_beam_of_light
It will have to go through the rest of the calculation group, though, since it technically doesn't fit the criteria listed in the speed of light page.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Bayonetta_dodges_a_beam_of_light
It will have to go through the rest of the calculation group, though, since it technically doesn't fit the criteria listed in the speed of light page.
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Th downgrade was applied quite some time ago, right now we're discussing an upgrade
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The downgrade has already been applied
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@Mand21
And for the record, there is no one "smart guy". Everyone on the wiki has their own preferences, specialties, and things they're knowledgeable about. Antvasima provides input frequently due to his position and is one of the hardest working members here, but there are questions that he can't answer that I can answer (i.e. who was the final boss of Mega Man Battle Network 4 and why should you care feat-wise?) There are also questions people here can answer that I can't.
And for the record, there is no one "smart guy". Everyone on the wiki has their own preferences, specialties, and things they're knowledgeable about. Antvasima provides input frequently due to his position and is one of the hardest working members here, but there are questions that he can't answer that I can answer (i.e. who was the final boss of Mega Man Battle Network 4 and why should you care feat-wise?) There are also questions people here can answer that I can't.
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When it comes to management, you're probably one of the best admins by far, Rep.
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Consensus among calc group members is that the Bayonetta feat is too vague to use the real speed of light. Someone should ask Danka9 for input.
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How is it too vague...?
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You're gonna need something stating it as true light.
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According to everyone, nothing suggests the beam is the speed of light, and it also goes against the page, apparently.
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In what way does it go against the page?
And I can go through the hierarchy of laguna and find multiple instances of angels being stated as using light
And I can go through the hierarchy of laguna and find multiple instances of angels being stated as using light
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The page says you can only use it if there's proof it travels at the speed of light
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yes.Kepekley23 said:
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Here's what it says:
"Furthermore, there are a few criteria which show a beam is NOT real light:
* It is shown at different speeds in the same material
* It is tangible and can be interacted with physically by normal humans * They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above)
Please note that the opposite of these criteria do not prove a beam is at lightspeed, merely that it could be, should it meet the first list of criteria."
Last part.
"Furthermore, there are a few criteria which show a beam is NOT real light:
* It is shown at different speeds in the same material
* It is tangible and can be interacted with physically by normal humans * They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above)
Please note that the opposite of these criteria do not prove a beam is at lightspeed, merely that it could be, should it meet the first list of criteria."
Last part.
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@Kep Okay? The attack isn't tangible, does travel in a straight line, and always moves and the the same speed.
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I just watched it. What is the issue?
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"Please note that the opposite of these criteria do not prove a beam is at lightspeed, merely that it could be, should it meet the first list of criteria"
Also, it is tangible, since it can knock you down if you stand there instead of dodging.
Also, it is tangible, since it can knock you down if you stand there instead of dodging.
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Is that not the same as other attacks seen and described as pure light?
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Pretty sure that's against the rules.
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Pretty sure it isn't. Characters who have damaging beams can still be considered light.
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Can still be considered light if there are other things that suggest the beam is that fast. If there's nothing that suggests it and the beam is tangible, then it's proven it does not travel at the speed of light.
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I mean the tangible part is like the main part against it at this point correct?
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It is one of the main points, yes.
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Then it isn't an issue. Of course an attack in a video game has knockback. That is clearly game mechanics unless it is the only attack with that property.
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Let's not argue game mechanics for a feat that only happens in-game.
Also, that is still looking past the issue. The page states the mere fact it doesn't contradict the rules doesn't make it usable. And that is the reason why many, many, ma~ny franchises aren't scaled from light-based attacks.
Also, that is still looking past the issue. The page states the mere fact it doesn't contradict the rules doesn't make it usable. And that is the reason why many, many, ma~ny franchises aren't scaled from light-based attacks.
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I'll be home in a bit so expect clips
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Also, was Assaltwaffle's question about Jubileus's feat ever answered?
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Is true.Dragonmasterxyz said:
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They can be, but only if there are other criteria, such as a character stating the beam moves at the speed of light or it being made of photons.
Otherwise, only heat damage (which is what lasers do) and the likes are allowed.
Otherwise, only heat damage (which is what lasers do) and the likes are allowed.
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ehhhh...kinda agreeing with Weekly here though...
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What do you mean?
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I mean that I'm slightly agreeing with him that they shouldn't be downgraded. But I'm not going to change shit lol.
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They have already been downgraded, so it's kinda too late.
This should be closed, in fact.
This should be closed, in fact.
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