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One thing. If we were to accept Irenic, I would only put it as Combat and Reaction speed and not movement speed.
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Bayonetta revisions part 2
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Yes, I already mentioned above that Bayonetta and Jeanne and the like are only Massively FTL+ in terms of combat speed and reactions, not quite movement speed.
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That is what this revision is yes
Valiant_Abyss
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Could we write the exact profile wordings and justifications please? Additionally a list of characters who get this.
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No just with ractions and combat speed
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@Comicgyal Everyone should be retaining their previous normal movement speed. The MFTL (no plus) comes from a travel feat pulled off by weakened Jubileus that no angels should scale to. All that should be added here is the combat speed and reactions being MFTL+ with "higher with satistics amplification"
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HOLD IT! XD
Just one question, so angels that scale above Irenic in AP, while being far weaker than Bayonetta herself, are now scalling to Irenc's speed aswell ?
Just one question, so angels that scale above Irenic in AP, while being far weaker than Bayonetta herself, are now scalling to Irenc's speed aswell ?
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By nature of being first spheres (or in the audito's case, higher above them), they should at least have reactions comparable to Irenics speed. Among these first spheres includes Joy who can literally shapeshift into Bayo and keep up with her in combat. All these first spheres are retaining their original movement speed though. They're only scaling in combat speed and reactions.
At least that's what I thought.
At least that's what I thought.
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Well, going by Comic's post;
"To explain, Irenic is classified as a third sphere angel, but with first sphere halos. This means that Irenic has the spiritual existence, and power of a first sphere, since halos are representative of their power."
If that's the case, Irenic's speed could be special to the ones that actually reacted to him (And to who scale to said person), unless First Spheres powers can't be higher than other First Spheres powers
"To explain, Irenic is classified as a third sphere angel, but with first sphere halos. This means that Irenic has the spiritual existence, and power of a first sphere, since halos are representative of their power."
If that's the case, Irenic's speed could be special to the ones that actually reacted to him (And to who scale to said person), unless First Spheres powers can't be higher than other First Spheres powers
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I'm neutral on giving MFTL+ reactions to other first spheres but I firmly believe the Audito's should upscale. All first spheres with their own profiles are eventually going to have them deleted and merged into the Angels of Paradiso page either way though.
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If it's based on only because they are First Sphere, I believe a "Likely" should be better, they sure have the same rank, but that doesn't mean they are locked to the same powers unless there are statements or quotes saying or implying otherwise, which is very likely to be the case, anyway
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Well the speed is given because of the halos, inside of the hierarchy there are micro tiers inside of the spheres. For example, inside of the first sphere there are three tiers
Thrones (The weakest)
Cherubim (Weaker)
Seraphim (The strongest, which has glamor, gracious and glorious, and joy)
It’s not really about powers, we’re scaling them because Glamors spiritual existence is higher than Irenics, so by the hierarchy Glamor would be immensely superior to it.
Though I could add a likely if others believe it’s necessary
Thrones (The weakest)
Cherubim (Weaker)
Seraphim (The strongest, which has glamor, gracious and glorious, and joy)
It’s not really about powers, we’re scaling them because Glamors spiritual existence is higher than Irenics, so by the hierarchy Glamor would be immensely superior to it.
Though I could add a likely if others believe it’s necessary
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Do we know what of those three levels is Irenic's halo ?
Knowing that we can scale the Seraphim higher than him or at least equal, and the other leave a Likely, depends on his Halo's level
Knowing that we can scale the Seraphim higher than him or at least equal, and the other leave a Likely, depends on his Halo's level
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We don’t know, but we could make a pretty good assumption based off of what we know about the others.
In Irenics case, he is a one time boss, and usually carries weaker angels on top of it (but sometimes a joy)
Thrones: “Members of the First Sphere. They are inhuman in appearance and serve as mini-bosses. They are very rarely encountered in numbers greater than one at a time.”
Cherubim: “Specializing more in brutal strength and direct combat, members of the Cherubim rank are deadly combatants, so much so that even though they rarely appear alongside other types of Angels, they are still some of the most difficult encounters in either game.”
Seraphim: “The members of the Seraphim rank are some of the most dangerous enemies in the game and the highest-ranking angels of the First Sphere. Gameplay-wise they are frequently attributed by players as being even more difficult than the higher ranking Auditio.”
By these definitions it’s better to assume Irenic would classify as a Thrones, since only one appears at a time in the level. They are not brute force fighters like Cherubim, and do not have the skill set to be dangerous enemies like Joy, or Glamor. (Irenic only drops bombs as you fight it, so..)
if anything I would scale seraphim higher than him, while the others have a likely.
also just realized you said “hold it” because of your ace attorney profile photo..
In Irenics case, he is a one time boss, and usually carries weaker angels on top of it (but sometimes a joy)
Thrones: “Members of the First Sphere. They are inhuman in appearance and serve as mini-bosses. They are very rarely encountered in numbers greater than one at a time.”
Cherubim: “Specializing more in brutal strength and direct combat, members of the Cherubim rank are deadly combatants, so much so that even though they rarely appear alongside other types of Angels, they are still some of the most difficult encounters in either game.”
Seraphim: “The members of the Seraphim rank are some of the most dangerous enemies in the game and the highest-ranking angels of the First Sphere. Gameplay-wise they are frequently attributed by players as being even more difficult than the higher ranking Auditio.”
By these definitions it’s better to assume Irenic would classify as a Thrones, since only one appears at a time in the level. They are not brute force fighters like Cherubim, and do not have the skill set to be dangerous enemies like Joy, or Glamor. (Irenic only drops bombs as you fight it, so..)
if anything I would scale seraphim higher than him, while the others have a likely.
also just realized you said “hold it” because of your ace attorney profile photo..
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Yeap, and apparently I don't need any OBJECTION since I pretty much agree with you then, Seraphims are solid and the others have a Likely
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Okay so, I can’t really change anything.. since there’s the angels composite profile, and the three other profiles that scale higher. Since the composite page is being changed, I’m just gonna leave that as is for right now, everything else is accurate though.
I’m sure this thread can be closed now.
I’m sure this thread can be closed now.
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