Bayonetta Downgrades

[Rocker1189]

Sorry where do star level feats come from? All I see in profiles are comparable to one ting or the other I have not seen star level feats. Would be nice for someone to answer ty.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

I can't really find anything, either. All I really saw from any profile was one of the characters being Large Star level for casually destroying the moon.

 

[Rocker1189]

yeah, I looked at a few other threads, some says it all scales from another person being abke to control the Sun. I read the official wiki for Bayonetta, some character controls the sun and time and they all scale from that. Which makes 0 sense. We do not know how she controls the Sun at all. It could be through hax and as far as I know I have Bayonetta does not have anything close to star busting feats. If we are really gonna scale up from controlling the Sun, what about time she might as well be up to 3-A or 2-C. Then everyone up from there...

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Well, Fortitudo says something about being able to destroy the world with a small fraction of power, but that shouldn't warrant it, either.

 

[Rocker1189]

yeah, we have seen no feats.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

The controlling the Sun thing makes sense, though, if she's doing it with Telekinesis. But the Large Star level feats are flimsy. Using destroying the Moon as being Large Star level doesn't make sense to me. I don't think anything really implies anyone should be Large Star level, only "At least Star level".

 

[Rocker1189]

And even then I thought it was meant to be feats>statements with no context.

 

[Schnee_One]

There was a demon who was stated to control the sun, with said demon being complete fodder in the verse by comparison.

So yeah.

 

[Rocker1189]

yeah i know, if you read anything that has been said before you will see we discussed that and why that does not mean large star level

 

[Schnee_One]

When the gap between Baseline 4C and High 4C is only 2.2 times, that's Large Star.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I think it also just comes from scaling. If you are far above a guy who is 4-C, then you being High 4-C is extremely plausible especially when the gap isn't that large between the two.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I... Don't like the 4-C reason.

 

[Rocker1189]

My point is I do not think that it equates to 4-C in anyway. When we have no context about how she controls the Sun. In fact should she not be 2-C too? She controls time as well. We cant oick and choose what we like in a verse. No feats in Bayonetta inmply 4-C at all.

 

[Schnee_One]

I said the feats why.

I never said I agreed, as much as I like High 4C Bayo

 

[Rocker1189]

Alright, I think I will make a CRT thread, this makes 0 sense.

 

[Kaltias]

I can move this to the content revision board if you want

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Rocker

False Equivalency. Controlling time and and controlling the sun are two different things all together.

 

[Rocker1189]

ok ty. Will save me some time.

 

[Rocker1189]

@Dragonmaster how?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Just because I control time does not mean I control on a Multi-Universal level.

Controlling a star can only have a few interpretations.

 

[Rocker1189]

....Ok? I guess.

But anyway that is far from the point I am trying to make I simply dont believe anyone in Bayonetta is at a 4-C level and also their speed is massively above what it should be.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Either way, don't really care what happens here as I am sick of this being brought up.

 

[Rocker1189]

I mean there are good reasons it is being brought up, it makes no sense.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I still agree with Ever on the speed part though. Speed was brought up countless times, it gets extremely tiresome e with this stuff.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

An Absolutist King controls his kingdom, doesn't make him Country level.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

So basically, the idea here is that the demon lady "controlling the sun" isn't so much that she is physically controlling the sun, but that she merely has a more pedestrian sort of authority over it?

 

[Fankid]

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Here's the thread. Maybe talk to Weekly.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

But isn't there a huge difference between controlling a kingdom politically and controlling a celestial body? There are better example you could use.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Get Weekly here, I believe he made the upgrades.

 

[Fankid]

A discussion that should also be made is the tier they will be downgraded to, probably Planet to Dwarf Star level based on "however, it is said this is because a mere taste of their power is enough to destroy the world, devastating all its path"

 

[Kaltias]

The way the statement is worded (controlling time and the Sun) seems to imply that it is responsible for the movement. That's not 4-C tho

 

[ZERO7772]

IIRC most of the upgrades were done by weekly so yeah bring him here

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The thing is that "Controlling the sun" is vague as hell. What exactly does it entail.

Does the sun not exist without her? Does it not shine? Does she administer how much it shines? How much of the sun's energy does she have access to? All of it? Just the luminosity which is 6-A?

The sun doesn't give 4-C attacks, after all.

 

[Therefir]

Moving the sun is 4-B as far as I know.

 

[Fankid]

So what's your downgraded tier everyone? That's definitley something that should be discussed.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The actual real-life sun moves at such a slow speed that it really isn't 4-B.

 

[ZERO7772]

didn't they had clear 5-B feats?

 

[Schnee_One]

Back to 5A for blowing up Jupiter.

 

[Fankid]

I should watch the full game play tomorrow. A few of us should.

 

[ZERO7772]

Back to 5A for blowing up Jupiter.

Ah right it was 5-A