Battle Of Two Gods! Kusuo Saiki Vs Anos Voldigoad!

[Georredannea15]

this is incorrect we don't allow NLF on all abilities not just on those you mentioned
the same way we assume someone with Info type 2 negating Concept type 2 without feats.
ATM what i want to know is the scale of saiki plot manipulation since it covers the entirety of his story which I've only saw some few scenes and I'm not sure it has feats of actually dabbling with abstract concepts except time travel and timeline shenanigans.
with this question as well at what level is his plot hax atm. since its possible for plot hax to only be 3D for not having proof if being above even time as shown in this profile and argued by DonttalkTD

I don't mind that it's 3-D. Because Anos has no resistance to plot, and having 4-D resistances doesn't mean resisting a 3-D plot. I don't know much about Saiki's plot manip, but if he can use it in battle and he attacks first, it will result in his victory. But IDC Lmao. I may change my vote depending on the situation

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

The Plot Hax is likely 4D. It is able to effect the entire Novel which is 2-C cosmology and it comes from Psy energy which is 4D

the old man also affects the entire novel as the entire story is just him writing it and one of the character even talked with him to continue writing the story yet it cannot be argued to be 4D without feats and is on likely/possibly rating.
eitherway I'll check that Psy Energy if its 4D since even that is on possibly rating just like the old man
and since we are using 5-A keys idk if that's even allowed as well

OP is Saiki assumed to have hax at 2-C? since its a possibly rating

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I don't mind that it's 3-D. Because Anos has no resistance to plot, and having 4-D resistances doesn't mean resisting a 3-D plot. I don't know much about Saiki's plot manip, but if he can use it in battle and he attacks first, it will result in his victory. But IDC Lmao. I may change my vote depending on the situation

it doesn't result to victory but it would indeed limit things anos can do that is within its scope.
because without feat it cannot negate things like MGR or HGR or concept type 3
that's why i want to know the scale of Saiki's plot hax and its important

 

[Edutyn]

the old man also affects the entire novel as the entire story is just him writing it and one of the character even talked with him to continue writing the story yet it cannot be argued to be 4D without feats and is on likely/possibly rating.
eitherway I'll check that Psy Energy if its 4D since even that is on possibly rating just like the old man
and since we are using 5-A keys idk if that's even allowed as well

OP is Saiki assumed to have hax at 2-C? since its a possibly rating

The 2-C hax is from Psy Energy which includes: Space-Time Manipulation, and Energy Manipulation.
However, Plot Manip is in its first key and scales to the novel containing Psy Energy.

I hope I have made myself clear

 

[SeijiSetto]

His powernull is also limited to sight

i know it's been spoken about but for the record, you did not read the profile properly
he has power null in his regular abilities (which describes the anti-magic)
he has a separate tabber for abilities granted by the Magic Eyes, and power null is in there too

also idk anything about Anos but if his RE stops anything from working on him twice wouldn't that mean saiki has to literally one-shot erase him or he's ******?
anos also apparently has interdimensional magic range so the 1000km starting distance is virtually irrelevant for both

 

[Edutyn]

However, Plot Manip is in its first key and scales to the novel containing Psy Energy.

and the Sight Energy, which is the same

 

[ShionAH]

i know it's been spoken about but for the record, you did not read the profile properly
he has power null in his regular abilities (which describes the anti-magic)
he has a separate tabber for abilities granted by the Magic Eyes, and power null is in there too

The Powernull he was talking about (Magic Eye) is limited to sight

also idk anything about Anos but if his RE stops anything from working on him twice wouldn't that mean saiki has to literally one-shot erase him or he's ******?

RE only works on the things it has shown to work on stated by @EldemadeDityjon himself. So Saiki can spam his Petrification

anos also apparently has interdimensional magic range so the 1000km starting distance is virtually irrelevant for both

Interdimensional does not cover that I believe. It just means you can attack other universes but it does not specifically mean you can attack anywhere in a single universe

 

[ShionAH]

The Plot Hax is likely 4D since it comes from Psy Energy which is 4D. I think thats the best intereption

Also Grace

 

[Edutyn]

The Plot Hax is likely 4D since it comes from Psy Energy which is 4D. I think thats the best intereption

And from the Sight Energy

 

[Edutyn]

So this can be added?

 

[Orioreeem]

If it comes from psy energy thencplot hax is restriced as well going by the op

 

[ShionAH]

So this can be added?

48 hours

If it comes from psy energy thencplot hax is restriced as well going by the op

The 2-C usage is restricted.

 

[Orioreeem]

It just says psy eneegy is blocked not what usage it is. Match can't be added because of restrictions

 

[Edutyn]

It just says psy eneegy is blocked not what usage it is. Match can't be added because of restrictions

<Venuzdonoa> is Standard Equipment so it can be restricted, I blocked Psy Energy so there would be no confusion about Saiki's tier, plus it's marked as "possibly" so it shouldn't matter much.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Hmm, seems like y'all are giving my boi trouble.

Regarding plot manipulation, it is limited to only what it has been shown to do. Doesn't matter if Saiki wrote his story, his plot manipulation will be limited to things that happens in the story and cannot go above that.

Now, voting Anos because;

1. This is an AP stomp, one love tap and Saiki is dead.
2. He speed blitzes. Anos passively gets stronger and faster.
3. Range: The 1000km range means nothing. Anos instantly burned down his entire Country (Dilhade). The capital of said country has a calculated size of over 2000km. <Ygg neas> transcends space and gives the user the entire universe in the palm of their hand so as soon as the fight starts Saiki is already in Anos grasp so is his concept.
4. Saiki's telepathy, BFR is useless. Anti-magic prevents mind reading and can be used to block telepathy.
5. Power null: His eyes power null were being downplayed because it's limited to sight. Anos eyes can easily see something as small as a human from 10km away and he can still magnify his vision on a scale of 1:1e+9.
6. Saiki does not resist any of his abilities as they're too layered. The fire manipulation for example, <Gresde> the 3rd ranked fire spell can instantly melt steel, <Griad> is hotter than that, <Jio Graze> is a miniature sun that can vaporize everything it touches.
7. Danmaku: I've already mentioned his range. Anos can rain attacks on him from any distance, can summon humdreds of several kilometer wide meteors to fall on him, if I jump all the way to Vol. 8, he could smack him with a planet sized castle.
8. Powernull again: The eyes of destruction are capable of nullifying the effects of attacks used on him
9. Passives: Saiki gets hit with fear manipulation that works on those with immunity, sleep manipulation & death manipulation just by sensing Anos presence
10. Reactive Evolution: Though his profile says the same ability won't work on him twice, Anos also says it doesn't mean it will work the first time either so instant adaptation
11. Intelligence: This man will whip out any new spell from further on in his story if he damn well pleases.

There might still be more, if you doubt anything I said then just ask for scans.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Ask DT or Ultima you will get you are completely wrong on this one. Need seperate feats for even Plot Manipulation having enough potency to work on that you are just spamming NLF.

I don't know about the others, but type 4 acausality doesn't force defenses against plo hax.

But type 5 provides, according to glass.

This fight strikes me as another fight I did with a plot hax character that was described "Win episodes as long as your fans demand it/the animator can redraw the episode to save it from death"

I thought it would be a stomp, but depending on how the hax plot is described and his accomplishments, it pretty much doesn't matter much (and it didn't matter in this fight)

The glass commented on it too. If you want to take a look to see the plot applications, although it has nothing to do with this fight.

 

[Georredannea15]

Hmm, seems like y'all are giving my boi trouble.

Regarding plot manipulation, it is limited to only what it has been shown to do. Doesn't matter if Saiki wrote his story, his plot manipulation will be limited to things that happens in the story and cannot go above that.

Now, voting Anos because;

1. This is an AP stomp, one love tap and Saiki is dead.
2. He speed blitzes. Anos passively gets stronger and faster.
3. Range: The 1000km range means nothing. Anos instantly burned down his entire Country (Dilhade). The capital of said country has a calculated size of over 2000km. <Ygg neas> transcends space and gives the user the entire universe in the palm of their hand so as soon as the fight starts Saiki is already in Anos grasp so is his concept.
4. Saiki's telepathy, BFR is useless. Anti-magic prevents mind reading and can be used to block telepathy.
5. Power null: His eyes power null were being downplayed because it's limited to sight. Anos eyes can easily see something as small as a human from 10km away and he can still magnify his vision on a scale of 1:1e+9.
6. Saiki does not resist any of his abilities as they're too layered. The fire manipulation for example, <Gresde> the 3rd ranked fire spell can instantly melt steel, <Griad> is hotter than that, <Jio Graze> is a miniature sun that can vaporize everything it touches.
7. Danmaku: I've already mentioned his range. Anos can rain attacks on him from any distance, can summon humdreds of several kilometer wide meteors to fall on him, if I jump all the way to Vol. 8, he could smack him with a planet sized castle.
8. Powernull again: The eyes of destruction are capable of nullifying the effects of attacks used on him
9. Passives: Saiki gets hit with fear manipulation that works on those with immunity, sleep manipulation & death manipulation just by sensing Anos presence
10. Reactive Evolution: Though his profile says the same ability won't work on him twice, Anos also says it doesn't mean it will work the first time either so instant adaptation
11. Intelligence: This man will whip out any new spell from further on in his story if he damn well pleases.

There might still be more, if you doubt anything I said then just ask for scans.

In fact, neither of them can resist the other's attacks. The only question is, "Who will strike first?"

If Saiki attacks first, all of Anos's abilities are restricted and he is now part of Saiki's story, but if Anos attacks first, Saiki can't resist some of Anos's attacks, so he disappears before he can use the plot hax.

But to put it bluntly, Plot hax becomes more advantageous here. Also, since this is a "one-shot" battle, any adaptation or passively gets stronger and faster will not work here.

 

[Georredannea15]

I don't know about the others, but type 4 acausality doesn't force defenses against plo hax.

But type 5 provides, according to glass.

This fight strikes me as another fight I did with a plot hax character that was described "Win episodes as long as your fans demand it/the animator can redraw the episode to save it from death"

I thought it would be a stomp, but depending on how the hax plot is described and his accomplishments, it pretty much doesn't matter much (and it didn't matter in this fight)

The glass commented on it too. If you want to take a look to see the plot applications, although it has nothing to do with this fight.

That's wrong

As DT says here, Aca4 can resist plot hax(ofc not always), and for this to happen, there must be no feat that plot hax works against aca4 beings.

Personally I was defending this in many vs threads and arguing that existence haxs like aca4 can resist plot hax, Glass and others didn't support it but DT supported me Lmao

 

[Phsccarvalho]

That's wrong

As DT says here, Aca4 can resist plot hax(ofc not always), and for this to happen, there must be no feat that plot hax works against aca4 beings.

Personally I was defending this in many vs threads and arguing that existence haxs like aca4 can resist plot hax, Glass and others didn't support it but DT supported me Lmao

Just having type 4 acausality doesn't give you defense to plot hax, unless the character's type 4 acausality is involving plot hax.

 

[Tatsumi504]

In fact, neither of them can resist the other's attacks. The only question is, "Who will strike first?"

If Saiki attacks first, all of Anos's abilities are restricted and he is now part of Saiki's story, but if Anos attacks first, Saiki can't resist some of Anos's attacks, so he disappears before he can use the plot hax.

But to put it bluntly, Plot hax becomes more advantageous here. Also, since this is a "one-shot" battle, any adaptation or passively gets stronger and faster will not work here.

Where did Saiki use plot hax to disable anyone's powers in his story? Scratch that, where has he used it in character and in combat?

Anos strikes first+ has passives

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I don't know about the others, but type 4 acausality doesn't force defenses against plo hax.

But type 5 provides, according to glass.

This fight strikes me as another fight I did with a plot hax character that was described "Win episodes as long as your fans demand it/the animator can redraw the episode to save it from death"

I thought it would be a stomp, but depending on how the hax plot is described and his accomplishments, it pretty much doesn't matter much (and it didn't matter in this fight)

The glass commented on it too. If you want to take a look to see the plot applications, although it has nothing to do with this fight.

I would consider DT and Ultima words over Glass. Knowing how Glassman Contradicts with his own words.

with this question as well at what level is his plot hax atm. since its possible for plot hax to only be 3D for not having proof if being above even time as shown in this profile and argued by DonttalkTD

more arguments on how plot hax without feats of affecting abstracts will only affect the physical aspect of things and cannot be argued to affect abstracts

This is DT response ^^

In fact, neither of them can resist the other's attacks. The only question is, "Who will strike first?"

If Saiki attacks first, all of Anos's abilities are restricted and he is now part of Saiki's story, but if Anos attacks first, Saiki can't resist some of Anos's attacks, so he disappears before he can use the plot hax.

But to put it bluntly, Plot hax becomes more advantageous here. Also, since this is a "one-shot" battle, any adaptation or passively gets stronger and faster will not work here.

Check DT response above.

"Saiki makes Anos as one of his characters in his story." Does he even have feats for that?

Hmm, seems like y'all are giving my boi trouble.

Regarding plot manipulation, it is limited to only what it has been shown to do. Doesn't matter if Saiki wrote his story, his plot manipulation will be limited to things that happens in the story and cannot go above that.

Now, voting Anos because;

1. This is an AP stomp, one love tap and Saiki is dead.
2. He speed blitzes. Anos passively gets stronger and faster.
3. Range: The 1000km range means nothing. Anos instantly burned down his entire Country (Dilhade). The capital of said country has a calculated size of over 2000km. <Ygg neas> transcends space and gives the user the entire universe in the palm of their hand so as soon as the fight starts Saiki is already in Anos grasp so is his concept.
4. Saiki's telepathy, BFR is useless. Anti-magic prevents mind reading and can be used to block telepathy.
5. Power null: His eyes power null were being downplayed because it's limited to sight. Anos eyes can easily see something as small as a human from 10km away and he can still magnify his vision on a scale of 1:1e+9.
6. Saiki does not resist any of his abilities as they're too layered. The fire manipulation for example, <Gresde> the 3rd ranked fire spell can instantly melt steel, <Griad> is hotter than that, <Jio Graze> is a miniature sun that can vaporize everything it touches.
7. Danmaku: I've already mentioned his range. Anos can rain attacks on him from any distance, can summon humdreds of several kilometer wide meteors to fall on him, if I jump all the way to Vol. 8, he could smack him with a planet sized castle.
8. Powernull again: The eyes of destruction are capable of nullifying the effects of attacks used on him
9. Passives: Saiki gets hit with fear manipulation that works on those with immunity, sleep manipulation & death manipulation just by sensing Anos presence
10. Reactive Evolution: Though his profile says the same ability won't work on him twice, Anos also says it doesn't mean it will work the first time either so instant adaptation
11. Intelligence: This man will whip out any new spell from further on in his story if he damn well pleases.

There might still be more, if you doubt anything I said then just ask for scans.

<Venuzdonoa> is Standard Equipment so it can be restricted, I blocked Psy Energy so there would be no confusion about Saiki's tier, plus it's marked as "possibly" so it shouldn't matter much.

Now that @TheGreatJedi13 posted links for plot manipulation limitations and Tatsumi commented put my Vote to Anos. Already see Bs FRA votes for Saiki here can't be helped i guess.

 

[Georredannea15]

Where did Saiki use plot hax to disable anyone's powers in his story? Scratch that, where has he used it in character and in combat?

A plot hax who can write manga and novel stories will do it. Because he can also adjust the power system in this story. No additional feat is required for these works. (Also, thanks to psy energy, plot hax can be 4-D, but I leave this issue to Shion)

Take a look at the profile anyway, it's more healty

Anos strikes first+ has passives

What are the passives and how do they work?

 

[ShionAH]

Where did Saiki use plot hax to disable anyone's powers in his story? Scratch that, where has he used it in character and in combat?

First of all Plot Manipulation is more powerful then you guys think. If he can control the story he can do most stuff we list, he used it in his novels and made it so he wins against his other version. Saki just plot haxes and wins

Anos strikes first+ has passives

What a good way to ignore the several comments of mine above . Holy ******* shit I dont want to debate with Anos supporters anymore, half of you make stuff up, twist words, add stuff suddenly damn…

 

[Georredannea15]

Just having type 4 acausality doesn't give you defense to plot hax, unless the character's type 4 acausality is involving plot hax.

Yeah, there's that, too. But not only that, if plot hax does not affect aca4 beings, it is not assumed that plot hax will affect aca4 beings in vs threads. Only some things are assumed.

 

[ShionAH]

A plot hax who can write manga and novel stories will do it. Because he can also adjust the power system in this story. No additional feat is required for these works. (Also, thanks to psy energy, plot hax can be 4-D, but I leave this issue to Shion)

Take a look at the profile anyway, it's more healty

What are the passives and how do they work?

Anos starts with Conceptual Attacks that are Projectiles/Melee while Saiki passively mind reads precogs and then plot haxes/bfrs/petrifies

 

[ShionAH]

Already see Bs FRA votes for Saiki here can't be helped i guess.

Sure buddy. I am not the one twisting peoples words on discord.

 

[Georredannea15]

Anos starts with Conceptual Attacks that are Projectiles/Melee while Saiki passively mind reads precogs and then plot haxes/bfrs/petrifies

Hmmm, so you're saying that he analyses his opponent and makes a quick attack plan accordingly.

Not as good as Kratos, but it'll do man

 

[ShionAH]

Hmmm, so you're saying that he analyses his opponent and makes a quick attack plan accordingly.

Not as good as Kratos, but it'll do man

He aıtomatically knows the future so yeah he will just Plot Hax

Ofc Kratos is a whole another level

 

[BreezeHM]

This is the most NLF plot hax I've ever seen.
I also have a problem with the Low 2-C rating, why is merging the boundaries between Universes counted as Low 2-C? Have these universes been confirmed to be seperate Space-Times?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Sure buddy. I am not the one twisting peoples words on discord.

Sure.

TheGreatJedi13 said:

with this question as well at what level is his plot hax atm. since its possible for plot hax to only be 3D for not having proof if being above even time as shown in this profile and argued by DonttalkTD

more arguments on how plot hax without feats of affecting abstracts will only affect the physical aspect of things and cannot be argued to affect abstracts

This is the most NLF plot hax I've ever seen.
I also have a problem with the Low 2-C rating, why is merging the boundaries between Universes counted as Low 2-C? Have these universes been confirmed to be seperate Space-Times?

Yeah the one who voting for Saiki clearly ignoring DT response.

 

[Georredannea15]

This is the most NLF plot hax I've ever seen.
I also have a problem with the Low 2-C rating, why is merging the boundaries between Universes counted as Low 2-C? Have these universes been confirmed to be seperate Space-Times?

The cosmology is 2-C. Also in plot haxs, things like negating the power are assumed by the nature of the plot hax.

 

[Georredannea15]

He aıtomatically knows the future so yeah he will just Plot Hax

Even though I'm voting for Saiki, Anos looks very threatening.

Ofc Kratos is a whole another level

That man is a master of the first strike.

 

[ShionAH]

Sure.

Glad you admitted that. I respect that.

Yeah the one who voting for Saiki clearly ignoring DT response.

No he is not. Jedi in discord told me he was outdated on Anos stuff so he thought he was still Type 1 Concept.

 

[ShionAH]

Even though I'm voting for Saiki, Anos looks very threatening..

This match is either a Saiki W or a Incon I believe.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Glad you admitted that. I respect that.

You should read my message again

No he is not. Jedi in discord told me he was outdated on Anos stuff so he thought he was still Type 1 Concept.

That's Jedi message in this thread and it's not outdated.

 

[Tatsumi504]

First of all Plot Manipulation is more powerful then you guys think.

It is limited to what he has done in his story

he used it in his novels and made it so he wins against his other version.

Proof

What a good way to ignore the several comments of mine above . Holy ******* shit I dont want to debate with Anos supporters anymore, half of you make stuff up, twist words, add stuff suddenly damn…

I don't wish to be here either so...besides, what did you say above?

Anos starts with Conceptual Attacks that are Projectiles/Melee while Saiki passively mind reads precogs and then plot haxes/bfrs/petrifies

Anos doesn't start with melee attacks. They're 1000km away so he's starting with ranged attacks. Anti-magic prevents mind reading, Anos has fought against characters with precognition.

Show where he uses plot hax in character, either way, said plot hax is not doing anything beyond what has been shown in his story

 

[ShionAH]

You should read my message again

You still admitted to it 🗣

That's Jedi message in this thread and it's not outdated.

Jedi literally thought Anos was Type 1 Concept. What are you even saying

 

[Tatsumi504]

The cosmology is 2-C. Also in plot haxs, things like negating the power are assumed by the nature of the plot hax.

No, it's not assumed. It needs feats of what has been shown. His plot hax comes from writing his story so he's limited to things done in the story

 

[ShionAH]

It is limited to what he has done in his story

Which is to control the entirety of it and write the whole damn thing. The feat is the entire Novel and Manga

Proof

Novel

I don't wish to be here either so...besides, what did you say above?

I am very certain you have the ability to see? Am I wrong?

Anos doesn't start with melee attacks. They're 1000km away so he's starting with ranged attacks.

The other guy said otherwise

Anti-magic prevents mind reading,

Precog just helps him then

Anos has fought against characters with precognition.

The same comment was replied above.

Show where he uses plot hax in character,

I am about to shoot myself

either way, said plot hax is not doing anything beyond what has been shown in his story

Which is controlling the entire story and writing the plot itself in the metafictional way. Anos has 0 Resistance towards this

 

[BreezeHM]

The cosmology is 2-C. Also in plot haxs, things like negating the power are assumed by the nature of the plot hax.

Can you explain? Because just off what it says in the profile, he's merging 3D Spaces.