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Battle for Strongest Non-Smurf: Iihiko vs Methuselah
- Thread starter Oblivion_Of_The_Endless
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Iihiko can recognize darkness and night and thus gets mindhaxed
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Meth just stands there and Iihiko gets mindhaxed.
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Couldn't wait until the Iihiko revisions were done could ya?
@Paul I told you. Him recognizing night, doesn't mean much, as he recognizes a lot of things yet they don't always work. Words, punches, kicks, etc they all are things he recognizes yet they don't work.
So the whole debate here is Meths' mind hax right? So the point is how it works, there is a small chance it might bypass his immunity so i believe it's worth arguing.
Right now i don't think it can because based on his profile "He is made out of darkness, and as such by looking or hearing about him you get the entire fear of darkness everyone has ever experiences shoved into your mind". This won't work, for 2 reasons:
1. This fear is not the type that forces recognition. This is literally just basic mind hax, puttng the fear of 100 billion minds on your mind. Rly no different from something like Nihilus, except this is just the fear from the dark.
2. From what i understand is not caused because people fear Methuselah, but because "other people" have feared the dark, and as such even someone who doesn't fear the dark gets mindhaxed.
^^ This type of fear won't work. The only type of fear that will work is something like Ikki Kurogane even though it's on a much smaller case it comes from him being just generally scary to look at, and it's your brain that "wants" to experience fear in a sense, and not because you're having 100 billion madnesses shoved into you.
Mind hax gets negged.
@Paul I told you. Him recognizing night, doesn't mean much, as he recognizes a lot of things yet they don't always work. Words, punches, kicks, etc they all are things he recognizes yet they don't work.
So the whole debate here is Meths' mind hax right? So the point is how it works, there is a small chance it might bypass his immunity so i believe it's worth arguing.
Right now i don't think it can because based on his profile "He is made out of darkness, and as such by looking or hearing about him you get the entire fear of darkness everyone has ever experiences shoved into your mind". This won't work, for 2 reasons:
1. This fear is not the type that forces recognition. This is literally just basic mind hax, puttng the fear of 100 billion minds on your mind. Rly no different from something like Nihilus, except this is just the fear from the dark.
2. From what i understand is not caused because people fear Methuselah, but because "other people" have feared the dark, and as such even someone who doesn't fear the dark gets mindhaxed.
^^ This type of fear won't work. The only type of fear that will work is something like Ikki Kurogane even though it's on a much smaller case it comes from him being just generally scary to look at, and it's your brain that "wants" to experience fear in a sense, and not because you're having 100 billion madnesses shoved into you.
Mind hax gets negged.
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Except that's not true.
The things Iihiko doesn't recognize just don't count as attacks. Punches that don't work on him aren't thought of as punches etc.
Night would be recognized as night and he would be mindhaxed
The things Iihiko doesn't recognize just don't count as attacks. Punches that don't work on him aren't thought of as punches etc.
Night would be recognized as night and he would be mindhaxed
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False. Meth's mind hax doesn't come from recognizing the night. It literally just shoves 100 billion minds in you. Recognizing night means jack to Meth, it will work, whether you recognize it or not. Meth being night doesn't make his mind hax come from "recognizing night". If it did work like that it would only work on those that recognize night, or those who fear it.
Iihiko may recognize that night exists. Doesn't mean he will recognize that night now somehow shoves 100 billion basic madnesses on him.
Iihko recognizes words exist (as medaka stated). But he doesn't recognize that Oudo speaking will manipulate his actions, he does still hear Oudo.
Iihiko recognizes punches and kicks (which is why Medaka's punch worked), but he doesn't recognize it as an attack, or better put it, he doesn't recognize that it will deal any damage, that's why he can take the attack, but not the damage.
Iihiko may recognize that night exists. Doesn't mean he will recognize that night now somehow shoves 100 billion basic madnesses on him.
Iihko recognizes words exist (as medaka stated). But he doesn't recognize that Oudo speaking will manipulate his actions, he does still hear Oudo.
Iihiko recognizes punches and kicks (which is why Medaka's punch worked), but he doesn't recognize it as an attack, or better put it, he doesn't recognize that it will deal any damage, that's why he can take the attack, but not the damage.
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You know what screw this:https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3025924
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>mind hax
>neg
>HOWWWWW?W??? not recognizing it doesn't mean you neg it like...when. And well BFR is still smth
>neg
>HOWWWWW?W??? not recognizing it doesn't mean you neg it like...when. And well BFR is still smth
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Ya trying to flex memes with your newly aquired Medaka knowledge? xDTISSG7Redgrave said:
BFR will be recognized somehow?
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i don't know how you don't recognize mind hax really.
regardless the BFR is through making like 500k barriers that trap his enemies in and btw they can reflect the attack back at the opponent so...pretty much he can make lihiko hit himself which...is gonna suck. there is also attacking from lihiko's shadow. Oh even if he could break them like machina he will be thrown out of the battlefield does so...there is that
regardless the BFR is through making like 500k barriers that trap his enemies in and btw they can reflect the attack back at the opponent so...pretty much he can make lihiko hit himself which...is gonna suck. there is also attacking from lihiko's shadow. Oh even if he could break them like machina he will be thrown out of the battlefield does so...there is that
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>Not recognize Mind hax
Tell that to Medaka and Ajimu (the most basic example is not recognizing oudo's abnormality, which is mind hax).
>BFR with tons of layers that reflect attacks.
Layers that reflect attacks, oh you mean like Encounter, which you know was not recognized by Iihiko as Medaka stated they didn't work.
Tell that to Medaka and Ajimu (the most basic example is not recognizing oudo's abnormality, which is mind hax).
>BFR with tons of layers that reflect attacks.
Layers that reflect attacks, oh you mean like Encounter, which you know was not recognized by Iihiko as Medaka stated they didn't work.
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Oudo's abnormality is not mindhax
It manipulates the electrical signals in your brain
It manipulates the electrical signals in your brain
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that is electric signals meth has none
and even then he will likely get bfr'ed if worst comes to worst. Meth is willing to do that
and even then he will likely get bfr'ed if worst comes to worst. Meth is willing to do that
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@Paul
Tell that to when he brainwashed Medaka.
Also bookmaker was stated that it did not work on Iihiko.
@Tiss
Well, BFR with layers of AR won't work. Cus he will just tear through them like he did to Encounter (according to Medaka).
Tell that to when he brainwashed Medaka.
Also bookmaker was stated that it did not work on Iihiko.
@Tiss
Well, BFR with layers of AR won't work. Cus he will just tear through them like he did to Encounter (according to Medaka).
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He brainwashed her by interfering with her electrical signals
All his powers work like that
Bookmaker isn't mkndhax
All his powers work like that
Bookmaker isn't mkndhax
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Still mind hax.Paul Frank said:
Getting the IQ of your opponent down is mind hax.
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And the best part, it's not even me that's ignoring that. Everyone else is doing the same, i wonder why's that.
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@Paul & Tiss There is also the fact that i still gotta hear an argument for why Meth's mind hax forces recognition when it's not based on recognizing night or fearing it.
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I also failing to see if lihiko can power null mind hax given how he has no feat resisting it anyway and also a NLF on lihiko's part.
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Tbh from what I know IF Iihiko can neg the Mind Hax then this is Incon as Iihiko has no way to deal with Meths various defenses, as for if he can neg Mind Hax, Oudo's abnormality is a very specific "Mind Hax" (If its even considered as such) and is VERY different from Meths Mind Hax so I dont think it would really scale if it's considered Mind Hax.
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Meth does have other abilities aside from mind hax like attack reflection though which is listed here: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Immortality (Types 1, 3 and 8, will continue to exist and regenerate so long as the concept of darkness exists), Regenerationn (Mid-Godly), Reality Warping, Conceptual Manipulation (His attacks are more abstract in nature as they are created from him due to humanity's ideas about darkness), Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation (Can accelerate time at a rate of hundreds of thousands to billions of years per second), Mind Manipulation (Just looking, hearing or reading about his heritage can cause others to go into madness, to the point that they and their future generations are cursed with madness of his existence. His mere presence takes the primal fear of darkness since the Big Bang over the course of the decillions of universes Mercurius has reset up to the year 1944 and shunts it into his opponent's mind, causing them to either go insane, kill themselves, or outright die due to the sudden shock of having all the mental fears implanted into them), Soul Manipulation (Can directly attack the soul, and can cause it to reach its "ending point" by accelerating time), Non-Corporeal (His true body is made up of all darkness in the world and cannot be harmed by any physical attacks nor is it of any consequence to him as he can simply reform from another spot instantly), Enhanced Senses (Can feel anything under the darkness), Extrasensory Perception, Darkness Manipulation and immunity to it (Controls everything that is darkness and is related to it in the world; ranging from nightzones to the darkness in mans heart and even that of darkness created by others. Can also cause darkness to occur in places where night has not been created with just his mere movement, turning the area he was previously at to morning and the next to night time. It also so dense that those with enhanced senses and extrasensory Perception cannot see through it), Flight, Abstract Existence (Type 1; Is darkness itself, born and shaped by humanity thoughts of it and is made of negative concepts that are associated with darkness such as death, war, diseases and much more. His being is composed of decillions amount of mystery of nights), Shapeshifting (Can take the form of anything that is related to darkness such as a nachzehrer, vampire, ghouls, etc.), Barrier Creation, Attack Reflection (Can redirect attacks back to his enemies through their shadows), Necromancy (Can infuse corpses with his mystery, allowing him to manipulate them), possesses incredible willpower (Endured living for many years while his fellow gods died over time due to the lack of mystery surrounding them. Kept on living even after Reinhard attacked him with his Longinuslanze through sheer willpower albeit lost all of the mystery of his being and thus his power and immortality), Resistance to Magic, Mental, Spatial, Temporal and Conceptual attacks (To destroy him requires destruction of all mystery of the nights that composes his existence. Just a single mystery is equal in density to half of the planet and he's made of decillions to it and even more due to Mercurius time loops), Immunity to Soul Manipulation due to lacking a soul and making him immune to the Holy Relics of all members of the LDO, Vampirism, Light and Matter Absorption, Energy Manipulation, Emotional Manipulation
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I wonder if this would work,
"Nihil Difficile Amanti (Nothing Is Difficult For a Lover): Methuselah summons a pentagram that rotates and speeds up time in the surrounding area, starting at a rate of thousands of years at its initial activation to quickly accelerate at hundreds of billions of years per second, essentially reducing everything, including souls, to dust. This was potent enough to where Methuselah was destroying the Legion (who would have perished for good were it not for Reinhard's Briah constantly reviving them) and various WW2 machinery to dust, and even left a sizable crack on Reinhard's face though the latter quickly regenerated from it. The ability is also kept permanently active around him, allowing him to continue using his other abilities in battle."
"Nihil Difficile Amanti (Nothing Is Difficult For a Lover): Methuselah summons a pentagram that rotates and speeds up time in the surrounding area, starting at a rate of thousands of years at its initial activation to quickly accelerate at hundreds of billions of years per second, essentially reducing everything, including souls, to dust. This was potent enough to where Methuselah was destroying the Legion (who would have perished for good were it not for Reinhard's Briah constantly reviving them) and various WW2 machinery to dust, and even left a sizable crack on Reinhard's face though the latter quickly regenerated from it. The ability is also kept permanently active around him, allowing him to continue using his other abilities in battle."
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Well Iihko does age, thats why he keeps needing to switch bodies.
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@Psycho I did check regarding Ajimu's mind hax and apparently it seems to be through physical contact though as every instance of her involving physical contact as well.
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Ok so if thats the case the Mind Hax that Iihiko has Negged is totally different and not even on the same level as Methuselahs.
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Yes, lihiko negating mind hax seems to be entirely different from what Meth has demonstrated though so yeah not sure if the power null will be applied anyway given the NLF is still in effect.PsychoWarper said:
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Can someone explain what Iihiko's ability is?
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From Iihiko's page for this one:Warren Valion said:
- Irreversible Destruction: Any damage Iihiko deals to the world does not heal; Shiranui states he was a man born to destroy the world. Whether natural or skill based, Iihiko's actions cannot be recovered from. That includes even unconventional ways of healing such as Kumagawa's All Fiction. However, the true horror of this ability manifests itself in the defensive application; the stronger an attack used against him, the further the attack itself will be "broken", and never return to normal. An arm used to punch him will be permanently broken, and superpowers will often become unusable. He will also no longer recognize any ability or technique previously used against him as an attack, so even if the power is somehow still functional after being used on him, it will not effect him anyway. However, if Iihiko is defeated, then the damage will become reparable. This ability is ludicrously hard to define by a tier.
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But anyway, I not sure if this matchup will be considered valid or not as this is sounding like a mistmatch against Iihiko or maybe vice versa (Although the former sound more likely) and NLF on Iihiko's part given the fact as that is the only ability that he has in his arsenal pretty much.Warren Valion said:
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The Causality said:
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Paul Frank said:
