Battle for #2 Strongest High 2-A: LoP vs Canopus

[Yobo_Blue]

Finally, a excuse to have a 5-D match

Canopus vs The Lady of Pain (Dungeons and Dragons)

SBA

Who wins?

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

what can canopus do against LOP?Both resist each others powers

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Canopus can bypass those resistances with various abilities and one shot via The Four Prime Factors

 

[Mr. Bambu]

What stops Lady immediately knowing what to do and then sorta just wanting him to badness

Lady unironically has every ability in D&D plus her own slew

Work on the premise that I know nothing about Canopus

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

LOP is infinite 5D so Canopus can`t oneshot her

 

[Mr. Bambu]

the hell is infinite 5D

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Wanting him to badness?

Also pretty sure infinite 5-D LoP was debunked by Matt a while back, and all of Canopus' attacks bypass durability.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I don't think Infinitely above baseline LoP for 5-D was ever argued, she's just well above baseline via scaling to the Serpent's brotherhood.

Wanting him to die. Not exist. Be gone. Literally anything she can do that would just instantly win with a passing will.

LoP resists dura negging deity shit. So.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Canopus ignores resistance to resistance and dura ignoring shenanigans via The Four Prime Factor iirc, since it's more or less every ability in SMT outside of YHVH's stuff

 

[Yobo_Blue]

The Four Prime Factors also protect him aagainst more or less all the shenanigans in SMT in top of that, and even when fighting a team of people with them he was still more or less on equal footing resistance wise.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

That's great but

I just am gonna point to scaling chains

Scaling chains are bigger in D&D. If homeboy has YHVH stuff then he absolutely rofls via smurfdom but based on what you just said that seems to not be the case.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Okay so

name every ability in SMT and I'll go get one of the abilities Lady has not in it

and then we can finish this up

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I mean, I could argue about scaling chains, but The Four Prime Factors aren't things you're going to bypass with those.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I mean, they're all on the profiles. That's what the profiles are for.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Why not?

Why would having a larger scaling chain of resistances not come into play when discussing resistances?

As it stands Lady just stands there and with the bigger chain, thinks. Hence why I was sorta glad D&D deity fights died down. 's no fun.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I thought you meant AP wise, nvm.

What are DND scaling chains in this case?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Ao to some extent << Entirety of the Ancient Brotherhood (the big organization of 5-Ds that The Serpent belongs to, the guy that made Vecna big-strong) <<<<< The Lady

The Brotherhood is its own little scaling chain but nobody knows their damn names except for The Serpent.

Resistances and abilities. They're the same thing in D&D, Saves scale to level which generally scale to your other abilities. In game this ensures you're less likely to be able to just hax a being of comparable power, out of game this leads to badness.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

And this is in regards to resistances?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I've given info on what I know, just... frankly I ain't too interested in these matches anymore. If you desperately need clarification on something contact me, but D&D gods just aren't as interesting as they used to be.

now I need to proceed to write up more shit for D&D Homebrew, thank you very much

 

[Elizhaa]

What stops Lady immediately knowing what to do and then sorta just wanting him to badness

Acausality (Type 4).

Why does she have Regenerationn (High-Godly, can survive the collapse of all 4-D space) if it was her restrited form which could have heen avatar did the feat and her true form is around 5-D anyway?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Considering stuff like Almighty and The Four Prime Factors have a huge chain of being specialized to by pass resistances, The Four Prime Factors which more or less defend spagainst and bypass all sorts of things, because, among other things, it's the equivalent of trying to use Holy Manipulation on itself, can feasibly bypass it,

 

[Mr. Bambu]

right

no escape from D&D vs SMT vs Digimon

@Elizhaa Affecting an Acausal type 4 isn't an issue, literally every deity has that, and the entirety of the multiverse stopped existing, her 2-A form was still able to return, at that point it is scaling.

 

[Elizhaa]

Acausality (Type 4) gives Resistance to Precognition in our wiki. If a character with Acausality (Type 4) is affected by Precognition then likely to have Acausality (Type 1) with other Acausality (Type 4) resistance and most likely should get Acausality downgrade.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I'm beginning to feel I'm the only person who likes these types of matches in the entire wiki

 

[LightSShinning]

@Mr.Bambu

I remember Dragonmasterxyz saying that you agree to downgrade TLOP Regenerationn from High Godly to Mid Godly?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

@Elizhaa Or a better form of precognition.

@Yobo yeah probably

@Light could be, my memory is shit and I've avoided these things for ages. I do firmly remember the reasoning for High-Godly though.

 

[Elizhaa]

Frankly, I agree High-Godly make less sense if it her restricted self being affected. Her true self, likely 5-D, would be alright and her true-self could probably had created a resistrited avatar that she always bring back anyway. Besides, most avatar have Type 8 Immortality based on what they embodies. I am fine with Mid-Godly scaling from other deities.

 

[LukaSolosYourVerse]

4 prime factors means canopus cannot take damage from/is able to immediately destroy anything documented in the akashic record which encompasses all of existence and nonexistence on the fundamental levels riprip, unless Lady can take away the factors in some way this is barely even a fight.

Surviving the destruction of something =/= regen btw so her high godly seems iffy to me

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I'd say nlf but tbh I'm just going to let this die because SMT and D&D and Digimon just don't need more matches against one another

 

[LukaSolosYourVerse]

tbh

 

[Yobo_Blue]

It's less a defense and more a side effect of having SMT style abstract existence. Though in application it makes his defenses scale at least a infinity above anyone else without the four in SMT.

 

[RM97]

Voting for Canopus FRA

 

[LukaSolosYourVerse]

It's less a defense and more a side effect of having SMT style abstract existence. Though in application it makes his defenses scale at least a infinity above anyone else without the four in SMT.

I feel you're half-right; Canopus to me is an example of someone's abstract existence being good to the point where it becomes a defense.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Same difference. The point is, it scales a lot higher than anything that isn't YHVH or maybe Brahman.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

people in D&D can mess with abstracts already though

 

[Yobo_Blue]

That's not the same thing as hurting someone with the Four Prime Factors, it's not non-corporeality. Even if it was, Demons are already abstract and he's immune to stuff from people who punch concepts in the face.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

didn't say it was just saying the abstract thing, like I said I don't plan on debating SMT vs Digimon vs D&D anymore

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I don't think you understand, I'm not giving you a choice

Okay.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Just vote and get it over with

 

[Mr. Bambu]

vote incon since I have inconclusive feelings and that's probably what it'd come down to anyways if every other SMT vs D&D match without Tier 1 Smurfdom is correct