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the firstIs that some sort of forcefield/aura that negates hax? They can already absorb hax, remove it, erase it, modify it and null it. Or just a forcefield or their destructive aura to negate it. So I don't think it is helpful in this match.
Also Chen Qi is one of the top new world cultivators in this key and has the new world abilities listed here.
I've applied changes to the profiles (at least that of Satan). We shall continueReply to this thread once the revision is finished. Also Chen Qi has more layers than that.
- Suppress everything within the area (paralysis + powernull)
- Mind & soul manipulation (They have it but it is unlikely he will turn it on)
- Manipulate his internal energy to absorb attacks (and grow stronger from them)
- Finally, manifest his Dao which is conceptual manipulation (type 1) and conceptually mindhaxes the opponent into believing his Dao and it also causes reality warping effects in the area
Deconstruct is resisted. Angels/demons are by default transcendent to spacetime/fate/causalityThere are other abilities he can turn on which would be in character, such as deconstruction aura which at his level removes all particles, space & time to create a vacuum. There is also the fact that he 2 sets of invulnerability.
How does his info analysis work I may ask. Depending on the mechanic satan might resist it. Also, has this hax worked on a conceptual being residing on another plane of existence?Anyways, the abilities listed are passives he has to turn on, as for active abilities, since Satan doesn't resist info analysis, Chen Qi's info analysis would give him an idea as to what ability to use, any of which are layered and some of which Satan does not resist. He will inadvertently cause the area to be
Satan can null/resist reality warpings so not really sure if it would work. On top of that, Satan is a large size type 6 being which I suppose would require Chenqi subjective world has to be as big as the solar system to begulf Satan entirelyHe will inadvertently cause the area to be under his subjective reality after releasing his dust world (which Satan doesn't resist).
Those effects are pretty much all resisted. As for RE, if it isnt much layered than satan can potentially null through dispel bounds.Lastly, he has shapeshifting and adaptation, if he sees it and understands it, he can just transform into it. Whether it is a weapon or energy, for example the latter, they can transform into devilish energy which has the effects of Corruption, Corrosion Inducement, Power Nullification, Madness Manipulation, Necromancy & Disease Manipulation.
Chen Qi resists CM (type 1) which entirely depends on the Dao they comprehend and the effects of those Daos can be conceptual EE, concept removal, conceptual illusion, conceptual powernull, conceptual sealing, my personal favourite being Gu Chensha's Mortal Life Mending which has a technique that has conceptual absorbtion, attack negation as well writing a new truth. They just generally share reality warping and conceptual mindhax. We see later on the path Chen Qi chose for himself, he became an entity which contains and embodies stories. Which would be his Dao.First, those are sure prominent moves but they won't matter if Chenqi doesnt resist Satan's passive Nullification and Erasure on an material/mental/emotional/spiritual/essential/conceptual (type 1)/historical/causal level, which is 5-7 layers at the minimum amount. These come from dispel bounds, Satan also possess a junk of other passives, conceptual mind control, madness, paralysis and transmutation (to sand) are notable among those I can think top off my head.
And from what I'm seeing on Cultivation page Chenqi hardly resist anything.
- Resisted on multiple levels, he basically resists his passives due to fighting enemies who have the exact same physiology
- Conceptual absorption is also layeredly resisted
- As I've explained, conceptual mind hax is resisted both conventional and unconventional. RW is specifically nulled by dispel bounds which is 5-7 layers
They would need to have r>f transcendence though. Chen Qi is above and outside cause and effect, good and evil and without fate but he would be destroyed by Gu Chensha if they were in the same realm by this. My point being, even if it resisted, their resistance would be negated by more layers. Deconstruction being a technique by 1st transformation cultivators who at a higher transformation improved it's potency.Deconstruct is resisted. Angels/demons are by default transcendent to spacetime/fate/causality
If Satan's senses are high, he would feel naked in-front of Chen Qi. If his senses are higher, he would feel himself getting scanned. In real time, it would just be Chen Qi glancing at him and already knowing what he needs to know about Satan. Cultivators use their spiritual sense to basically scan their surroundings. As an effect of this, they can also lock onto souls, so it wouldn't matter if Satan tries to dodge anything. But it is unnecessary though, since he can see Satan's body and soul (of-course I am assuming he has a soul).How does his info analysis work I may ask. Depending on the mechanic satan might resist it. Also, has this hax worked on a conceptual being residing on another plane of existence?
Before you start wondering where does all this resistances come from. Well, Satan basically resists this blog on several layers.
A dust world is a continent with a night sky. It also has a sun and a moon which is implied to be made from their essence. Extremely weaker 30th transformation can have dozens of these. There is also the fact that 35th transformation cultivators can with a thought expand these into a universe. Hence the possibly 3-A tier. Since we are using his 3-A version, a single dust world can easily hold Satan who is large size type 6 (Stellar)Satan can null/resist reality warpings so not really sure if it would work. On top of that, Satan is a large size type 6 being which I suppose would require Chenqi subjective world has to be as big as the solar system to begulf Satan entirely
Shapeshifting and adaptation is a 21st transformation ability, which would be nulled by a 22nd transformation cultivator. This match is 36th transformation Chen Qi.Those effects are pretty much all resisted. As for RE, if it isnt much layered than satan can potentially null through dispel bounds.
Souls in Bastard!! are type 1 concepts. Magic very mechanic is to perform special phenomenon through the power of souls so magic is conceptual in itself. Just to let you knowIf Satan's senses are high, he would feel naked in-front of Chen Qi. If his senses are higher, he would feel himself getting scanned. In real time, it would just be Chen Qi glancing at him and already knowing what he needs to know about Satan. Cultivators use their spiritual sense to basically scan their surroundings. As an effect of this, they can also lock onto souls, so it wouldn't matter if Satan tries to dodge anything. But it is unnecessary though, since he can see Satan's body and soul (of-course I am assuming he has a soul).
If he can expand his domain to 3A then fair, there's no way for satan to hide. What are the effects of this SR?dust world is a continent with a night sky. It also has a sun and a moon which is implied to be made from their essence. Extremely weaker 30th transformation can have dozens of these. There is also the fact that 35th transformation cultivators can with a thought expand these into a universe. Hence the possibly 3-A tier. Since we are using his 3-A version, a single dust world can easily hold Satan who is large size type 6 (Stellar)
Satan has RE to the level of boosting his HGR to a higher level, as well as negation. If 21st transformation's adaptation is also around this potency then well.Shapeshifting and adaptation is a 21st transformation ability, which would be nulled by a 22nd transformation cultivator. This match is 36th transformation Chen Qi.
All Angels/Demons are layered/enhanced acausal type 4 (they are transcendent to the systems that govern baseline acausal 4, technically). Acausal is unconventional resistance basically so layers of fate/causality hax won't really matter unless shown to work on acausals of the same level.They would need to have r>f transcendence though. Chen Qi is above and outside cause and effect, good and evil and without fate but he would be destroyed by Gu Chensha if they were in the same realm by this. My point being, even if it resisted, their resistance would be negated by more layers. Deconstruction being a technique by 1st transformation cultivators who at a higher transformation improved it's potency.
Yes since they need to affect cultivators of their own level while higher cultivators are just out of bounds. Of-course this doesn't apply to Gu Chensha who in his first key is in the same cultivation realm as Chen Qi but his AP and hax is comparable to a higher cultivation realm.Mamamia... Oh well good thing is we don't have to lengthen this match.
I'll just make a few things clear
The layers stuff, it says that their resistances would be stronger after each step indeed. Does it also scale to their layers of hax though?
Each of Satan's aspect of existence is protected by DB which can only be crushed by brute force (hence why unconventional resistance to all hax that affects him). Chen qi has the same AP as satan so at best it would buy some time for Satan, though if Chenqi has that much layered resistances, then satan wouldn't be able to do a thing even with time.
Thanks for the info.Souls in Bastard!! are type 1 concepts. Magic very mechanic is to perform special phenomenon through the power of souls so magic is conceptual in itself. Just to let you know
He inherits the basic ability of just turning Satan and the surrounding into his own, bringing it under his control, capable of changing it with a thought.If he can expand his domain to 3A then fair, there's no way for satan to hide. What are the effects of this SR?
21st transformation don't have HGR. I was just pointing out the large gap between 21st transformation and 36th transformation.Satan has RE to the level of boosting his HGR to a higher level, as well as negation. If 21st transformation's adaptation is also around this potency then well.
New world cultivators are Acausal type 4. It wouldn't stop the aura from a higher cultivator and it is an ability by 1st transformation cultivators and this match is 36th transformation Chen Qi.All Angels/Demons are layered/enhanced acausal type 4 (they are transcendent to the systems that govern baseline acausal 4, technically). Acausal is unconventional resistance basically so layers of fate/causality hax won't really matter unless shown to work on acausals of the same level.
The only wincon left for Satan here in this match, is to flick Chen Qi out of cause and effect, which negs astral beings' physiology that is a higher degree of acau 4.
On final note, each of satan's existential aspect resides on a separate plane of existence, you would need to put all his bodies down at the same time. Though to chinamen who deal with dimensions/spaces all the time it wouldn't be any trouble I think, just say
One thing that sticks to my concerns, is that according to Cultivation page, cultivators only have access to Chaos/CM1 at the 29th transformation, not 1st or 15th so I'm asking if that would affect anythingI still stand by my previous first statement of DB not being relevant for this match. In addition to the post I linked, 20th transformation are immune to all attacks unless it is an attack that damages their vitality but they would still be victims to any hax of higher cultivators. Even if DB was a law that set the rules for only X being able to damage it, it wouldn't be no different than 19th transformation law body. Even if it was invulnerability (which Chen Qi already has), it would be bypassed.
Satan has Immo 9 negation resistance due to resisting the effects of dispel bounds. That has been accepted in one of the threads tho I forgot to put it on profiles. Ok then.He has immortality type 9 negation
You'll have to prove that deeper here means also in terms of Acausality, rising your very existence is nowhere near to qualify higher degree of Acau. Also, the ability to banish from causality is passiveIt seems Chen Qi's acausal is higher but I will wait for your reply. Technically he is already outside cause and effect and cultivates to go even deeper, so I am not sure if that ability of Satan helps him cultivate or yeets him lol.
Lol I'm wondering whether Chenqi would still give Satan a good ending if he knows the demon king being the source of calamities and evil things alike.If it is a dust world, it is fatal. If it is a novel world, it is incap. Chen Qi doesn't write stories with protagonist that have horrible endings, so Satan will just be trapped in his story but at-least with a good life.
Primordial Chaos is only touched and manipulated by cultivators at that level. I don't understand your concern regarding this, since it it a separate CM (type 1) and it is of a higher more potent degree, being the origin and integration of everything. Cultivators can have it early but it would just be an imitation of Primordial Chaos.One thing that sticks to my concerns, is that according to Cultivation page, cultivators only have access to Chaos/CM1 at the 29th transformation, not 1st or 15th so I'm asking if that would affect anything
Raising your existence does qualify for a higher degree of Acausal though. They literally cultivated their way to Acausality (type 5) as 10th deathless. Or maybe I am misunderstanding your point here?You'll have to prove that deeper here means also in terms of Acausality, rising your very existence is nowhere near to qualify higher degree of Acau. Also, the ability to banish from causality is passive
The verse has been stated to have infinite types of energy and it also has different power systems, so non-cultivators exist. Even still, it is filled with psychopathic narcissists like most cultivation novels. I don't think Chen Qi would react much to Satan's nature. Either he gives him a bad ending or converts him, there is no scenario he loses his cool just because someone is evil.Lol I'm wondering whether Chenqi would still give Satan a good ending if he knows the demon king being the source of calamities and evil things alike.
Anyway, if Satan can't put down Chenqi immediately using the passive mentioned when the fight starts then he is done for.
I'll allow 24 hrs, maybe there is something of Satan you missed.All fair then, satan lost convincedly. Chenqi shall take the 1st spot
My guy, I've debated for Bastard!! enough to safely declare that even if I have been missing something, they'd just be minor elements that won't affect the result.I'll allow 24 hrs, maybe there is something of Satan you missed.
bro i think this needs a rematch
Not that I pay much attention to Bastard or Dragon Talisman, as I haven't read both yetlayeredly resisted
go make a questions and answers thread for this, not hereAlthough, I have a question. The world has time and space, shouldn't the 36 changes in Dao Realm be low-2-c
The Thirty Changes in Dao Realm, also known as "Opening up the Cave" or "Creating the World," fundamentally means creating a stable world amidst the turbulent flow of time and space.
Note that it is the world, not space.
Space is lifeless and lacks the ability to reverse time, lacking the vitality of creation.
Only the independent time and space that can give rise to all things and endow spirituality is the "world".
Only by opening up the world can one be called a true god—— Chapter 441
道境三十变,叫做“开辟洞天”,又叫做“缔造世界”,其根本就是在时空乱流之中缔造一个稳定的世界。
注意是世界,不是空间。
空间是没有生机的,也没有逆转时间的能力,缺乏造物之生气。
唯独是可以衍生万物,赋予灵性的独立时空,才是“世界”。
能够开辟出世界来,才能够称呼为真正的神。——441章