Possibly? Vs wiki seems to put Eggman's technology at MFTL for keeping up with Super Sonic (Non-Aggression Zone, Sonic Unleashed opening had the two persuing each other, and using Sonic Runners feat of Sonic being MFTL+ in Base would also imply that Eggman's moving at MFTL+ speeds in the boss fights. Thus you could argue that Eggman's pretty consistently MFTL to MFTL+.
While there isn’t a Calc that I see There’s also the Egg Mobile Traveling to the Moon in a few Seconds which could yield something
Eggman kept up with Super Sonic in Nonagression, since he fought alongside the same against Gemerl.
Reaching the moon in a few seconds would be relativistic. The moon is like 1.3 light seconds away from Earth. So reaching it in a few seconds would immediately be slower than light. Still impressive regardless.
Well yeah but the feat in question does have a little more, he seems to Cross the Earth First before getting to the Moon
I mean, Stronger doesn’t Mean Faster, Technically in gameplay Modern Super Sonic is doing all the Speed with the boost button (hell arguably Modern Sonic stages in general probably go on faster then Classic Sonic Stages with Super)
I don't know if vs wiki goes by this. But I believe Classic Sonic from Generations to not be the Classic Sonic from the 90's. Was he supposed to be? Yes, of course. However, due to the events of Sonic Generations interrupting the events of Sonic 1 (He was in Greenhill Zone before Time Eater erased the Universe IIRC). Thus the Classic Sonic we see in the game shouldn't scale to 90's Sonic. Especially since his feats are significantly greater than what we see from the actual 90's classic era.
An example of that, but with durability, is how Base Sonic on Archie can tank attacks from a duplicated Super Form, despite his base being much inferior to it's power in regardings.
Actually Sonic Generations takes place between Sonic 2, since at that time Classic Sonic did already know Tails's existence, and Sonic CD since Classic Sonic recognizes Amy's existence and has fought Metal to attain a Chaos Emerald from his defeat.
Couldn't you just say he knows Metal Sonic via knowing Tails and Amy already and thus he must have went through the events of CD already? Saying he got a Chaos Emerald from him the Generations storyline wouldn't be solid evidence. Seeing as he did that in the empty white space and not in the normal timeline.
Oh my mistake anyway, but I could say the explanation is that after the Time Eater messed up with the original classic timeline the events kinda diverged, since the Classic timeline is what it leads to the Modern era, but the events diverged after Generations, hence the reason of why Sonic Mania supposedly happens and why in recent sources Classic is stated to be from another world, aka another timeline, despite in Generations them being called the past and present versions of each other more than twice.
Agreed. That's exactly my thoughts. Someone even mapped this out:
Another thing to regard is that the only thing the Eggmobile actually scales in comparison to Super Sonic is his speed, since when he fought Gemerl alongside the same he was directly amped by Super Sonic's chaos energy to directly damage Gemerl in a single blast, since the Eggmobile isn't directly capable of damaging Gemerl through conventional means unless Sonic charges up a chaos power attack with him envolved.
Perfect Chaos uses like negative power from the Emeralds, which according to the wiki doesn't scale to the positive energy feats, like the Chaos Emeralds's power surpassing the Final Egg Blaster and so on.
Yea, that kinda bugged me. Just because A and B are using the same power sources doesn't mean they have the same benefits. They seem to use the 'they use the Chaos Emeralds and thus must be at this level or that level'. But the Chaos Emeralds are shown to grant variable levels of power. In cases where the Chaos Emerald is just used to fuel a machine, the power of the machine should just be what it was programmed to be with the Chaos Emeralds merely serving as a battery. Whilst if something is shown to straight-up channel the energy of the Chaos Emeralds itself that's a different story.
“Negative Chaos Energy” users have been rated as MFTL before, FinalHazard and Ultimate Gemerl besides, Perfect Chaos is going through a scaling revision soon
This negative energy and positive chaos energy thing always bothered me. Sonic Adventure seemed to imply that unless someone is specifically stated to tap into the individual energies that they were just naturally tapping into both energies or something neutral. Otherwise the positive energy thing wouldn't have been such a surprise to Sonic. Plus the positive energy from the Chaos Emeralds made Sonic powerful enough to fight Perfect Chaos who absorbed the negative energy. The implication being that both are comparable in power despite using two different forms of the same energy. I really don't see a reason to consistently separate positive and negative energy from each other when regarding using the Chaos Emerald's power.
There’s also just the fact the Japanese version of Sonic Adventure doesn’t even have an explicit statement “Negative Chaos Energy” is weaker then Positive, just that Sonic knows how to use The Chaos Emeralds “The Real Way”
Perfect Chaos is supposedly meant to scale to the Eclipse Cannon's attack speed normally, something quite funny to take out.
There’s also just the fact the Japanese version of Sonic Adventure doesn’t even have an explicit statement “Negative Chaos Energy” is weaker then Positive, just that Sonic knows how to use The Chaos Emeralds “The Real Way”
We could discuss that somewhere else. I personally have my own tier 4 Sonic as a bare minimum for Sonic. On other websites, I actually place him at 2-C (Base alone). Although my opinion on that could change.
It needs some staff approval btw, this site has some restrictions to pass a CRT here, at any case you can look up at the site rules to be more sure.
h-hOW?/
It sounds crazy, but it has to do with some scaling shenanigans involving Erazor Djinn, Time Eater, and Infinite. Merlina used to be part of the rhetoric but I've changed my views on her. Albeit I doubt the site will really agree with the meta.
Does CRT stand for Content Revision Thread? I've seen it quite a bit and it's left me pretty confused.
Ironically, Sonic has a tier 2 feat performed in base on the ocasion when he fights Void in Sonic Shuffle alongside his allies, but the site regards that as a massive PIS induced by GM(aka game mechanics).
Yes, CRT stands for Content Revision Thread, and you have to contact a staff member or wait for a staff member to give some answers here, if such member disagrees or agrees with the proposal.
LOLOLOLOL, I would expect something like that when I have seen this thread.
Yikes, is it bad that I use that on occasion? The feat is confusing. Doesn't running through time constitute as Immeasurable?
Actually Sonic being capable of ''fixing space'' with his speed is oftenly regarded as a spatial manip feat of his own, and that's a limited one.
Yikes, Imagine Sonic having infinite speed in base with just 5-A ratings, OOF!
