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Base Sailor Moon Adjustments
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Well I looked over some parts of the first arc and gotta say the mountain/continent level thing for sailor moon herself wouldn't apply.
at the end of this chapter she would probably still be around town lvl, tries to attack kunzite and didn't affect him at alland casually brushed her off
beginning of the next chapter she and the rest awakens, gains the silver crystal which likened to a supernova, overpowers him then he flees taking tm
next chapter we have the newly awoken guardians defeating him with a combined attack
So it is more likely she jumped a greater power interval. Keep in mind she also has fewer forms than the rest.
at the end of this chapter she would probably still be around town lvl, tries to attack kunzite and didn't affect him at alland casually brushed her off
beginning of the next chapter she and the rest awakens, gains the silver crystal which likened to a supernova, overpowers him then he flees taking tm
next chapter we have the newly awoken guardians defeating him with a combined attack
So it is more likely she jumped a greater power interval. Keep in mind she also has fewer forms than the rest.
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Sailor Moon (Character)
Sailor Galaxia
Sailor Mercury
Sailor Venus
Sailor Mars
Sailor Jupiter
Sailor Saturn
Sailor Uranus
Sailor Neptune
Sailor Pluto
Sailor Cosmos
Sailor Star Maker
Sailor Star Healer
Sailor Star Fighter
Sailor Kakyuu
Sailor Lethe
Sailor Mnemosyne
Sailor Galaxia
Sailor Mercury
Sailor Venus
Sailor Mars
Sailor Jupiter
Sailor Saturn
Sailor Uranus
Sailor Neptune
Sailor Pluto
Sailor Cosmos
Sailor Star Maker
Sailor Star Healer
Sailor Star Fighter
Sailor Kakyuu
Sailor Lethe
Sailor Mnemosyne
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@Crzer
It seems a bit inconsistant for the senshi to get Star level at that point when only the Silver Crystal was mentioned to have power of that level. In fact, the inner senshi were shocked that something this powerful even existed.
But since we don't have any other options at the moment, we should probably leave it that like you suggested. Anything else isn't going to have proper justification until we can find a better calc for it.
@Antvasima
I noticed that our standards for Infinite speed have changed again. Which makes me wonder.
Would Base Chaos gain Infinite speed for existing prior to the space-time continuum?
It would be his natural enviroment afterall.
It seems a bit inconsistant for the senshi to get Star level at that point when only the Silver Crystal was mentioned to have power of that level. In fact, the inner senshi were shocked that something this powerful even existed.
But since we don't have any other options at the moment, we should probably leave it that like you suggested. Anything else isn't going to have proper justification until we can find a better calc for it.
@Antvasima
I noticed that our standards for Infinite speed have changed again. Which makes me wonder.
Would Base Chaos gain Infinite speed for existing prior to the space-time continuum?
It would be his natural enviroment afterall.
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But whats proof that Tuxedo Mask was using the power from the fragment? Wasn't it rendered useless due to being separated?Crzer07 said:
There isn't really that much. The only reason they are High 3-A is because it would seem inconsistant for them to be several layers of infinity weaker than Sailor Moon. If we consider her an Infinite Low 2-C due to the Universe being Static in Sailor Moon. Then its possible the Senshi are the 4-D version of High 3-A. Since they could hold their own against the weaker Sailor Animamates, who were being described as a legitimate threat. But not so much to Eternal Sailor Moon.
Personally its not very solid, but they just don't have enough feats to justify anywhere else to be put at.
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It was stated that he was that strong is because of the fragment that he possessed. I don't think it was implied anything about the usefulness of being seperated
Nah i don't mean that part, but the last part where it says high 3-A with lambda power where it was unknown, like on sailor venus.
Nah i don't mean that part, but the last part where it says high 3-A with lambda power where it was unknown, like on sailor venus.
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I do recall that being said now that you mention it. But would it likely only be Star level due to the Crystal not being whole?Crzer07 said:
Oh, that. They have no other feats, so its just reasonable for them to at least retain their Eternal form stats with the Lambda power. We don't really get an implication they got any upgrade anyway from the Lambda power.
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I mean, its possible. They just don't have any proof they gained any sort of AP upgrade from it. Only the Regen portion of it.Crzer07 said:
Btw, they probably don't have access to all the powers of the sailor senshi like Sailor Moon. I think thats something exclusive to the person who controls the Cosmos Crystal.
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Then I suggest they should be closed until Crzer can make the edits. We're likely going to have more changes to be made anyway.
There's currently a discussion over their regen going on. Though it seems to be finishing. And you agree with Sailor Moon, Chaos, and Sailor Galaxia having Infinite speed?
There's currently a discussion over their regen going on. Though it seems to be finishing. And you agree with Sailor Moon, Chaos, and Sailor Galaxia having Infinite speed?
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I will wait for the current discussion to finish prior to anymore editing. So that we can do it all in a single go, and not waste anymore of your time with multiple edits.
However, Crzer can go ahead and make his edits when he is ready if he wants. Though, I suggest we close the profiles for now. To avoid anymore random edits.
However, Crzer can go ahead and make his edits when he is ready if he wants. Though, I suggest we close the profiles for now. To avoid anymore random edits.
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So yeah, as for the LP stats there's quite the argument about being scaled in this blog
Even down in the comments the person writes:
and more
If that is the case I Don't see how AP is an exception, unless its something exclusively derived from feats. And I always thought the control of the power was pooled out afterwards.
But if not they were all in civilian form and it would probably make high 3-A an arbitrary assumption. They are essentially a haxed out normal person, and cases like these they usually get rated Unknown in most categories if they're featless.
So perhaps Unknown is more appropriate
Anyway I guess I could do whatever edits you need me to. I might as well suggest putting something in for their range as well while we're at it.
Even down in the comments the person writes:
| the Lambda Power isn't something one can have partial control of. It's the power from all other forms of Planet Power are Aspects. Only Partially Controlling the Lambda Power is the same thing as Planet Power, which is something all Sailor Senshi possess. The Lambda Power is all Planet Power Together, it's not a seperate power that one needs to become attuned to. Imagine a 10x10 Grid. Each Sailor Crystal would be the equivalent of One Square whereas the Lambda Power would be consequently the equivalent of All Squares. Having Lambda Power means having all Planet Power. It's not a seperate thing in and of itself. It's a binary set of "Do you have Every Power?" Y/N. |
If that is the case I Don't see how AP is an exception, unless its something exclusively derived from feats. And I always thought the control of the power was pooled out afterwards.
But if not they were all in civilian form and it would probably make high 3-A an arbitrary assumption. They are essentially a haxed out normal person, and cases like these they usually get rated Unknown in most categories if they're featless.
So perhaps Unknown is more appropriate
Anyway I guess I could do whatever edits you need me to. I might as well suggest putting something in for their range as well while we're at it.
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But this would be under the assumption they all "Have" the Lambda power. After looking through the scans when the Lambda power is brought up, it seems the only ones who for sure "Has" it, is Eternal Sailor Moon, and Sailor Cosmos. This is because the Cosmos Crystal is what unleashed the Lambda power, and Eternal Sailor Moon has demonstrated the ability to manipulate it. Sailor Cosmos has it due to the Cosmos Crystal literally being her Sailor Crystal.
We mostly see it being said that the Lambda power regenerated them. Not that they gained the Lambda power, then regenerated themselves. Unless I am mistaken, and it is mentioned somewhere they all for sure have a portion of the Lambda power, I see no reason to give them this regen and then all the hax from it too. Its assuming way too much with not enough proper justification.
But again, maybe I'm forgetting a page or something.
As for your other suggestion, I think they should keep High 3-A. Its never implied they can't use their senshi forms anymore, and we have no implication they received a power boost like Sailor Moon from the Lambda power. Just the ability to exist in the galaxy cauldron.
Feel free though to perform the edits you wanted to do. I can ask Antvasima to open the profiles again if you want.
We mostly see it being said that the Lambda power regenerated them. Not that they gained the Lambda power, then regenerated themselves. Unless I am mistaken, and it is mentioned somewhere they all for sure have a portion of the Lambda power, I see no reason to give them this regen and then all the hax from it too. Its assuming way too much with not enough proper justification.
But again, maybe I'm forgetting a page or something.
As for your other suggestion, I think they should keep High 3-A. Its never implied they can't use their senshi forms anymore, and we have no implication they received a power boost like Sailor Moon from the Lambda power. Just the ability to exist in the galaxy cauldron.
Feel free though to perform the edits you wanted to do. I can ask Antvasima to open the profiles again if you want.
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On that last reply, having discussed the matter with Ikanil, I agree with him.
The ones who can certainly use it individually are ESM and Cosmos, while otherwise they need to collectively channel/combine their powers (and that also includes the powers of Moon herself) to bring it about, so it's not something the other Senshi should be able to use by themselves.
It's the same situation as with, say, Gold Saints in Saint Seiya.
They can use the Athena Exclamation which is a much stronger power than their own attacks, but only if they combine their powers with others so we can't give each and all of them the ability in question as there's no indication they can do it alone despite collaborating to the full power of the technique when joining forces with others (as in this case, the power simply isn't usable).
The ones who can certainly use it individually are ESM and Cosmos, while otherwise they need to collectively channel/combine their powers (and that also includes the powers of Moon herself) to bring it about, so it's not something the other Senshi should be able to use by themselves.
It's the same situation as with, say, Gold Saints in Saint Seiya.
They can use the Athena Exclamation which is a much stronger power than their own attacks, but only if they combine their powers with others so we can't give each and all of them the ability in question as there's no indication they can do it alone despite collaborating to the full power of the technique when joining forces with others (as in this case, the power simply isn't usable).
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