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down right you will see the shadow portal they need to jump through it to enter the real world
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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down right you will see the shadow portal they need to jump through it to enter the real world
Soulking22334
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it's just that graganta is a higher plane than the realms it is the bulk and they are the branches
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ShadoW200720
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Okay?
Why are we multiplying distance and time to get distance?
I'm confused honestly
ShadoW200720
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Nothing there shows Low complex
let us make half tybw characters low complex
, even if you take the garaganta as a 5D structure Causing cracks in it doesn't scale anywhere
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Garganta is infinite/universal size, but opening crack on it =/= destroying it as whole.
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I think the first priority after Cour 4 ends should be a cosmology blog. Garganta holds multiple 4d spaces with their own timelines and has its own separate time axis. I am not sure where it tiers based on our standards though. Not sure about this but have heard that a 4D space alone cant hold multiple 4d constructs and that it would need to be 5d or something along those lines.
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Does the 4-A scaling for captains like Aizen and Urahara come from Senjumaru or Gremmy?
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Uhhhhhhh you don’t need to be a higher plane to have another 4D structures inside you (pause)
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see the the post after it
Soulking22334
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the crack was opend as a side effect of their clash , they threatened the boundary itself
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because v x t give us distance
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there is still nothing to calc even if this was true
down right you will see the shadow portal they need to jump through it to enter the real world
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Speculation
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Power mean power, dude. It's referring to AP, clear an simple. The ammount of mental gymnastics you people need to do to discredit an extremely straightforward "I'm now stronger than you but you still are of interrest" is pitifull.
Aizen did not fight Shikai Yama, he specifically created counter measure to NOT have to fight shikai Yama. He was scared of even facing Shikai Yama.
Shikai Yama > Aizen ~ Urahara. Aizen would still win against Urahara in a non prep time fight via KS but their raw power would be similar, as per Aizen's own statement.
You're right, he did not use that ability against Askin. You know what he did use tho ? His bankai. Something FAR MORE POWERFULL, HIS LAST DITCH EFFORT. And it still wasn't enough to win on it's own. Sklaverei Voll Askin > Bankai Urahara > Shikai Urahara ~ Shinigami Aizen.
I don't care wheter Aizen received damage or not. I'm pointing out that it's Iasobi Benihime technique VISIBLY did more 'damage' to Full Chrysalis Aizen compared to his fully incanted Senju Koten Taiou on a far weaker version of Aizen, proving that Urahara Shikai far surpass his kido abilities, unlike what you claim. Kubo still had Aizen's chrysalis being damaged for a reason : To show wich attacks were the more powerfull (This is why i scale Isshin's GT above Urahara's benihime or Yoruichi's shunko : it did more damage to the chrysalis), even if aizen's essence is unscathed inside his cocoon. Obviously they don't scale to this Aizen (He wasn't even serious at all and one shot the 3 of them the instant he try.), but it's still impressive.
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In a webtoon I am reading, there is a category of peoples with infinite space within them, they are infinite beings.
Too bad it can't be listed as having high 3-A durability
ShadoW200720
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Because he didn't get the chance to?, immediately he got a shot at Askin after Yoruichi passed out, Askin popped Hasshein along with Gift Ball Deluxe to "put the battle to his terms" then added Gift Ring, which was one of the reasons he used bankai to heal himself, and the main reason it wasn't enough was due to the same Gift Ball passively poisoning him over and over which is hax, trying to say he is now>>>Bankai urahara meaning he's above Aizen is just....
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With muken or without muken dosent matter 2C feat
yhwach was going to destroy muken with ss is it 3-A or 2-C feat???
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Urahara's bankai was constantly healing and buffing him with the reconstruction so saying askin deathdealing was nerfing him is moot. Even in shikai, askin was forced to use Gift Ring because the Gift Ball Deluxe was barely working on Urahara. During his bankai, he was at full strength. And no, Askin isn't >>> Bankai Urahara's , just a bit stronger. Askin wasn't walking all over him but was clearly superior enough that Urahara couldn't defeat him on his own even with his own hax and amps.
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Lille is falling fast enough to break the serieite barrier. Which requires speeds way faster then free fall. Ichigo and comp needed to blast themselves through a canon and use their reiatsu to break it
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Then why does the databook contain statements like "no one can match Aizen"? Aizen's statement that their powers are no longer equal clearly relates to him surpassing the shinigami. The fact that he still attracts Urahara's attention can be attributed to Urahara's intelligence.
His unwillingness to fight him doesn't mean he'll have significantly lower AP. We've seen Aizen deal damage to Yamamoto. Yamamoto's willingness to take damage doesn't necessarily mean his durability will decrease.
The fact that Bankai is stronger than Shikai doesn't mean Bankai's raw AP will be greater than all of Shikai's techniques. It only shows that Bankai raw AP > Shikai raw AP. Shikai Toshiro's Tenso Jurin is higher than Bankai Toshiro's raw AP. This might also apply to Urahara's technique you mentioned. Besides, how can Askin, who took damage from Grimmjow, be Aizen level? You're still ignoring the most critical point.
I'm not even mentioning that Askin shouldn't scale to Bankai Urahara. Urahara was able to clash with Askin using one arm. When Urahara used two arms and held his Zanpakuto, Askin was thrown far away. The reason Urahara was defeated in the end was because the poison weakened him again. Even in the parts where he was superior, he was nerfed because he still had poison on him. In the end, the amount of poison was so excessive that Urahara couldn't fight back at all.
How can you not care? What is the person/thing you're claiming Urahara damaged that has 4-A durability?
Why would causing a bigger explosion necessarily mean a more powerful attack? Besides, there's no reason for that shell to be 4-A. Aizen could be 4-A/3-C and the shell could be High 6-A. This shell isn't like Zommari's shell, which is more resistant to its user.
It's good that Urahara hit the shell harder than Yoruichi and Isshin, but there's no reason to give them both a 4-A rating. Yoruichi's so-called feat was hitting a shell with lower durability than Aizen's, resulting in a piece of his leg breaking.
Isshin, on the other hand, fought a weakened Pre-Hogyoku Aizen. Aizen was weakened by his fights against Yamamoto and Ichigo. He took damage from both before fighting Isshin. Additionally, he used Kyoka Suigetsu excessively against the other members of the Gotei 13. Kubo indirectly indicated that Kyoka Suigetsu significantly reduced Aizen's reiatsu. In fact, Aizen didn't fight Unohana even though he could have, simply to avoid becoming exhausted. Because if Kyoka used Suigetsu, she would have to fight Yamamoto in a weakened form in a potential encounter.
Aizen was able to damage Yamamoto, a stronger fire-type zanpaktou user than Isshin. He's stronger than Resurrection Woderweiss, which also deals damage to him. It's stated that Isshin is as strong as he was 20 years ago. 20 years ago, he could only defeat White's prototype with help from Masaki. This White is weaker than OMZ, and Ichigo's White surpasses OMZ during his Vaizard training.
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This isn't a complete off-guard situation. This is just an off-guard situation in terms of combat. Askin knows he's in combat, why would he reduce his durability? The most you could say is that Askin used Blut Arteria instead of Blut Venn because he wanted to deliver the final blow to Urahara. In that case, you could say Grimmjow dealt damage to 1/5 of Askin's full durability.
Young Chojuro > Old Chojuro, or if you're arguing the opposite, you'd call that scene an outlier.
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Soulking22334
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not for zarak fans
ShadoW200720
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Buffing himself?, no sir, healing himself?, yes because of the poison that was constantly upon him by gift ball deluxe which is hax
Moot point, because askin said he could control the poison in the gift ball deluxe, isn't this the same move that made bankai urahara pass out after askin died?
Because Askin specifically put the battlefield to favour himself , which he himself said?, Remove that battle field advantage and Urahara has way more AP than Askin, Askin only had that advantage in hax which helped him greatly
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No, they need to move faster than light, which will erase the shadows on the ground.
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Kaguya sand dimension time passes differently then the actual Naruto universe or Itachi’s tsykoyomi time passes differently then the Naruto universe. Does that make all of their dimensions a higher temporal axis or a higher dimension in general?No, they need to move faster than light, which will erase the shadows on the ground.
You have to have an explicit statement of them being a higher dimension/temporal axis. Your Carl Sagan example is as good as the 4D Limbo scaling substantiated by Carl Sagan
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Since when?
When was this stated
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Sand dimension was morning and the Naruto universe was night virtue of having the same type of dimension as Momoshiki it’s a parallel dimension so any changes can be attributed as being “different” then what already is being compared
But on a serious note, it’s a example and i used Naruto because it the second most mentioned series discussed here
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I didn't know that both examples refer to dimensions that contain other dimensions within them and still have their own time, distinct from that of the dimensions they contain.
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I mean yea they are all encompassed by the main universe that is encompassed by the limbo dimension that is encompassed by a higher plane of existence where Shibai resides in
So yes they are dimension encompassed by dimensions
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Any quotes or evidence other than the illustrations?
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Profile exists gang
Soulking22334
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ss and wotl all have their different timeframe and graganta still contains them and has a separate time axis
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