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Possibly real as Tsukishima doesn't create a new past but instead modifies the already existing one and this interacts with Zangetsu in a similar way than Allmighty.
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Possibly real as Tsukishima doesn't create a new past but instead modifies the already existing one and this interacts with Zangetsu in a similar way than Allmighty.
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but that mean that every possibility have their own past and present and future( that explains who yhwach can return after his death )
This overlaps with modal logic But with factors that are difficult to explain
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Possibly but it's a very hard sell, the way time works in Bleach is pretty wonky
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i need to find all the scans , if this comes to be true we can wank yhwach and soul king to a disgusting degree
Soulking22334
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From this, we know that every future is a real world and not merely an imaginary possibility that has not yet occurred, for it interacts with the future just as we interact with the present, as he says
His return here doesn't make sense if he controls the causality of a single line (past, present, and future possibilities stemming from that past and present), because he died here and is unaware of it. This means that his death has become a fixed point in the timeline (i.e., in every possible future, he will be dead), yet he returned. This leads us to conclude that he does not control the possibilities of a single timeline, but rather all possible lines (all possibilities arising from every possible past and present).
This supports my point: the book of the end creates a different past.
He can also perceive change
There is abundant evidence suggesting that he is controlling the logic of Lewisian realism ( i need more scans to confirm, can someone provide it)( It's also like branching concretism)
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Those things aren't part of the wiki tier system, I doubt it would be accepted without being at least referenced in the manga.
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I wouldn't say it's a hard sell. Time in bleach is complicated tho. Every object his it own personal timeline. Then you have a higher timeline that governs that. The kotosu sent ichigo and comp 8 days into the past and that pretty much affect the whole cosmology
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why does orihime have ftl+ while aizen and yhwach don't?
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because the scaling sucks
Soulking22334
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Lewisian realism is part of this wiki ( dc & marvel multiverse have them) the term itself was not mentioned, but there are indications of it
Soulking22334
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[Original Past] ───> [Present] ───> [All Futures in which the bankai is Broken by Yhwach] │
└─── (Tsukishima inserts new past) │
└───> [New Present] ───> [New Futures (Unbroken)] ───> Orihime Rejects Event
that proves my point
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because her profile wasnt updated, shrimple as that
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Can anyone verify the following changes?
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He does downscale from Yamamoto, although what's confusing me is that the value he has in the profile is 0.1c while the scaling chain in the accepted thread has him at 0.066c.
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The problem is that the scaling chain made by Infinite was originally using a different calc. When the calc was changed, he tried to update it, but it wasn't very good. When I finally took a look at it, the thread was already closed.
To explain, I think he messed up and put the downscale number as the calc number (0.0667c). However, that's not how downscaling works, as Yamamoto is Rel (0.2224c). If you were to downscale, you don't suddenly go from Rel to Sub-Rel+, which is what would've happened if I had put the number as 0.0667c.
Ultimately, the scaling chain in the OP can't really be used because of mistakes with the numbers (though most of the chain in terms of actual scaling were correct)
To address some slight inconsistencies in the numbers on the pages as well, there's this:
Basically, there was some rounding issues and what not. The calc itself is fine, the scaling itself is fine (Well, about as fine as you can get with this shit), but there were numerical issues and also some improper downscaling caused by the calc undergoing numerous changes within the thread.
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Shunsui has got to be the most wanked character in bleach surpassing even ulquiorra. the takes i always see regarding him is always consistently full of bull crap it's insane lmao
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People say he‘s the strongest Espada for a decade now. There are people who straight up think that he beats characters like Monster Aizen, Dangai Ichigo, Squad 0 characters and such.
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Who tf is saying this
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Someone here said exactly what i said just afew months ago and is even planning on making a Crt for thatWho tf is saying this
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Please reply to the message because did we all watch the same damn fightSomeone here said exactly what i said just afew months ago and is even planning on making a Crt for that
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Please reply to the message because did we all watch the same damn fight
Oh don’t worry. I don’t think Ulquiorra touches any of those characters. I don’t think he‘s a top 3 espada but some people do…….
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Trust me, it's a take that's more common than you would think. It doesn't help that some YouTube power scalers push the agenda (cough cough Clyde cough cough).Who tf is saying this
(No, seriously, Clyde genuinely believe that the only Captain who could stop Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra during the Fake Karakura Town arc is Yamamoto, and, if I recall correctly, he believes that Ulquiorra might push Yamamoto to use Bankai)!
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Is stronger then Max Yammy and weaker then 60% Base Cien, who at max is still weaker then Base Aizen
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Where do they say that?
Soulking22334
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zaraki and cien were stated to be equal to VL ichigo
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He is also weaker than starkk and Barragan as per safwy volume 3
Soulking22334
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this novel make several characters universal and just abuse the rest
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2nd Scan is from V1 SAFWY and the rest are from V2
33% Base Cien surpasses max Yammy
60% Base Cien surpasses every Espada Uryu has sensed
Cien when fighting Roka thinks she's going to copy one of these 3 Espada's ultimate techniques
But he then realizes she might be trying to copy 2nd form Ulquiorra and VL Ichigo instead (implying either of these two's powers > the other 3 Espada's ults)
SAFWY is 2 volumes long, there is no 3rd volume
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ur saying 60% Cien> Every Espada Uryu has ever sensed INCLUDING ulquiorra but then, Cien is implying that their power> the other Espadas ultimate attacks? Sounds contradictory
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Ngl bro I don't undersand nor see the contradiction ur trying to point out
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yeah no i am slow. i read it wrong. But first saying that a certain character is above the others just to imply that thats not the case seems odd
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I originally did say 2nd form Ulquiorra was below Cien, i never said he's the strongest. He's the 2nd strongest Espada behind Cien
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in the 2nd volume then damn
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The cien that said that was already severely damaged from the gran rey cero damage he recieved that was even doubled by rora's copy of nel abilites, and the correct translation said those powers would be difficult to handle at that moment, this doesn't imply your premise at all
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Cien being damaged isn't relavent at all? And I think ur referring to him saying if she copied VL powers that would make her troublesome to handle. Which is a different line i didn't even provide a translation for and not even relevant at all here.
Roka was preparing a attack with her threads and Cien was trying to guess what attack she would attempt to copy, He first think it's Barragan, Stark or Yammy that she's trying to copy. He then thinks she's going to copy VL or Ulq instead of those other 3. Implying both Ulq and VL separately > Yammy
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