BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[SilentBob34]

Lol.

Anyway, I wouldn’t advise people to crash out over any of this. Stats change all the time.


There was a time when God Tiers were like, country to continental. I was shocked when I came back to see Bleach at Tier 4 and Tier 3. Even Tier 5 was a huge struggle at some point. Same with One Piece, which was 7-A to High 6-C.

Anyway, these upgrades and downgrades are just cycles depending on what users are on the wiki, simply because powerscaling is inherently divisive and not factual.

I wouldn’t take it to heart even if you personally don’t agree with the changes. People that were here from 2016-2019 ish should know how easily stats, especially for popular verses, can change so drastically.

Agreed, @Mommyleona sorry for what I said was offensive, I know you’re not doing it personally, you’re just striving for the most accurate results

 

[Apotheosis69]

This calc is accepted by Damage, but apparently no one used it because it wasn't needed:

Cien's Cero

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That'll just be Supportive calc, cus the Second Speed Revisions will make characters a lot faster

 

[DragoZeroNova]

That'll just be Supportive calc, cus the Second Speed Revisions will make characters a lot faster

Not anymore lol this is the primary now

 

[Mommyleona]

Agreed, @Mommyleona sorry for what I said was offensive, I know you’re not doing it personally, you’re just striving for the most accurate results

It's fine, no offense taken.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

@Ghostimuscrime if you're there, you may need to see this:

 

[Saqphire]

@Ghostimuscrime if you're there, you may need to see this:

He isn't. That scan is most likely fake btw

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

@Ghostimuscrime if you're there, you may need to see this:

Fakest scan I’ve ever seen

 

[Crobatman44]

@Ghostimuscrime if you're there, you may need to see this:

Given that you tried to ping him,you could have taken one look at his profile to see that he has left.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Given that you tried to ping him,you could have taken one look at his profile to see that he has left.

I thought that he was not allowing people to comment on it

 

[Hasch]

The grimmjow statement might not be cooked after all. Pretty much every translator compares his speed to lightning.

そこから現れた白い影は、それこそキャンディスの雷光の如き勢いでその身を尸魂界の中に躍らせた。

"From that Soul Society, the white figure that appeared hurled itself into the Seireitei with a speed just like Candice’s lightning"

Chatgbt

Also the dued basically perception blitzed everyone their. Which is supporting evidence of him moving at lightning speeds or faster since Candace's lightning bolts are faster then normal ones

Where do you get the japanese version?

 

[Apotheosis69]

@Ghostimuscrime if you're there, you may need to see this:

Fakest thing ever. More than most celebrities'"natural" bodies

 

[Mommyleona]

The time has come

Bleach - Speed Downgrades

Agree: @Damage3245 (Agrees with everything, but the cap. Neutral on the cap), @Dalesean027 (Agrees with everything, but the cap), @Nierre (Agrees with everything, but the cap), @Duedate8898 (Agrees with everything, but the cap), @LephyrTheRevanchist (Agrees with everything, but the cap)...

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[DragoZeroNova]

Why am I bothering to fix speed if people are just going to **** about every 5 seconds?

 

[PizzaDante67]

Why am I bothering to fix speed if people are just going to **** about every 5 seconds?

Because it seems like they wanna get bleach as low as possible as quickly as possible i dunno.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Why am I bothering to fix speed if people are just going to **** about every 5 seconds?

Now you see why I haven't commented on that thread and I take a while before appearing, too much bs all at once

 

[ichimojii]

Where do you get the japanese version?

Vk.com bleach club

 

[AppleLord]

Kubo reveals another GOD, Amatsu-Sama.

- Soul King’s leg?

- Hell Arc villian?

Endless possibilities…

 

[ichimojii]

Amatsu-sama is a Shinto God from the primordial sea who rebeled agisnt the other gods

 

[Apotheosis69]

Amatsu-sama is a Shinto God from the primordial sea who rebeled agisnt the other gods

Where did you find that?

Plus Im fairly certain that's referring to the Group "(Koto)Amatsukami"

 

[ichimojii]

Where did you find that?

Plus Im fairly certain that's referring to the Group "(Koto)Amatsukami"

I just looked up amatsu the Shinto God and that's what came up

 

[Apotheosis69]

I just looked up amatsu the Shinto God and that's what came up

Oh, then you're likely referring to Amatsu-Mikaboshi. Who was a rebellious god to the Kotoamatsukami, slain by Take-Mikazuchi and Futsunushi. He represents the original Void/chaos and the stars, which I Suppose can be equated to the Primordial Sea in Bleach? Hope Cour 4 explains it.

Really wish Nanao's family flashback expanded on that, or was forshadowed. But unfortunately nah

 

[Mommyleona]

Why am I bothering to fix speed if people are just going to **** about every 5 seconds?

sorry

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you both are working on the speed scaling chain right? I'm not sure if I should apply my thread to pages right now, since it's all outdated and is gonna be rewritten soon anyway
not to mention the scaling in the pages is so confusing at times, with no values for majority of the ratings, I'm honestly really lost on where some characters scale

 

[DragoZeroNova]

sorry

you both are working on the speed scaling chain right? I'm not sure if I should apply my thread to pages right now, since it's all outdated and is gonna be rewritten soon anyway
not to mention the scaling in the pages is so confusing at times, with no values for majority of the ratings, I'm honestly really lost on where some characters scale

Since there's no cap (right?), you can just apply the ratings if you want. It doesn't really make a difference to me whether or not I edit the new pages or the old ones. If you don't have a clear idea though, then you could theoretically just wait it out since I'll be honest, I don't have a clear idea yet either. With that said, TYBW stuff is being covered in part 3 which is probably more then a month away, so that part makes sense to edit regardless, unless you don't want to. I've been recovering from my Wisdom Teeth removal, but I think I can get Part 2 done before May is over earlier if I lock in.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Since there's no cap (right?), you can just apply the ratings if you want. It doesn't really make a difference to me whether or not I edit the new pages or the old ones. If you don't have a clear idea though, then you could theoretically just wait it out since I'll be honest, I don't have a clear idea yet either. With that said, TYBW stuff is being covered in part 3 which is probably more then a month away, so that part makes sense to edit regardless, unless you don't want to. I've been recovering from my Wisdom Teeth removal, but I think I can get Part 2 done before May is over earlier if I lock in.

^
Better lock tf in

 

[Mommyleona]

Since there's no cap (right?)

Yeah

If you don't have a clear idea though, then you could theoretically just wait it out since I'll be honest, I don't have a clear idea yet either.

lel

It doesn't really make a difference to me whether or not I edit the new pages or the old ones.

TYBW stuff is being covered in part 3 which is probably more then a month away, so that part makes sense to edit regardless

I see I see, I suppose I'll update the ftl guys for now at least

 

[Infinite9Luck]

I see I see, I suppose I'll update the ftl guys for now at least

It's better to upgrade every chara and update the verse page, otherwise it is pretty messy for @DragoZeroNova to track back the logic behind all ratings, if you are not gonna upgrade everything, it is better you let him do it honestly.

 

[Torsin]

I believe there was a statement by Kubo in Klub Outside that even if Unohana looked at a CCTV camera recording of her disecting and analyzing Aizen's illusion fake body she would still see it as a corpse instead of thin air. What does this classify as?

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Nothing, this is just like HxH Nen users who can see the Nen of other peoples through CCTV. Something that should be impossible since security cameras can't even record Nen.

 

[AppleLord]

Nothing, this is just like HxH Nen users who can see the Nen of other peoples through CCTV. Something that should be impossible since security cameras can't even record Nen.

He meant the Soul CCTVs in Bleach. Located in the Soul realm.

 

[Hasch]

KS is hypnosis, it changes the target perception of reality, so it wouldn't be relevant what it's actually on the screens of those computers just Unohana's pre-programed visuals.

 

[MillenniumSunny]

has anyone ever had the idea of using the distance between the WOTL and Soul Society found in the Senna explosion calc to get Ichigo’s travel speed when he goes from Hueco Mundo to Soul Society at the start of TYBW?

also, thoughts on this calc from the Espada vs Warlords vs Akatsuki blog that g1 did a while ago? (it takes Ceros at light speed, not sure if VSBW does that)

 

[Mommyleona]

(it takes Ceros at light speed, not sure if VSBW does that)

It doesnt

 

[MillenniumSunny]

It doesnt

unfortunate

what’s the reasoning because I do

 

[PizzaDante67]

unfortunate

what’s the reasoning because I do

not enough evidence

 

[MillenniumSunny]

not enough evidence

idk personally I buy it just based off them being referred to as rays of light and being shown diffusing

I think it’s reasonable to write off stuff like causing explosions as being because of them being imbued with spiritual energy

 

[Hasch]

has anyone ever had the idea of using the distance between the WOTL and Soul Society found in the Senna explosion calc to get Ichigo’s travel speed

Garganta has no reason to follow conventional distance from the other dimensions.

You can just get Ichigo''s traveling speed from Gin's Bankai and Candice lightning x 9hs

 

[PizzaDante67]

idk personally I buy it just based off them being referred to as rays of light and being shown diffusing

I think it’s reasonable to write off stuff like causing explosions as being because of them being imbued with spiritual energy

Cero's must, at least, meet some of these criterias to even considered to be accepted as Lightspeed.

 

[Saqphire]

has anyone ever had the idea of using the distance between the WOTL and Soul Society found in the Senna explosion calc to get Ichigo’s travel speed when he goes from Hueco Mundo to Soul Society at the start of TYBW?

The distance in the movie is the Dangai. Ichigo and Unohana went through the Garganta

also, thoughts on this calc from the Espada vs Warlords vs Akatsuki blog that g1 did a while ago? (it takes Ceros at light speed, not sure if VSBW does that)

Even if the Cero's are SOL, their distance calced is wrong because they already completed a massive distance when Starrk fires and shifts his hand. Plus this suffers from the problem of "If combat speed MFTL, why use SOL attack" so the calc wouldn't be indexed anyway

 

[SilentBob34]

The distance in the movie is the Dangai. Ichigo and Unohana went through the Garganta

Even if the Cero's are SOL, their distance calced is wrong because they already completed a massive distance when Starrk fires and shifts his hand. Plus this suffers from the problem of "If combat speed MFTL, why use SOL attack" so the calc wouldn't be indexed anyway

Bro, people aready accepted Ichigo falling through terminal velocity was too much. Accept there’s a new guy in town that can down grade Bleach as he pleases. A well known moderate of Bleach via Damage is happy these threads apply

 

[Hasch]

Yeah, first order of things is to get rid of this thing for being just flat out wrong, then remake the powerscalling completely, then properly set the distance to the palace and speed.

Bleach Big Calc problems

This is regarding Reiokyu-Seireitei Distance, it has quite some issues Before going into it, some things to keep in mind, Soul Society is stated to parallel the World of the Living, and is shown to clearly have space (both things are accepted as far as I'm aware, but I wanted to give additional...

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