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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

ReaperAndBlues said:
Yep, the Final Grimmjow Fight key for Pre-ts Ichigo shows it jumps from 289 teratons to 3.89 petatons, and Ulq Res goes from 3.89 to 38.9
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I think it's pointless to ask at this point, but what about hierro? (I plan a multipliers crt for the god tiers)
 
ItsMeat said:
ItsMeat said:
Btw, how do we treat ulquiorra's ressurections and ichigo's hollow mask? Also 10×'s?
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And getsuga mixed with gran rey cero is another ×10?
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Getsuga + Gran Rey is currently 10x. Reaper has said his future plans already.
Ulquiorra's res is currently 10x.
Ichigo's hollow mask is 10x as of final Grimmjow fight due to feats. His hollow mask before that is 5x. Chalk it up to him being able to do more with the mask
 
Right now the durability of an Arrancar is basically Hierro + "base" durability. In practice, this basically means nothing since unlike Blut Vene, you can consider Hierro to be always on and this theoretical "base" durability can realistically never be found, unless there's something I'm misunderstanding with Hierro
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Yeah lmao. Throw Bankai on there and that becomes a f**king 5000x multi. If Ichigo could get to 2-C bare minimum, it would give him a hella strong multiplier chain.
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I wanted to ask, would this multiplier matter in an hypothetical vs match, where the opponent scales to one or two universes higher than Ichigo’s 2C scaling? If both were 2C
 
Specterxxxx said:
I wanted to ask, would this multiplier matter in an hypothetical vs match, where the opponent scales to one or two universes higher than Ichigo’s 2C scaling? If both were 2C
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Nope. Because scaling higher in universes is simply a stomp diff. That's an entire infinity over what another character can do. Once you reach 2-C, you just become stronger than baseline whatever the amount of universes you can destroy, like how in Dragon Ball there are characters who are multiple sextillions of times stronger than 2-C scaling to 3 (or 6 in the anime) universes, but if they fought someone who doesn't scale to their universe count (be it greater than or less than) it's a stomp
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Nope. Because scaling higher in universes is simply a stomp diff. That's an entire infinity over what another character can do. Once you reach 2-C, you just become stronger than baseline whatever the amount of universes you can destroy, like how in Dragon Ball there are characters who are multiple sextillions of times stronger than 2-C scaling to 3 (or 6 in the anime) universes, but if they fought someone who doesn't scale to their universe count (be it greater than or less than) it's a stomp
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So boring, the higher the tier the more boring the match ups become honestly, maybe I should spam CRT downgrades from now on......
 
Specterxxxx said:
So boring, the higher the tier the more boring the match ups become honestly, maybe I should spam CRT downgrades from now on......
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Once u reach tier 2, its either how many universes are you destroying or how haxxed you are compared to someone else, tier 1 is diabolical in terms of that.
 
PedjaTarzan said:
Once u reach tier 2, its either how many universes are you destroying or how haxxed you are compared to someone else, tier 1 is diabolical in terms of that.
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Tier 1 is just where shit becomes terrible to debate. Sure it's big and "oooooh, I'm 8D" but ACTUALLY getting matches that work is a pain in the ass. You also have a LOT of omnipotent characters with shit like HDE, which is something not every tier 1 has (aka the Guilty Gear folks)
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Tier 1 is just where shit becomes terrible to debate. Sure it's big and "oooooh, I'm 8D" but ACTUALLY getting matches that work is a pain in the ass. You also have a LOT of omnipotent characters with shit like HDE, which is something not every tier 1 has (aka the Guilty Gear folks)
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And alot of times, when you find a character who scales the exact same as you do, they just omegastomp you with the most insane bs hax you have ever seen.
 
I was Wondering what (if anything at all) range The Almighty could possibly get? Would he only get 2-B range via the countless possibilities thingy or 2-A range since he can see every possible future. I‘m like 97% sure that there is a statement saying that there are „infinite branches of time“.
 
PizzaDante67 said:
I was Wondering what (if anything at all) range The Almighty could possibly get? Would he only get 2-B range via the countless possibilities thingy or 2-A range since he can see every possible future. I‘m like 97% sure that there is a statement saying that there are „infinite branches of time“.
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Yeah girkio says that their are infinite torrents/streams of the time. Then proceeds to sacrifice a timeline tsukishima implanted in a tree. Time in bleach is odd every person and object his it's own timeline. Then you have the main universe timeline. Then you have possible the garganta timeline.


Theirs also the kotostu which sent ichigo and comp back into the past which should lead to a paradox were they meet their past selves. However this didn't happen it would seem the kotostu corrected any temporal irregularities
 
ichimojii said:
Theirs also the kotostu which sent ichigo and comp back into the past which should lead to a paradox were they meet their past selves. However this didn't happen it would seem the kotostu corrected any temporal irregularities
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Do i smell Hypertimeline arguments?👀

Nah thats not what it is i think.
 
PizzaDante67 said:
I was Wondering what (if anything at all) range The Almighty could possibly get? Would he only get 2-B range via the countless possibilities thingy or 2-A range since he can see every possible future. I‘m like 97% sure that there is a statement saying that there are „infinite branches of time“.
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Imo, it could be L1C.

He could foresee the futures resulted from the past being changed(and likely the past being changed as well) before the past was actually changed. The best part is that the past wasn't even changed, it was another past joining the main timeline, making the main timeline be composed of multiple such timelines which wouldn't be parallel timelines(they are different after all and they literally join each other at a certain point).

And tsukishima'a book of the end isn't limited to a single universe's timeline, it extends to the garganta's timeline, being able to create in wotl multiple pasts with events in the other realms as well(auch as byakuya's past or orihime and chad's pasts where he's the one that defeated aizen)

And yes, Giriko says something about "infintie torrents of time", we have statements about multiple time axis and so on. Honestly, bleach should have at least 2 temporal dimensions
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Guys I'm currently making the sandbox for the CRT and I just realized something. Getsuga Jujisho is a pretty significant amp. It tore through Post-9 Year Yhwach's Sankt Zwinger, which most definitely also had to have Blut Vene enabled too. This means that Ichigo's GJ is 3-B and also by extension Uryu's Sternenstaub.
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You’re crazy if you thing the GJ Ichigo used on Uryu and the one he used one Yhwach were the same
 
Specterxxxx said:
It should be but perhaps a CRT will be needed for that, infact not only just this any feat in the series achieved with sheer reaistu be it hax negation or any thing similar should be given across to every character who are relative to the person who achieved the feat, if they scale to the same AP.
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I 100% agree up until a certain point. Like take for instance Ichigo going through Irazusando. He held the weight of 3 universes solely because he is a perfect hybrid that could replace the SK. You can’t use him fighting Uryu and give him the same stats
 
SilentBob34 said:
I 100% agree up until a certain point. Like take for instance Ichigo going through Irazusando. He held the weight of 3 universes solely because he is a perfect hybrid that could replace the SK. You can’t use him fighting Uryu and give him the same stats
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He held the realms because he has massive reiyorku, not because he is an hybrid. The main thing here is being a chimera gives you massive reiyorku but you don't need to be a hybrid, it's why Aizen who isn't a hybrid can replace the soul king because the hygoku grants him the reiyorku to do that.

Edit: I am not saying, uryu can lift the three realms at least not for a long while any way. Being able to withstand the weight of the realms and being able to withstand the weight of the realms for a long time are two different things but both would scale to that rating regardless.
 
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Hikone was hybrid and didn't become a reio candidate until he reached a certain level of power. So it's power and having all soul types
 
DragonZeroNova said:
10x as the highest level of Hollowfication demonstrated in Bleach.
Currently no (subject to change if speed and LS is ever fix, but it's absolutely not a guarantee it'll become all stats)
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Could you argue that Vasto Lorde was like a 100x amp in power since it made base Ichigo stronger than Ulq who at that point was had increased his stats by 100x using two Ress's?
 
SharkBook01 said:
Could you argue that Vasto Lorde was like a 100x amp in power since it made base Ichigo stronger than Ulq who at that point was had increased his stats by 100x using two Ress's?
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It's even more

I am writing in a sandbox about it, but it would be an over 1k times
 
Full Hollowfication has no direct multiplier. Rather, it is just at least 2x stronger than second res Ulquiorra, because at less than half power, he was manhandling Ulquiorra.

In other words, just like how True Bankai Ichigo is 100x off scaling from feats as opposed to a stated multiplier, Full Hollowfication is just 200x based off feats.

So if you really want to give it a number, you can say it's at least a "200x multipler". Unlike the standard Hollowfication multipler, this is not something I really want to state as a solid multiplier per se, but you get the idea.
Edit: 2000x because I forgot about Oscuras
 
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DragonZeroNova said:
Full Hollowfication has no direct multiplier. Rather, it is just at least 2x stronger than second res Ulquiorra, because at less than half power, he was manhandling Ulquiorra.

In other words, just like how True Bankai Ichigo is 100x off scaling from feats as opposed to a stated multiplier, Full Hollowfication is just 200x based off feats.

So if you really want to give it a number, you can say it's at least a 200x multipler. Unlike the standard Hollowfication multipler, this is not something I really want to state.
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Add another 10× because ichigo was just in bankai when going full hollow and full power hollow mask ichigo was just slightly stronger than base ulquiorra who was dogwalking him in res1
 
ItsMeat said:
Add another 10× because ichigo was just in bankai when going full hollow and full power hollow mask ichigo was just slightly stronger than base ulquiorra who was dogwalking him in res1
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Oh I was measuring 200x from Bankai Hollow Mask. If you're trying to measure from Bankai Ichigo, it would be 2000x and if you're doing to from Shikai Ichigo, it would be 4000x.
Edit: multiply all numbers by 10x because I forgot about Oscuras
 
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DragonZeroNova said:
In other words, just like how True Bankai Ichigo is 100x off scaling from feats as opposed to a stated multiplier, Full Hollowfication is just 200x based off feats.
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Since Yhwach implies that Ichigo's True Bankai was stronger than his True Hollow Form, I feel like you could argue they're both >200x.
 
is there a mistake with Fullbring Zampakuto Ichigo's values?
it goes from "4.2839 Zettatons, possibly 20.08 Terafoe" with Bankai
to "21.4196 Zettatons, possibly 100.4 TeraFoe" with Blut Arterie
to "4.2839 Zettatons, possibly 1.688 Exafoe" when enraged
to "21.4196 Zettatons, possibly 8.44 ExaFoe" with Blut Arterie
 
MochOath said:
is there a mistake with Fullbring Zampakuto Ichigo's values?
it goes from "4.2839 Zettatons, possibly 20.08 Terafoe" with Bankai
to "21.4196 Zettatons, possibly 100.4 TeraFoe" with Blut Arterie
to "4.2839 Zettatons, possibly 1.688 Exafoe" when enraged
to "21.4196 Zettatons, possibly 8.44 ExaFoe" with Blut Arterie
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No
 
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